Revelation 12:6, Who Is The Woman In The Wilderness?

phydaux said:

BABerean, my question was directed at Truth7t7. He's the only one that seems to be interested in having a conversation.

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I understand why you would not want to discuss a short video that completely destroys the Pretrib doctrine...

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Truth7t7 said:

Does the scripture below represent your belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" of the Church to heaven?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Yes.

Revealing Times my issue is your use of the word "church" when referring to the remnant. You say in your post that the Bride has been raptured. If the church is the Bride of Christ, and we know that it is, then this remnant of believing Jews must be part of another group.

Revealing Times said:

Even when its explained IN THE TEXT you guys somehow miss the plain meanings of the verses, I don't get it to be honest. The Woman and the REMNANT CHURCH are clearly shown as different entities, one is protected and the other is not. Now if one is protected and the other is not how can they be the same entity? LIGHT-SWITCH ON

Rev. 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. { Anti-Christ sends his Army after Israel, the Jews FLEE JUDEA like Jesus warned them because they have REPENTED else they would not heed his voice would they? They are protected for 1260 Days in the Wilderness.}

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. { Just like in Egypt where the Red Sea parted and a Wall of Fire protected Israel, the Earth will help them and keep the Anti-Christ from getting at the Woman (Israel) and they will reside in Petra most people think which is a fortification of sorts also. This ANGERS the Dragon who then sends forth the Anti-Christ after the REMNANT of HER SEED which is of Course Jesus Christ if you read Galatians chapter 3 its plain as day. }

17 And the dragon was wroth{ANGRY} with the woman (Israel), and went (STOPPED GOING AFTER THE WOMAN) to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. { So its very clear here, the Anti-Christ is VERY ANGRY that he can not get at the Jews, (the WOMAN = Israel per Genesis 37:9) and so he THEN GOES AFTER THE Remnant of HER SEED which is the Church of Jesus Christ that is now ON EARTH, whereas the Bride has been Raptured to Heaven, thereby everyone that comes unto Christ after the Rapture will be a part of the REMNANT CHURCH on earth. A Remnant is a small part of something. }

Now is Jesus the SEED of the Woman Israel? Lets let the bible interpret the bible !!

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Now lets reexamine Rev. 12:17, who is Israel's SEED ? Well of course its ONE Jesus Christ the redeemer of all mankind. And thus the REMNANT of her seed do just as verse 12 says, they keep the COMMANDMENTS of Christ Jesus. The Anti-Christ was ANGRY he could not get at Israel the WOMAN so he changes course and goes after the REMNANT CHURCH of Jesus Christ or those that came to Christ after the Rapture.

Did that not ring a bell with you? He can't get at the WOMAN so he goes after one he must CAN GET AT !! They are not, nor can they be, the same entity !!

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Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


IMO this verse could be rendered like such----And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her offspring, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. When rendered like that, it seems to me that this can easily fit the church. IOW----And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the church, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. It still agrees with your position that the woman meant here, and the remnant of her seed meant here, they are not, nor can they be, the same entity---which BTW, I tend to agree with you about that part.

Seed in that verse seems to be meaning in the plural sense IMO. Christ isn't a plural, so I can't see Him being whom is meant by seed in that verse.

phydaux said:

Revealing Times my issue is your use of the word "church" when referring to the remnant. You say in your post that the Bride has been raptured. If the church is the Bride of Christ, and we know that it is, then this remnant of believing Jews must be part of another group.

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We can call the Jews who are "protected" Christians also if we want to, however God via Jesus/John in Revelation seems to want to keep the two separated, thus I call them the Woman (Israel) even though they have repented. Only 1/3 of the Jews make it to the Wilderness, 2/3 are killed, that might be because they live in lets say Europe or the USA and just can't make it to Petra in time etc.

Whoever repents and accepts Jesus are of course Christians, but Jesus/John seems to keep the two separated by calling Israel THE WOMAN and the REMNANT OF HER (Israel's) SEED. The Jews are called THE WOMAN and REMNANT of her seed is those Gentiles NOT RAPTURED who then give their lives unto the Lord before the Anti-Christ COMES FORTH or even after he COMES FORTH, and they refuse to receive the Mark of the Beast. They are the ones that die instead, they are the Beheaded under the Alter at the 5th Seal.

EXAMPLE: Say, God forbid someone you know doesn't make the Rapture, someone who maybe was just living in the world, or someone who thought they had enough oil in the lamp, but they were just wrong, they were not dedicated to the Lord in full. They were play acting so to speak. Then after 750 Million people die, or 1 Billion or 1.5 billion die, whatever the number is, this person you know remembers you and your testimony, the life you lived, and decide to give their lives fully to the Lord, even if that means dying for the Lord from this point on. THOSE are the Remnant (Small part that is left on earth) CHURCH my brother. The Woman is Israel, and the REMNANT of HER SEED (Jesus) is those Gentiles that come to the Lord after the Rapture, if you catch my drift.

God is calling the Jewish people who Repent the WOMAN (Israel) here, she is protected, that is because God promised Abraham that his seed would carry on FOREVER, and because Jesus is going to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. God lifted their blindness after the Rapture, the Gentiles were not blinded, they just tarried in their worldly ways for too long, or of course there are many that just love evil, they will be defeated at Armageddon. The only difference is those Jews in Israel are PROTECTED by God supernaturally, whereas those who tarried, then became Christians all over the world will be in jeopardy of being killed/beheaded unless the worship the Beast as God. Of course there are exceptions, of you are a Christian from Egypt, Jordan etc. etc. and know the scriptures I would Imagine you could flee to Petra also. And some Jews in say the USA who repent might be beheaded. The point is, God is separating them in Rev. ch. 12 for a reason, he is Going to protect 1/3 of the Jews who Flee to Judea, but the Christians all over the world who waited until after the Rapture to come to the Lord will have to lay down their lives or serve the Beast. The BEHEADED in Rev. 20:4 reign with Christ for 1000 years even after being resurrected, I think the Bride who came back with Jesus from Heaven (Rev. ch. 19) will return to Heaven to hep ready New Jerusalem, thus when New Jerusalem comes down its called what? THE BRIDE......

I think the Bride descends with New Jerusalem.

Jesus said when the abomination of desolation is setup to be worshiped, them in Judaea should flee to the mountains. That is why the woman, Israel, the Jews are in the wilderness in Revelation 12:6. Part of them.

Them who do not flee in time - the remanent (remainder) of the Jews in Judaea - are the ones in Revelation 12:14 who Satan will make war against. Jesus returns in Zechariah 14 and rescues them.

Revelation 12 is not about the church, nor anything called a remanent church. It is talking about Israel specifically during the 7 years.

phydaux said:

Revealing Times my issue is your use of the word "church" when referring to the remnant. You say in your post that the Bride has been raptured. If the church is the Bride of Christ, and we know that it is, then this remnant of believing Jews must be part of another group.

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The other group is the great tribulation saints.

phydaux said:

Yes.

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Rapture, could happen before the 70th week starts. Or maybe after it starts, but before the Day of the Lord begins with the 2thessalonians2:4 act.

Truth7t7 said:

Its like saying church and christian, same.

Woman and remnant Jew same.

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Except its not the same, just like the Church and the United States is not the same, nor the Church and Spain etc. etc. Galatians chapter 3 is speaking about Faith vs. THE LAW, and Paul is telling them basically THERE IS NO LAW, thus there is NO JEW nor GREEK in that the Old Jewish Laws are dead. He was telling the Galatians don't let some Jewish person tell you that you have are inferior, we are all saved via the blood of Jesus. But there is still an ISRAEL, Read Romans chapters 9-11, it speaks of the two entities over and over, Israel and the Church, the Church and Israel. The Church is thus Raptured, SOME Jews are Raptured because they are some Messianic Jews, Israel is only BLINDED IN PART, (See Peter, Paul, Matthew Etc.) but 90-95 percent of the Jews will have no chance to see the truth until after the Rapture, then the 70th week starts and Israel will repent via the Two-witnesses testimonies just like Malachi 4:5-6 says.

The Church is in Heaven, then ALL ISRAEL is SAVED, not every Jew, but Israel as a Nation turns back unto God and thus and Israel as a Nation is preserved, God promised this to Abraham. The Anti-Christ along with many of his "forerunners" have tried to kill all the Jews, but God is not going to allow that, of course.

Truth7t7 said:

When does the resurrection of the believer take place, "Last Day"?

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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What is the LAST DAY? Its not when Jesus returns is it? Jesus lives on this earth for 1000 years so what is the LAST DAY being spoken of? Well of course Jesus is referring to the LAST DAY of the Church age, then the 70th Week starts. Jesus returns for his Bride, takes us to Heaven whee its VERY CLEAR, we Marry the Lamb then return on White Horses with him (See Rev. ch. 19).

DavidPT said:

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


IMO this verse could be rendered like such----And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her offspring, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. When rendered like that, it seems to me that this can easily fit the church. IOW----And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the church, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. It still agrees with your position that the woman meant here, and the remnant of her seed meant here, they are not, nor can they be, the same entity---which BTW, I tend to agree with you about that part.

Seed in that verse seems to be meaning in the plural sense IMO. Christ isn't a plural, so I can't see Him being whom is meant by seed in that verse.

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I see you basically agree with me. I think Jesus is THE SEED, but the Church is the ones who keep his Commandments and serve the Lord via their Faith.

I wrote the below thinking you were saying the REMNANT SEED was Israel, I will leave it up seeing as I took the time to write it. Thus if anyone else thinks its Israel they can see my point of view below:

If the OTHER OFFSPRING kept the commandments why wouldn't they have heeded Jesus Christs warning and fled unto the Wilderness? You see I don't get that at all. The Jews that FLEE JUDEA will be the ones who have REPENTED and HEAR the voice of the Holy Spirit, else they would not have fled like Jesus forewarned them to do. The Jews who are killed will be like the Hellenistic Jews in Antiochus Epiphanes time, the High Priest changed his name to Jason, many others hated the ways of their God and served false gods. Most of these Jews will be killed (2/3) but if they has REPENTED wouldn't they have FLED Judea? Of course the would have heard Jesus voice, and his Matthew 24 warning to FLEE Judea.

The REMNANT of HER SEED is the Gentile Church, after the Rapture they are a SMALL PART that is on earth, the Bride/Church is in Heaven.

Truth7t7 said:

We agree that the 1/3 are the "Remnant" saved Jews that receive Jesus Christ and make it to a literal wilderness in the woods.

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There are verses in the Old Testament where they are called the Remnant. However in Rev. 12:17 the REMNANT of her SEED has nothing to do with Israel, that is the REMNANT Church.

Truth7t7 said:

You isolate this wilderness to Petra in Jordan, the scripture in Micah 7 below specifically gives the identification of 3 different places that represent this wilderness, Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead.

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As I stated above, the REMNANT of the Church is not the Remnant of Israel, they are two different entities. The word WILDERNESS can be used for many places, it mean SOLITUDE. The reason I say Petra is its pretty clear in the bible that's where it is, and where else would make a better natural fortification? The scriptures I think back me up.

Micah 2:12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men. {Bozrah in Hebrew is Petra in Greek}

Isaiah 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? 3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

The message spoken by the prophets are even echoed in Matthew 24:15-16 when Jesus warns, "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

The good news is that according to the book of Daniel, Jordan is the one place the Antichrist will not be able to overcome.

"He will enter the glorious land of Israel, and many nations will fall, but Moab, Edom, and the best part of Ammon will escape," Daniel 11:41 says.

Moab, Edom and Ammon are all in Jordan. In fact, Ammon which is now known as Amman, is the capital and most populous city of Jordan.
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Below is a little detective work I have done on Petra/Bozrah. You might find it interesting. This is the work of someone that calls himself the World Detective under God's word. You can skim through it or read it all, I found it quite informative and I read through this while researching my Daniel chapters 11 and 12 research a couple of years back.

I began reading in the Old Testament this week in the Book of Micah. This was after spending several weeks in the New Testament; The Gospel of John. I often get direction from Holy Spirit while reading God’s Word, towards a direction for my next blog.

After my devotion and prayer times, I will sometimes re-direct myself to theComparative Study Bible; containing the King James Version, Amplified Bible, New American Standard Bible and the New International Version. And that is where this investigation started; the ‘Mystery’ and the connections in Micah 2:12-13 and Revelation 12.

“But the woman was supplied with the two wings of a giant eagle, so that she might fly from the presence of the serpent into the desert (wilderness), to the retreat where she is to be kept safe and fed for a time, and times, and half a time (three and one-half years, or 1260 days)” (Revelation 12:14 AMP).

THE MYSTERY BEGAN WITH A QUESTION:

Why is the City of Bozrah only referenced in the Comparative Study Bible in the King James Version and not the rest? Where is the City of Bozrah located?

Bozrah is the ancient capital of Edom and the modern village of today is referenced as Buseirah. It is located in N. Edom. Bozrah guards both the Kings’ Highway (major N-S route through Transjordan), and a major route W. to the Wadi Ara bah thence Negev and S. Judah. It is also within striking distance of the Edomite copper mines. Also, no water source has been found within the site. The main water supply is a spring at Ain Jenin which is also a modern village.


Why did I present to you the description of a geographical area in the world that is rarely referenced to in the Bible? Scripture will answer the question during the reading of the blog.

Several Second Coming passages that I will reference in this investigation, God is seen coming from these regions and adds to the mystery.

The “Strong City” has another name in Scripture:

“Who will bring me into the strong city [of Petra]? Who will lead me into Edom? Have You rejected us, O God? And will You not go forth, O God, with our armies. O give us help against our adversary, for vain (ineffectual and to no purpose) is the help of salvation of man. Through God we shall do valiantly, for He it is Who shall tread down our adversaries” (Psalm 60:9-12 AMP).

“Who will bring me [David] into the strong, fortified city [of Petra]? Who will lead me into Edom?…” (Psalm 108:10-13 AMP).

“Amaziah slew Edom in the Valley of Salt 10,000, and took Sela (Greek Petra [rock]) by war…” (2 Kings 14:7 AMP).

The strong city"] PETRA/BOZRAH:

In the Book of Daniel, the angel of God gives a revealing account of the ‘mystery’ of end times to Daniel while being captive in Babylon. In the following passage of Scripture, the angel explains that the Antichrist will enter Israel and other nations:

“He shall enter into the Glorious Land [Palestine] and many shall be overthrown, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom, Moab, and the main [core] of the people of Ammon”

(Daniel 11:41 AMP).

Edom, Moab and Ammon are all in Jordan; these areas must escape the Antichrist. Israel then, can flee to Edom (Bozrah/Petra [the rock]), where she escapes during the last 1/2 of the Tribulation (times = 2 years, time = 1 year and 1/2 time = 1/2 year or total = 3.5 years– Revelation 12:14).

The Gospel of Matthew Gives Us the “kick-off event”:

Matthew is written specifically to the Jews, gives an escape route for the remnant of Israel, which is noted by Jesus, identifying the “kick-off” event of Daniel 9:27 of the last half of the Tribulation period; the Antichrist setting up an idol of himself in the rebuilt Temple of God (Matthew 24:15-16).

During the terrible last half of the Tribulation period, 2/3 of the population of the Nation of Israel falls to the armies of the Antichrist. The remaining 1/3, the remnantflees this tyranny found in the prophecy of Zechariah (Zechariah 13:8-9).

The “Sheepfold”:

The Hebrew meaning of ‘Bozrah’ is “sheepfold“: “I will bring [Israel] together like sheep in a fold, like a flock in the midst of their pasture” (Micah 2:12).

The ‘Sheep pen’ or “sheepfold” is put into play as the Antichrist tries to finish off Israel at Bozrah/Petra in Edom (Jordan). Jesus returns to save them after the Battle of Armageddon takes place in His clothing reflecting the Winepress of God (Isaiah 63:1-6).

‘The Day of the Lord’ also is pictured in the Book of Revelation where Jesus returns to Earth on a white horse; the Winepress of God in Isaiah 63:3. Again found in Revelation 19:15.

THE FLIGHT TO BOZRAH–The Gathering of the Jude o-Christian People of the Earth:

Picking up the story in Revelation 12 is a critical passage of Scripture in our story. John, the recipient of the vision sees a woman flying away on the wings of a great eagle; flying off to a place of exile for 1260 days, 3.5 years. John saw her escaping the face of the dragon, clothed in glory.

The people of the ‘gathering’ will be exiled to a places (or places) to be nurtured in the things of God. This event, during the Great Tribulation is told to us in Revelation 12:6:

“And the woman [herself] fled into the desert (wilderness), where she has a retreat prepared [for her] by God, in which she is to be fed and kept safe”

Here we see “the flock in the midst of their pasture” of Micah 2:12. The story is retold in Revelation 12:14 just in case you missed it the first time. The Bozrah story apparently is the climatic end-time gathering; like sheep in the fold. A gathering of Jude o-Christian people from around the world. On board airplanes? Maybe or maybe not but John’s vision was that of a Giant Eagle.

The drama unfolds as Jesus, the Messiah takes a little visit to Bozrah/Petra. He will have some business to attend to after He breaks out His people out of the ‘sheep pen’. This is why the Holy Spirit, writing through the prophet Micah, calls Him ‘the breaker’ (Micah 2:13).

The Jewish Return:

“Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your offspring from the east [where you are dispersed] and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, Give up! and to the south, Keep not back. Bring my sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 43:5-6 AMP).

Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. The succession of empires conquered the land of Israel, forcing many into exile; a worldwide scattering. During the past century, millions have returned via Planes, Trains and Automobiles (by sea too!). The “GATHERING”!

“And I will gather the remnant of My flock out of ALL the countries to which I have driven them and will bring them again to their folds and pastures; and they will be fruitful and multiply. And I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them. And they will fear no more nor be dismayed, neither will any be missing or lost, says the Lord. Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch (Sprout), and He will reign as King and do wisely and will execute justice and righteousness in the land. In His days Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His name by which He shall be called: The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 23:3-6 AMP).

The “Math Idea” – What is it?:

In 8 years, the percentage of Jews living in Israel compared to the percentage of Jews living in the world today, we can use the data to make a prediction. Most Jews would return to Israel by 2012.

Checking the math, “93.5 % of Jews in the world would end up in Israel by 2012” (Research done by George and Raymond Konig ofhttp://www.AboutBibleProhecy.com).

From the east: Many Jews living in the Middle Eastern countries moved to Israel in the 1900 s. After Israel reclaimed independence in 1948, more Jews moved to their ancient homeland; forced out of various Arab countries by persecution.

From the west: In the mid 1900 s, hundreds of thousands of Jews from Europe and the United States moved to Israel to escape persecution of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.

From the north: Hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the former Soviet Union moved to Israel in the 1980 s post the Berlin Wall being torn down.

From the south: During the 1980 s and the 1990 s, Israel struck a deal with the Ethiopian’s government, to allow Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25th, 1991, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel. Issiah’s prophecy was correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would allow their Jews to move to Israel.

THE “GATHERING” HAS BEGUN!

Prophecy is being fulfilled as I write this blog. We are arriving at a threshold of Isaiah’s words through God’s Spirit:

“It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house

shall be [firmly] established as the highest of the mountains

and shall be exalted above the hills

and all nations shall flow to it” ~ Isaiah 2:2

Re-building of the Temple on Mt. Moriah.

Before the final gathering takes place; The Sheepfold at Bozrah, God’s Holy Temple must be rebuilt before Jesus returns. Although The Dome of the Rock is currently occupied by the Muslim’s mosque, out of sight and with little publicity, the construction plans are underway.

The Sanhedrin has been reformed again; 500 Levites being trained in priestly duties to serve in the temple. Golden utensils are being forged and antiquities returned to Jerusalem daily as the search for the Ark of the Covenant goes on. With the political climate in the Middle East right now, with Israel being threatened from all sides, God’s Holy Temple, the third temple is underway.

There is still an unanswered question that is a mystery to me. Why is Bozrah/Petra left out of most modern translations in Micah 2:12 and only found in the King James Version? I even grabbed The Interlinear Bible-Hebrew, Greek, English and read the same verse. Again Bozrah appears in Micah 2:12 but is omitted in The Amplified Bible, New American Standard Bible and The New International Version.

Although I was able to investigate the location of city Bozrah/Petra, the mystery of omission is not answered. Was there a reason why the translators, who claim to be in line with Hebrew and Greek language just leave it out? Maybe you might have an answer to the question. There is a COMMENT place at the end of the blog.

I do know this, that over and over again the prophets unveiled the full dimensions of God’s judgement and salvation. God must punish His rebellious people but will afterward redeem them. Israel will be held in captivity, yet a remnant will return. The Messiah, the “One”, “The Breaker” (Amplified Bible) will break through, pass through the pasture gate “and go out through it, and their King will pass on before them, the Lord at their head” (Micah 2:13).

Revealing Times said:

Checking the math, “93.5 % of Jews in the world would end up in Israel by 2012” (Research done by George and Raymond Konig ofhttp://www.AboutBibleProhecy.com).

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Really? The current demographics are around 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.

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Israel and the United States account for 83% of the Jewish population, while a total of 98 countries host the other 17%.[3]

Revealing Times said:

Read Romans chapters 9-11, it speaks of the two entities over and over, Israel and the Church, the Church and Israel.

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This. 70 years ago there was room for academic debate on the topic, but since 1948 there isn't. Israel is in the land again. God is getting ready to once again deal with the world via the nation of Israel. The 70th Week of Daniel is at hand.

Most people, if they are confused on eschatology at all, it is because they don't properly understand their ecclesiology. Israel and the Church are distinct. The Church did not replace Israel, it interrupted it.

Douggg said:

Really? The current demographics are around 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.

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Israel and the United States account for 83% of the Jewish population, while a total of 98 countries host the other 17%.[3]

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That part has ZILCH/NOTHING to do with the point I was making and its his blog, I don't agree with everything anyone says, I have not looked at that part because to me its irrelevant, and two he could have wrote it 20 years ago with an anticipation that it would come to pass.

The point is those who flee are fleeing to PETRA. I really wasn't interested in anything else. There are a few points I don't agree with, but you don't change ANYTHING in someone else's blog, that is wrong, you let it say what it says.

When I drew the dotted line you should have known I had a reason. I wanted to use someone else's info, but wanted to give him credit.

phydaux said:

This. 70 years ago there was room for academic debate on the topic, but since 1948 there isn't. Israel is in the land again. God is getting ready to once again deal with the world via the nation of Israel. The 70th Week of Daniel is at hand.

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Yea, I wrote a blog on this and showed how many times Paul pointed out the Church or Israel in those three chapters over and over and over.

phydaux said:

Most people, if they are confused on eschatology at all, it is because they don't properly understand their ecclesiology. Israel and the Church are distinct. The Church did not replace Israel, it interrupted it.

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Exactly, that's a half truth of Satan. He takes words and then mixes in half truths and because some people just can't get the KJV hes able to confuse them.