Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

seventysevens said:

You pose supposition and call it fact - if it is then you should have no problem giving detail of what their names are - their occupations - what did they do to deserve extinction- if they still exist where are they
simply making an assumption based upon how you read a couple of verses of genealogy does not show evidence of anything 'cept how you choose to interpret scripture

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Agreed.

seventysevens said:

If that were true there would be as much of descriptive history on them as there is all the humans down from Adam and Eve
Scripture is clear
If you will take your time and find every bible scripture of what you speak - to demonstrate with as much clarity as scripture does with Adam and Eve .
You pose supposition and call it fact - if it is then you should have no problem giving detail of what their names are - their occupations - what did they do to deserve extinction- if they still exist where are they
simply making an assumption based upon how you read a couple of verses of genealogy does not show evidence of anything 'cept how you choose to interpret scripture

The first Adam was in the Garden of Eden
The second Adam is Jesus in the quickening spirit
In the first Adam came death
In the second Adam came life everlasting

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I have put this information together and you can find that details of my extensive study here. The end result is there are two creations.

https://www.amazon.com/Generations-...ywords=the+genrations+of+the+heaven+and+earth

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Well I will put it this way, and give your POV the benefit of the doubt. I will hold to my POV until and if the Holy Spirit reveals that my POV is wrong and yours is right. But for now, we can cordially agree to disagree.

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Agreed.

God reveals certain things to certain people at different times.

jhwatts said:

I have put this information together and you can find that details of my extensive study here. The end result is there are two creations.

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If you wrote the book then you can copy paste the parts of your book that proves what you say is true

a person can write a book about the alien beings from another planet but without evidence it just an opinion

That is not the way to promote a book - now if you actually provided verifiable facts and evidences it would make a difference
Since I don't believe what you have posted here is valid , i would not spend money to buy a book that the author was not willing to verify it has verifiable facts in it

seventysevens said:

If you wrote the book then you can copy paste the parts of your book that proves what you say is true

a person can write a book about the alien beings from another planet but without evidence it just an opinion

That is not the way to promote a book - now if you actually provided verifiable facts and evidences it would make a difference
Since I don't believe what you have posted here is valid , i would not spend money to buy a book that the author was not willing to verify it has verifiable facts in it

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I have posted a ton of scripture and text. Go back and review my post and you will see all of things I have put together. How do you think I was able to generate so much so quick? I have it all put together ahead of time. I assure you I am well armed with scripture.

Consider post 1236. Show me with multiple verses that generate a contradiction to what I have said.

I normally wouldn't have done that but I have learned that there are two types of people in this world those who are interested in learning and growing and those who are not. You fall into the not group and so I am done trying to convince you. You can go look for yourself.

jhwatts said:

You fall into the not group and so I am done trying to convince you.

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So he falls into the not group because he disagrees with your POV? Boy that is a bit of arrogance if I have ever seen it.

That is what I refer to - you make claims and when asked to show evidence , you want to sell a book - Before I buy any book I must first believe there is something in it that WILL inform me of Facts - opinions are everywhere as everyone has one
Many authors will either provide some facts that prove what they teach is fruitful , many go on TV shows to promote their book and share many very good facts as a way of enticing people to buy it - But when an author who writes a book refuses to do so IN simple straight forward manner then that is reason to say it is not worth my time if it is not worth the authors time

if you have a valid case - You would simply post the evidence of it in a single post simple as abc...123..

since you don't want to do that it indicates that it would be a waste of time to go back and gather your posts and try to assemble them in the manner in which you say is proof -
If you have proof of which you want to sell - then you can answer the simple questions here

jhwatts said:

I have posted a ton of scripture and text. Go back and review my post and you will see all of things I have put together. How do you think I was able to generate so much so quick? I have it all put together ahead of time. I assure you I am well armed with scripture.

Consider post 1236. Show me with multiple verses that generate a contradiction to what I have said.

I normally wouldn't have done that but I have learned that there are two types of people in this world those who are interested in learning and growing and those who are not. You fall into the not group and so I am done trying to convince you. You can go look for yourself.

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Is the Holy Spirit able to reveal to us which POV is the truth?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

So he falls into the not group because he disagrees with your POV? Boy that is a bit of arrogance if I have ever seen it.

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No. Mostly due to post 1239. I have already really answered all of these and my input is disregarded.

If that were true there would be as much of descriptive history on them as there is all the humans down from Adam and Eve

(For example. I have shown the distinctions between Genesis 4 and Genesis 5. I have shown that five five corresponds to Luke 3 three and is the line of Christ and the record to be kept. Also look at I Chronicles 1)

Scripture is clear

(I have shown this through multiple scriptures. The fact is he will never accept anything I have presented regardless of how well it is presented. He doesn't show me my error from a Biblical perspective he simply states his option rather than defend it with scripture.)

If you will take your time and find every bible scripture of what you speak - to demonstrate with as much clarity as scripture does with Adam and Eve .

(Again. Go back and review my post you will see many of these details. He will not do that because of his view. He sees no value in it. “the not group”)

You pose supposition and call it fact - if it is then you should have no problem giving detail of what their names are - their occupations - what did they do to deserve extinction- if they still exist where are they
simply making an assumption based upon how you read a couple of verses of genealogy does not show evidence of anything 'cept how you choose to interpret scripture

(This really is an argument presented in a light that cannot be answered directly however again the Genesis 4 line is not the lineage of Christ and hence dismissed. However we can take this further and show that the placement of the deep in Genesis 1:2, Psalms 104: (5-6), Psalms 18:15 removed the first creation. The difference in Noah's flood and Lucifer's flood Psalms 104:7 and Genesis 8:3. One was removed instantly while the other slowly. )

The first Adam was in the Garden of Eden (Yes this is true. You will notice no mention of Eden in the second creation Genesis 1.2 -2:3. It was not in Eden.)

The second Adam is Jesus in the quickening spirit

(Again. I show the scripture in post 12356 and the relationship between Genesis 1:2-2:3 and rather than refute my point Biblically I baisacly get I'm just right and your wrong. )

In the first Adam came death

(Yes. I have shown that.)

In the second Adam came life everlasting

(Again, here is his statement with no Biblical basis and yet I’m incorrect from his perspective.)

seventysevens said:

if you have a valid case - You would simply post the evidence of it in a single post simple as abc...123..

If you have proof of which you want to sell - then you can answer the simple questions here

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Sure here is my one example I have provided earlier.

Look at post 1200. I have present multiple scriptures in Genesis that show how both creations are kept separate on the ark and show how the creation that was cursed from the ground was the reasoning for the flood.

Go look. Quote the post and outline clearly the verses I have presented and show why this cannot be the case.

As a matter fact show me as many relationship between those verses that show the contrary of my view.

Please provide a reason with scripture not just your personal view.

jhwatts said:

In the second Adam came life everlasting

(Again, here is his statement with no Biblical basis and yet I’m incorrect from his perspective.)

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Are you saying by this statement that he is wrong?

jhwatts said:

No. Mostly due to post 1239. I have already really answered all of these and my input is disregarded.

If that were true there would be as much of descriptive history on them as there is all the humans down from Adam and Eve

(For example. I have shown the distinctions between Genesis 4 and Genesis 5. I have shown that five five corresponds to Luke 3 three and is the line of Christ and the record to be kept. Also look at I Chronicles 1)

Scripture is clear

(I have shown this through multiple scriptures. The fact is he will never accept anything I have presented regardless of how well it is presented. He doesn't show me my error from a Biblical perspective he simply states his option rather than defend it with scripture.)

If you will take your time and find every bible scripture of what you speak - to demonstrate with as much clarity as scripture does with Adam and Eve .

(Again. Go back and review my post you will see many of these details. He will not do that because of his view. He sees no value in it. “the not group”)

You pose supposition and call it fact - if it is then you should have no problem giving detail of what their names are - their occupations - what did they do to deserve extinction- if they still exist where are they
simply making an assumption based upon how you read a couple of verses of genealogy does not show evidence of anything 'cept how you choose to interpret scripture

(This really is an argument presented in a light that cannot be answered directly however again the Genesis 4 line is not the lineage of Christ and hence dismissed. However we can take this further and show that the placement of the deep in Genesis 1:2, Psalms 104: (5-6), Psalms 18:15 removed the first creation. The difference in Noah's flood and Lucifer's flood Psalms 104:7 and Genesis 8:3. One was removed instantly while the other slowly. )

The first Adam was in the Garden of Eden (Yes this is true. You will notice no mention of Eden in the second creation Genesis 1.2 -2:3. It was not in Eden.)

The second Adam is Jesus in the quickening spirit

(Again. I show the scripture in post 12356 and the relationship between Genesis 1:2-2:3 and rather than refute my point Biblically I baisacly get I'm just right and your wrong. )

In the first Adam came death

(Yes. I have shown that.)

In the second Adam came life everlasting

(Again, here is his statement with no Biblical basis and yet I’m incorrect from his perspective.)

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This proves my point !
You took the time to put together this response But yet did not address what is asked! You just say that you have already
Your book would not be worth buying if all you can do is make ridiculous assumptions
An author of true validity would simply answered what was asked -
Giving a meaningful response in a simple 123...abc here it is would have worked
but you choose not to do that which confirms any suspicions that your so called proof is not worthy of posting!

seventysevens said:

This proves my point !
You took the time to put together this response But yet did not address what is asked! You just say that you have already
Your book would not be worth buying if all you can do is make ridiculous assumptions
An author of true validity would simply answered what was asked -
Giving a meaningful response in a simple 123...abc here it is would have worked
but you choose not to do that which confirms any suspicions that your so called proof is not worthy of posting!

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This proves my point. Regardless of what I present you will not examine it and provide issue with it. Again, "the not group"

jhwatts said:

This proves my point. Regardless of what I present you will not examine it and provide issue with it. Again, "the not group"

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I think he examined it and disagreed with it. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. And you can't say a person does not want to learn because they disagree with your pov.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Are you saying by this statement that he is wrong?

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Yes. I am say the second Adam is not Christ the Adam described in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. See post 1236.

He is saying he is but does support his view with scripture.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

I think he examined it and disagreed with it. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. And you can't say a person does not want to learn because they disagree with your pov.

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I don't think it is wrong either but he disagrees without a Biblical basis and yet I am supposed to accept that I am in the wrong and his personal opinion supersedes reasonable Biblical support.

OK, I looked back to try to understand what you ar

jhwatts said:

See below. Notice verse 47. The first Adam is of the dust of the earth and the second is made "after His kind".

I Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

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jhwatts said:

Yes. I am say the second Adam is not Christ the Adam described in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. See post 1236.

He is saying he is but does support his view with scripture.

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So you say the second man is not Christ, but the scripture says the second man is the Lord from Heaven . Are you arguing that that there is another Lord from Heaven other than Christ? That is what it seems you are arguing to me.

jhwatts said:

Yes. I am say the second Adam is not Christ the Adam described in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. See post 1236.

He is saying he is but does support his view with scripture.

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You have an opinion ,
The best way is an an example - lets say that someone does not believe that Jesus rose again from the dead
All that is needed is to post the exact scriptures that proves Jesus rose from the grave - Not just elude to saying to read the 4 gospels and find it .

You need to prove a case , not merely say you have one
an example some people insist that unless you are physically dunk in a tank of water you are not saved - they pick scriptures that they believe supports their view while intentionally avoiding and disregarding the scriptures that teach that calling on the name of Jesus shall be saved

Just merely giving your opinion that in your understanding of how you choose to interpret scripture does not make it a fact

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Well I will put it this way, and give your POV the benefit of the doubt. I will hold to my POV until and if the Holy Spirit reveals that my POV is wrong and yours is right. But for now, we can cordially agree to disagree.

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I agree completely and fully appreciate your perspective.

Thank you.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

OK, I looked back to try to understand what you ar

So you say the second man is not Christ, but the scripture says the second man is the Lord from Heaven . Are you arguing that that there is another Lord from Heaven other than Christ? That is what it seems you are arguing to me.

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I am saying the first Adam is the Adam of Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26 and the second Adam is the Adam of Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 and corresponds to the genealogy of Genesis 5.

The first Adam is made from the dust of the earth while the second is made after "His kind".

One is made from the things of the earth while the second is made from heavenly things. I dont believe there is a second Christ.