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I am of the opinion that God will guide us and not forsake us and his infinite wisdom is way more than enough to guide us into all truth.

also, this is a problem for each soul, not merely groups of souls because we are all a personal subjective medium and that is why it is very important to be pure and cling to God as much as we can.
 
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Here is my supposition: if the NIV contains spiritual poison and is also devoid of spiritual nutrition, and the KJV has the nutrition we need, and the NIV and other translations are slowly replacing the KJV, then there is a famine coming concerning real nutrition. Now the Bible says to speak the same things, so I will agree with @yeshuaslavejeff and say that the KJV will probably never go out of print (although I don't know that there is any biblical guarantee of this, except for 1 Peter 1:25). And therefore the real word of God will alwys be available, as he said, to those who are willing to receive it as the inspired and inerrant word of God. continued from #309. re #308.
 
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Okay, now I ascertain that you've been grudging since post #216 on page 11, but your stinky attitude precedes that post by me so I'm thinking it also might be something else. to @yeshuaslavejeff.
 
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The original translators of the 1611 KJV were honest and bluntly stated that their translation into English WAS NOT inspired by God and NOT without error. That's in the introduction if you want to read it. Were the original translators lying about this? If so, why? I know that the KJV only folks want them to be lying, but the truth is easy: The Holy Bible wasn't written in English, so the KJV is JUST an English translation of the Holy Bible. In other words: The KJV is NOT inspired, and it has errors.
 
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@nChrist, my contention with your pov is that someone might have to be a scholar of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in order to be capable of getting God's unadulterated message of salvation! And I think the answer to your question is they were trying to be humble.
 
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. . . and the NIV and other translations are slowly replacing the KJV, . . . .
Where have you been, both the NASB and certainly the NIV replaced the old KJV about 30 years back. I am sort of surprised that anyone is still using the old relic of the very dated and tired KJV; or to be precise, being the Revised KJV (1769) as probably no one uses the edition of 1611..
 
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Fortunately for you, you can be edified through your spiritual gift. That goes for me too, but I also like to be edified in my understanding. Also, Australia may be different from the United States. They still sell the Old King Jimmy here! (probably not for very much longer, which is why I treasure my Bible).
 
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In my earlier years I succumbed to the fallacy of blindly following a given particular translation, though mine was never with the archaic KJV (1769), or I suppose, to be more precise, with the Blaney edition that was released by Oxford over that of the Paris edition that was released by Cambridge University (1762). Sometime around 1987 I was given an NIV to replace my NASB which I took on as the NIV had by this time become the major English translation, so I simply moved with the majority.

In those years the KJVO debate was alive and well, where now it is more the domain of those who are less competent with the complexities of Bible translation, or where most KJVO types are simply happy to adhere to tradition and even strange teachings [Edit: Sorry, that was a bit tough]. I did find myself essentially ignoring the problems with the NIV, which is the same foolishness that the KJVO activist commits on a daily basis; so it can be surprisingly easy even for those who adhere to a more reliable translation to commit the same errors and fallacies as does the poor hapless KJVO advocate.

Whenever we blindly push the merits of a single translation over that of the rest, where we ignore the translation peculiarities of whatever translation we might be supporting, then this tends to indicate both a lack of judgment and maturity; and more importantly, it also indicates that the individual might be trying to disguise their own lack of confidence and faith in God’s Word.

No matter if we use versions such as the NIV, NASB, NRSV, ESV or Holman, if we blindly view our version of choice as being better than the rest, or worse, that it is essentially free from error and translational peculiarities, then we are indeed in trouble.

For me, even though I prefer the NASB (1995) over that of either the NIV (1984) or (2011), but as the NIV has a wealth of technical support behind it, such as with a wide range of lexical support and that the vast majority of commentaries are based on the NIV, then this probably makes it a better choice for study, though the NASB is in my opinion far more accurate but unfortunately, as many have said, its wooden style of language does not make it all that friendly for public reading, but it is certainly great for study.
 
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Fortunately for you, you can be edified through your spiritual gift. That goes for me too, but I also like to be edified in my understanding. Also, Australia may be different from the United States. They still sell the Old King Jimmy here! (probably not for very much longer, which is why I treasure my Bible).
Back in the 1980's & 90's I used to observe the sale of Bibles through a couple of Christian Bookshops, but by the mid 90's I stopped doing this as the NIV had seemingly captured the market, though the KJV (1769) is still being sold and I would love to know what type of person still uses the KJV, maybe I should ask the Bookshop that I attend about this the next time that I pop in.

Even though the NIV has its translational peculiarities (incl. blunders and silly translational choices), where the Revised NIV has gone down the horrid pathway of being gender inclusive, it still outshines that of the KJV.
 
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It has been mentioned by myself and others that the message of salvation is maintained in a multitude of translations. God does not make it so difficult to find the truth of his word. You have been asked to show how salvation is only found in the KJV. You don't respond.




But you continue to assert salvation depends on a particular translation.

Hi, I never said that..most translations have the gospel in them. Many of them though are not very accurate and the meaning of many verses is changed or skewed.
 
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post 253 >>
"justbyfaith said:
The scripture states prophetically that there will come a famine of the true words of God..."
"yeshuaslavejeff said:

King James Bible
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:"

COMPARE:
A FAMINE OF THE TRUE WORDS OF GOD
VS
A FAMINE... OF HEARING THE WORDS OF THE LORD (GOD)

Huge difference (no matter what translation is used, this is the same here) .

Oh, and notice also:
"there will come"
VS
"I (God) will send"

another huge difference." (potentially)

You know, its really funny that people still, to this day, pull scripture out of context, and try to use it to justify their own viewpoint.

In seminary, when preparing to preach or teach, when the Holy Spirit leads you to the passage of His choosing, we were taught that it was absolutely critical to read 3 chapters. The chapter before, the chapter, and the chapter after.

In the quote from Amos 8, we have:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:" -Amos 8:11 (KJV)

I say its funny because I consult as many "versions" as I can when I preach. I was also taught in seminary to consult commentaries.

With that in mind, we have:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God

Which Kimchi interprets of all the days of the second house or temple after Malachi, when prophecy ceased; but it rather has respect to the time of Shalmaneser's carrying captive the ten tribes, when they had no more prophets nor prophecy among them, or any to tell how long their captivity should last, or when it would be better times with them, ( Psalms 74:9 ) ;

that I will send a famine in the land;

which, in a literal sense, is one of God's arrows he has in his quiver, and sends out when he pleases; or one of his sore judgments, which he sometimes orders to come upon a people for their sins: but here is meant,

not a famine of bread;

or through want of that, which is very dreadful; as was the famine of Samaria, when an ass's head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and a certain measure of dove's dung for five pieces of silver, ( 2 Kings 6:25 ) ; and as were the famines of Jerusalem, when taken both by the Chaldeans and Romans, when delicate women boiled and ate their own children, ( Lamentations 4:8-10 ) ;

nor a thirst for water;

which is more distressing and tormenting than hunger; and to be slain with thirst is to be destroyed in the most afflictive manner, ( Hosea 2:3 ) . Lysimachus is said to part with his kingdom for a draught of water; and the torments of hell are set forth by a violent thirst for it, ( Luke 16:24 ) ; but something worse than either of these is here threatened:

but of hearing the words of the Lord;

the word of prophecy, and the preaching of the word, or explaining the Scriptures. Of this blessing the ten tribes were deprived at their captivity, and have been ever since; and the Jews, upon their rejection of Christ, have had the kingdom of God, the Gospel of the kingdom, the word and ordinances of God, taken from them, and remain so to this day; the seven churches of Asia have had their candlestick removed out of its place, and this famine continues in those parts to this time; and, by the symptoms upon us, we may justly fear it, will be our case before long. "The words of the Lord" are the Scriptures, which cone from him, and are concerning him; the doctrines of grace contained in them, the wholesome words of Christ: hearing them signifies the preaching of them, ( Isaiah 53:1 ) ( Galatians 3:2 ) ; by which hearing comes, and is a great blessing, and should be attended to, as being the means of conversion, regenerations, the knowledge of Christ, faith in him, and the joy of it. Now, to be deprived of hearing the Gospel is a spiritual famine, for that is food, bread, meat, milk, honey, yea, a feast; it is food that is savoury, wholesome, nourishing, satisfying, strengthening, and comforting; and when this is took away a famine ensues, as when a church state is dissolved, ministers are ordered to preach no more in such a place, or are scattered by persecution, or removed by death, and none raised up in their stead; or when error prevails, to the suppressing of truth: all which is done, or suffered to be done, for indifference to the word of God, unfruitfulness under it, and contempt of it, and, opposition to it; which is a dreadful case, when such a famine is; for the glory, riches, and light of a nation, are gone; bread for their souls is no more; and the means of conversion, knowledge, comfort cease; and people in course must die, for lack of these things; see ( Isaiah 3:1 ) ( Hosea 4:6 ) ."

John Gill, Exposition of the Whole Bible, Amos 8:11

I believe Joseph Prince said it best when he said:

"If you take text out of "context", all your left with is "con".

When and where was Amos when he said this?

Amos and Hosea were two that were not carried away into the Babylonian Captivity. So Amos was in Judah when He said this.

This also just happened a little over 400 years before Christ.

By the time of Christ, we see everything Amos said was being fulfilled.

The people were starving for the word, and God raised John the Baptist to prepare the way for the real Word.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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@nChrist, my contention with your pov is that someone might have to be a scholar of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in order to be capable of getting God's unadulterated message of salvation! And I think the answer to your question is they were trying to be humble.

Your contention is incorrect. The ESV, NASB, ISV, and other good English Translations share the salvation message quite well. All the KJV only argument makes me think about is abandoning the KJV entirely. I don't want to be associated with KJV onlyists.
 
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Your contention is incorrect. The ESV, NASB, ISV, and other good English Translations share the salvation message quite well. All the KJV only argument makes me think about is abandoning the KJV entirely. I don't want to be associated with KJV onlyists.
You don't want to be persecuted for righteousness' sake? then the blessing for that will not be yours.
 
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You know, its really funny that people still, to this day, pull scripture out of context, and try to use it to justify their own viewpoint.

In seminary, when preparing to preach or teach, when the Holy Spirit leads you to the passage of His choosing, we were taught that it was absolutely critical to read 3 chapters. The chapter before, the chapter, and the chapter after.

In the quote from Amos 8, we have:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:" -Amos 8:11 (KJV)

I say its funny because I consult as many "versions" as I can when I preach. I was also taught in seminary to consult commentaries.

With that in mind, we have:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God

Which Kimchi interprets of all the days of the second house or temple after Malachi, when prophecy ceased; but it rather has respect to the time of Shalmaneser's carrying captive the ten tribes, when they had no more prophets nor prophecy among them, or any to tell how long their captivity should last, or when it would be better times with them, ( Psalms 74:9 ) ;

that I will send a famine in the land;

which, in a literal sense, is one of God's arrows he has in his quiver, and sends out when he pleases; or one of his sore judgments, which he sometimes orders to come upon a people for their sins: but here is meant,

not a famine of bread;

or through want of that, which is very dreadful; as was the famine of Samaria, when an ass's head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and a certain measure of dove's dung for five pieces of silver, ( 2 Kings 6:25 ) ; and as were the famines of Jerusalem, when taken both by the Chaldeans and Romans, when delicate women boiled and ate their own children, ( Lamentations 4:8-10 ) ;

nor a thirst for water;

which is more distressing and tormenting than hunger; and to be slain with thirst is to be destroyed in the most afflictive manner, ( Hosea 2:3 ) . Lysimachus is said to part with his kingdom for a draught of water; and the torments of hell are set forth by a violent thirst for it, ( Luke 16:24 ) ; but something worse than either of these is here threatened:

but of hearing the words of the Lord;

the word of prophecy, and the preaching of the word, or explaining the Scriptures. Of this blessing the ten tribes were deprived at their captivity, and have been ever since; and the Jews, upon their rejection of Christ, have had the kingdom of God, the Gospel of the kingdom, the word and ordinances of God, taken from them, and remain so to this day; the seven churches of Asia have had their candlestick removed out of its place, and this famine continues in those parts to this time; and, by the symptoms upon us, we may justly fear it, will be our case before long. "The words of the Lord" are the Scriptures, which cone from him, and are concerning him; the doctrines of grace contained in them, the wholesome words of Christ: hearing them signifies the preaching of them, ( Isaiah 53:1 ) ( Galatians 3:2 ) ; by which hearing comes, and is a great blessing, and should be attended to, as being the means of conversion, regenerations, the knowledge of Christ, faith in him, and the joy of it. Now, to be deprived of hearing the Gospel is a spiritual famine, for that is food, bread, meat, milk, honey, yea, a feast; it is food that is savoury, wholesome, nourishing, satisfying, strengthening, and comforting; and when this is took away a famine ensues, as when a church state is dissolved, ministers are ordered to preach no more in such a place, or are scattered by persecution, or removed by death, and none raised up in their stead; or when error prevails, to the suppressing of truth: all which is done, or suffered to be done, for indifference to the word of God, unfruitfulness under it, and contempt of it, and, opposition to it; which is a dreadful case, when such a famine is; for the glory, riches, and light of a nation, are gone; bread for their souls is no more; and the means of conversion, knowledge, comfort cease; and people in course must die, for lack of these things; see ( Isaiah 3:1 ) ( Hosea 4:6 ) ."

John Gill, Exposition of the Whole Bible, Amos 8:11

I believe Joseph Prince said it best when he said:

"If you take text out of "context", all your left with is "con".

When and where was Amos when he said this?

Amos and Hosea were two that were not carried away into the Babylonian Captivity. So Amos was in Judah when He said this.

This also just happened a little over 400 years before Christ.

By the time of Christ, we see everything Amos said was being fulfilled.

The people were starving for the word, and God raised John the Baptist to prepare the way for the real Word.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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There is in scriptural interpretation (hermeneutics) concerning prophecy, the view that when something is prophesied there may be more than one fulfillment. As when we look into the distance and see two mountains, one behind the other and also taller, but we perceive it as one mountain and are completely unaware of the valley of time between them.
 
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