Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Why would our Father save corrupt DNA if He wanted tp preserve the line for the Messiah? Noah's son's wives had to be all human to preserve the seed of the woman. It is interesting to me how the Bible does not really discuss the women.

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They were not all that well-thought out in their teachings.

jhwatts said:

More food for thought, If Cain was banished from the face of the earth (Genesis 4:14) and to a place that he perceived he could have hid his face from God. He left the face of the earth, he either went into space or in the earth. Could it be that those in the nether parts of earth are the ones he was afraid of. The children of men. (Ezekiel 31:14)

Notice in Genesis 1 that mans dominion is restricted to "upon the earth". Man has no business below the surface.

Very curious.

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First, welcome to the discussion. .There are many mysteries about the creation that is not easily explained. It is very interesting that the word emphasizes the children of men as if that fact has to be established. Could there be children of not men? That is something to tickle our noodles. I know that many people put forth a hollow Earth theory and a race of beings living there, but I have no opinion on that, other that to say it is interesting.

jhwatts said:

More food for thought, If Cain was banished from the face of the earth (Genesis 4:14) and to a place that he perceived he could have hid his face from God. He left the face of the earth, he either went into space or in the earth. Could it be that those in the nether parts of earth of Eden are the ones he was afraid of. The children of men. (Ezekiel 31:14)

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Interesting post - in Mark 5 it was the demons that were afraid to be cast into the pit where the other demos are held - imagine being a human that has been cast into the pit and live face to face with all those evil creatures that never knew life as a human person but only as some hybrid creature - ever read the book of Dante's Hell where he tells a vivid vision of what hell is like ? I've wondered if he really had a vision from God about this - I know I will not know until I meet Jesus in His Kingdom

A hollow place in the earth is Biblical. We know that the "Son of Man" himself went there Mathew 12:40.

If one looks at Revelation 9 and we see the top taken of the pit we see some of creature mentioned that was formed at this time during the creation of the earth. If we look at Isiah 14: (12-15) we see Lucifer was sent there. We can see what he is called a Isiah 14:25. He is known as a Assyrian and when we look at Ezekiel 31:3 he is termed an Assyrian again. What is fascinating is when looking at Revelation 9 and see the creatures that are in the pit are part of the Assyrian pantheon. File:ScorpionMen.png - Wikipedia Revelation 9: (7-10) and Revelation 9:17
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Lammasu.jpg/450px-Lammasu.jpg. This to me really puts a lot into perspective in terms of putting a face with things.

Very interesting indeed.

Dave-W said:

They were not all that well-thought out in their teachings.

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They may be gone on, but their influence could possibly remain in their survivors.That is why it is important to be good Bereans.

seventysevens said:

Fallen angels are not demons - but devils are

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Correct! The word DEMON is not found in the KJV of the Bible.

Demon is a word that MAN has added and you has accepted.

Fallen angels are devils.

Major1 said:

Correct! The word DEMON is not found in the KJV of the Bible.

Demon is a word that MAN has added and you has accepted.

Fallen angels are devils.

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fallen angels have bodies of their own - devils do not - a being with it's own body cannot inhabit another being - can you literally inhabit someone elses body ?
funny how you say demon is something that man has added -
Where on earth is it shown that ONLY the KJV is the ONLY authority of scripture ?
Nowhere it is only what you Prefer - that is like saying that KFC is the only valid chicken good for consumption

seventysevens said:

So why are you not able to overcome this simple fact !

So in part 3 he sums it up speaking of sons of God in reference to humans - which is totally an entirely different topic all together

question for you - if you have a Ford pickup truck and you take it to a tire shop for a new tire and the shop brings you out a tire for a tractor truck tire which is obviously not going to fit because it is entirely different truck - would you just accept it and ask for the shop to install it on your pickup truck simply based on the fact that it is a truck tire ?
imagine what you would might say(or at least think) if you sent someone to the tire shop to buy a tire for your pickup truck and they bring home to you a tractor truck tire that is more than twice the size of what could fit your truck that is how well this video fits the scripture of Job 38 , Gen 6 , Job 1 , and Jude

Job 38 makes it abundantly clear that the sons of God cannot possibly be humans in the context

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:


2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

God is asking Job : where was Job when God created the earth and the " sons of God shouted for joy"

When the earth was created the sons of God shouted for joy is evidence that only angels were present when God created the earth not human men

“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.


4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

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I believe that you are correct. The "Sons of God' in Job 1 and 38 have to be angels.

LOCATION is the CONTEXTUAL proof. NAN is not in heaven where God is. ANgels were and the angels cam to God in heaven to report.

Now where in those verses do we find they are in your words (Demons).

Now there are many, and YOU who identify the “sons of God” in this text as angels, and teach that these angels took human wives and bore children by them, and that those half-angel/half-human hybrid children became the giants spoken of in verse 4.
But the Bible forbids that interpretation. First of all, Jesus made it clear that Angels do not marry so what you are saying is a concoction of your own thinking.

Mark 12:25
"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

That statement in itself should have been enough to squash any idea that the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 are referring to angels. Jesus made it clear, angels do not marry, and if not among their own kind, then especially not with fallen humans. This is a case where people are following along with what some supposed authority said once upon a time without ever really thinking the matter through.

Aside from the statement from Jesus in Mark 12:25, think of what would be required for angels to have children of human mothers. First of all angels are spiritual beings. Humans on the other hand are creatures of flesh, made of the dust of the earth. True angles can at times take on the form of humans, but they are still spiritual, not physical beings. To mate with humans they would have to have a cellular biology, with chromosomes and genes.

Now what YOU are proposing would come closer to the movies "The Thing From Another World" that humans science and biology and Scriptural truth.

And not just any set of chromosomes and genes, but human compatible chromosomes with human compatible genes. But cells, and chromosomes and genes are material substances, made of the dust of the earth, and thus presumably not part of the make-up of spiritual beings.
First Light: Who are the "sons of God" in Job 38:7

Postvieww said:

Brother I believe by now you understand exactly what I believe about Genesis 6, Jude 6, 2 Peter and Job.

I don’t understand the word games unless it is just to avoid answering a point head on.

I showed clearly how scripture does not interchange the terms in the way you do but that is ignored.

Jesus NEVER said HE cast out an angel. Only evil, unclean and foul spirits and devils. Like you tell me believe what you like but you cannot show anyone here from scripture an angel is what Jesus cast out.

I have no problem with you not using “demon” but the “trinity” is not in there either nor is the phrase “fallen angel” but we all know what they are.

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Wonderful.........then we can use the word, DEVIL.

2nd Peter 2:4.......
“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

The Bible teaches in 2nd Peter 2:4 that God did not tolerate rebellion amongst the angels and cast them down to Hell.

We read in Matthew 8:28-29 that not all the demons were confined to Hell, but dwell upon the earth. God bound some of the worst angels into Hell right away; but banned the others to the earth with Lucifer...

Matthew 8:28-29.....
“And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”

So some demons are bound in chains in Hell (Tartarus), reserved for judgment; and yet there are others still free to do evil upon the earth and afflict men's lives. We call them “fallen” angels, but actually they chose to rebel and then they were cast out of Heaven down to the earth. So they didn't fall in that sense. We call them “fallen” because of their fallen moral character.

The point YOU are missing about the WORD DEMON and its logical conclusion is that God didn't create any demons (God created the angels and then some rebelled and sin turned them evil into demons).

God never creates anything void, bad or worthless. Sin ruins angels and people. All these geneticists today trying to improve on God's creation are frightening. God made everything the way He did for a reason and purpose.Fallen Angels Prove Old Earth

Postvieww said:

1. 20 seconds in and he make a false statement. Luke 3 does not claim the entire linage was “sons of Gods” Luke 3:38 Adam is the only one called a son of God! He twist the scripture to his own purpose saying if Adam was called a son of God then all of his descendants were sons of God. No they were still sons of Adam.

2. Will someone please tell this guy that David is from the line of Seth (Luke 3:33) whom (David) he ties to the men of renown from the daughters of men whom he claims are the line of Cain. Huh????????

He said “ David was famous, he was a man of renown”.

My advice is to check everything this guy says very carefully. He uses a lot of scripture but it doesn’t always go together quiet the way he claims. That is my opinion which I am trying to support here. Rebuttals welcome.

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God bless your sweet and dedicated to a cause heart.

Once again you have not given the total and correct answer In Luke 3:38.

Both of these things are true of Adam:

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . . " God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. -Genesis 1:26-27
How is Adam "son of God" in Luke 3:38?

...and so, Adam was the "son of God".

This answer is further supported by Genesis 5:1-3, "This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth"

seventysevens said:

You are so desperate that you don't pay attention !
That pic that you found on some website - I did not say how tall it was
all I did was post a pic - I didn't know how tall it was - But YOU desperate as you are
will believe anything if you think you can win
I have posted much prove that you will not accept of even acknowledge cause you know it's true

Truly there is overwhelming amount of documentation - you exclaimed the Smithsonian Institute did not have any - but they were sued over it and then admitted to destroyibg them
You should do REAL research , fact checking the fact checkers has shown they publish fake reports

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So then by YOUR logic, if you post a picture supporting what YOU believe, that DOES NOT MEAN YOU AGREE WITH IT.

I am LOL! !!!!!

Talk about "desperate". That is just plain stupid IMO.

Then to say that the "Fact Check" web sites are fake just to make YOUR opinion look correct is beyond the pail of reasoning.

The fact is that YOU have posted NOTHING whatsoever to prove anything.

You have in fact made personal attacks toward me and others.

You have posted incorrect and outright lies from FAKE NEWS sources.

Now IMO only, YOU personally have done more to harm the cause you are defending than you have done to help it by your actions and attitude. But that is just me.

Is there anything that you will not say or do to support your own opinions?

Again your pride is roaring up in your face , I posted newspaper articles that are published from a very powerful news source the New York Times - if what was published by them you want to call fake news - call them and cry to them about it ./

You said that the Smithsonian did not have any skeletons of any giants - I proved you wrong on that also.
I have proven you wrong several times but you just don't have what it takes as a man to admit it when you are wrong and that is your fault not mine .

You have shown that no matter what proof is given you-you call it fake when it proves you wrong
You refuse to acknowledge scripture facts
You refuse to acknowledge any other bible translation other than kjv and that is your fault when you don't understand scripture
You refuse even the Hebrew when it proves you wrong
You make personal attacks against me just as in this post
You said that there is no evidence of any science research of humans and animals bred as hybrids - I posted several proofs proving you wrong yet Again ! that there is much of that research taking place
You pick out one single pic that I did not include text for it and you say that I post fake news but yet you fail to prove what fake news I posted and what website I posted it from - because you falsify about it
Of all the pics and VERIFIED news articles I posted you deliberately seek to find flaw and even make it up when it suits your fancy
You did not even acknowledge what is proven true because you cannot handle being proved wrong !

Major1 said:

So then by YOUR logic, if you post a picture supporting what YOU believe, that DOES NOT MEAN YOU AGREE WITH IT.

I am LOL! !!!!!

Talk about "desperate". That is just plain stupid IMO.

Then to say that the "Fact Check" web sites are fake just to make YOUR opinion look correct is beyond the pail of reasoning.

The fact is that YOU have posted NOTHING whatsoever to prove anything.

You have in fact made personal attacks toward me and others.

You have posted incorrect and outright lies from FAKE NEWS sources.

Now IMO only, YOU personally have done more to harm the cause you are defending than you have done to help it by your actions and attitude. But that is just me.

Is there anything that you will not say or do to support your own opinions?

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Major1 said:

Now there are many, and YOU who identify the “sons of God” in this text as angels, and teach that these angels took human wives and bore children by them, and that those half-angel/half-human hybrid children became the giants spoken of in verse 4.
But the Bible forbids that interpretation. First of all, Jesus made it clear that Angels do not marry so what you are saying is a concoction of your own thinking.

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Consider that even though satan committed sin in heaven in his pride - he then convinced fellow angels to follow with him and satan and those who follow him leave their First home of heaven .

Satan still has access to the 3rd heaven throne room to accuse sinners before Gods throne - the angels that chose to leave heaven with satan don't have access to go back to heaven they are permanently banned -
only satan can still go back to the throne in the 3rd heaven even though he committed the sin in heaven -
angels that left their first home having all their strength and power find them selves on earth no longer having any purpose in serving God see this earth and the women on the earth and say(to themselves) I am taking these women for my own purpose -
Scripture does not say they married it says only in your preferred view that TOOK wives AKA they TOOK women for their own purpose
Of course angels in heaven do not marry as there are no female angels in heaven to marry
Fornication is sin - male with male sex is sin - male with male marriage is sin
It is most obvious why Jesus would say angels in heaven do not marry

As well as marriage for humans is only for procreation to populate the earth and when people marry God says let no man separate them as the two have become as one

Your preferred view is blinding you in multiple ways
Getting back to fallen angels - the example as shown you in Mark 5 where the demons were afraid of being cast into the abyss so they asked Jesus to cast them into the horde of pigs that were there - because they knew once they are locked into the abyss they will not get out and be free to roam

The demons/devils are not a creation of God as you acknowledged that God does not create evil or bad
demons/devils are the result of the fallen angels taking women - and the result is a mix of the fallen angel and human biology that corrupted the true genetics of the image of God - and that is the sin what the angels did that got them cast into the pit and permanently banned to ever enter heaven again - satan did not commit that sin and so he is free to roam
Pay attention to the Hebrew and find marriage in it find another source where the unadulterated translation show their was a wedding or marriage bows

The fallen angels came into the daughters of men and bore children

the result was a superhuman type of being - super strong
even in the animal kingdom such as lions and bears that have a viscous killer manner - when they are raised by humans that provide them food shelter loving attention - these wild beasts become tame and return the loving affection their owners gave them

Major1 said:

First of all angels are spiritual beings. Humans on the other hand are creatures of flesh, made of the dust of the earth. True angles can at times take on the form of humans, but they are still spiritual, not physical beings. To mate with humans they would have to have a cellular biology, with chromosomes and genes.

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Obviously you cannot prove that statement true as only a fragment of it is true
You and I are spiritual beings with a physical body - when your body dies your spirit will either go to be in the presence of the Lord - or it will go to that 'other place' but your spirit will separate from the body at death and when resurrected it will receive body that will never die , angels are not mortal humans so their body is made of different materiel
but that does not mean they don't have a physical body with a compatible genetic structure - when Jesus rose from the dead he has a physical body that is made of a different material and we don't know what it is but it has the ability to drink water and eat food - something biological happens to that food when eaten . Jesus resurrected body is example of what body we will have in the future .
All you have shown is your unwillingness to see -

Major1 said:

We call them “fallen” angels, but actually they chose to rebel and then they were cast out of Heaven down to the earth. So they didn't fall in that sense. We call them “fallen” because of their fallen moral character.

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They are called "fallen" because that is what the Hebrew scriptures calls them
Nephilim in the Hebrew is Fallen ones ---> נפל


--- Hebrew for fallen or fell נפל
suffix 'im' means plural the both together means fallen ones -Nephilim

נְפִילִים Nephilim

Dave-W said:

The church I grew up in believed Cain married an ape or monkey.

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Can you see that there is no interdiction to eat of any tree for the nomads people that God created MALE AND FEMALE on the 6th day Genesis 1:26-29... Compare with the interdiction that Adam and Eve had in THE GARDEN .... Genesis 2 is Not the same account ... The Garden of Eden and everything in it including Adam and the beast of the FIELD [ FARM ANIMALS]]have been created by God AFTER the 7 TH Day of Rest for a special test ...The test of Genesis 3 ----ẁich Adam and Eve failed !

Genesis 1
27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food: 30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, [I have given] every green herb for food: and it was so.

Satan did not fall from heaven. He ascended to heaven from earth and was cast down.

Isiah 14: (12-15) 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! * 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

We do not see the angles kicked out of heaven until Revelation 12.

Revelation 12: (7-9) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Riberra said:

Can you see that there is no interdiction to eat of any tree for the nomads people that God created MALE AND FEMALE on the 6th day... Compare with the interdiction that Adam and Eve had in THE GARDEN .... Genesis 2 is Not the same account ...
Genesis 1

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Why do you keep pushing this obvious lie? Our Father did NOT create any other man except Adam. God created Adam from the dust of the Earth. Every other person came from Adam. Eve even came from Adam. Our Father went to the dirt once for the creation of humanity.So you need to stop pushing this idea that Our Father went back and created other(nomads) than Adam on the 6th day. I call that heresy of the highest order.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Why do you keep pushing this obvious lie? Our Father did NOT create any other man except Adam. God created Adam from the dust of the Earth. Every other person came from Adam. Eve even came from Adam.

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Read what is written Genesis 1:27...on the 6 th day God created the human race male and female he created THEM ----after the animal kingdom ----the animals were also created MALE and FEMALE.
Genesis 1
27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.