Why didn't God create us exactly like him?

Jeronimo890 said:

all my questions!

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First, we need to be prayerful and orderly with any questions we may have. Because first of all we answer to God; He does not first have to answer to us ! !

First, we need to obey God by submitting to how He personally rules each of us in our hearts with His own peace. And love one another the way He desires. This answers a question which you need to be especially interested in asking: what does God want of us? Here are two scriptures which tell us what our basic Christian calling is >

Colossians 3:15

Ephesians 4:2

Any answer to any honest question will have you getting more real with God and obedient to how He rules us in His peace and how He has us relating with one another. The way we become more like Jesus is the right meaning of any scripture and any correct answer we offer to you.

So, in case you are just trying to make God answer to you and give you explanations . . . knowledge is not enough. A person first needs to see one's need for Jesus on the cross, and trust in Christ (Ephesians 1:12) to get us forgiven and reconciled with God. We need to not treat God like He is only or mainly theoretical; "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16); so God our Heavenly Father is personal with every one of His children. So, it is wise to not treat Him like He is distant and not personally and intimately involved with His own children!

So, better than asking a bunch of questions about Him, like He is theoretical and distant, submit to Him so you find out all He desires to do with you. God bless you to.

And then we first need to stay busy with answering to God. And our questions need to be designed to help us with this. So, then, what do your questions have to do with helping you or someone else to become a child of God? And how can answers to your question help you to obey how our Heavenly Father rules us in His very own peace (Colossians 3:15) while we learn to relate as family in His love (Ephesians 4:1-3, Ephesians 4:31-32)?

You need to answer to God, first, about all He desires of you. Ask what this is, while reading the Bible and communicating with other people, please. And trust that God is the One who is able to have you succeed in doing all He desires >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

Kenny'sID said:

Oh, you don't think God can do anything *If* he wishes to?

That's too bad.

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If you accept what YHVH says about Himself, as the Hebrews/ Israelis believe, in line with all Hebrew Scripture and the New Testament,
then you know YHVH never changes.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

If you accept what YHVH says about Himself, as the Hebrews/ Israelis believe, in line with all Hebrew Scripture and the New Testament,
then you know YHVH never changes.

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He doesn't have to change in order to be able to do what ever he chooses to.

Anyway, you have my full argument, and again if you think God is limited on what he can do or not do, that's up to you. And remember I never said he would, just that he could if he chose to.

Jeronimo890 said:

Why didn't God create us exactly like him, with free will but only desire for good?

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First, it is true that God has desire only for good. Also, "God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." (in James 1:13) So, it is wise not to blame God, somehow, for the fall of Adam and Eve.

The Bible says Jesus is to have the preeminence "in all things." (Colossians 1:18) Through this, I understand that Adam and Eve were not meant to be the first on this earth to live perfect lives without sin. Jesus was to be the first; Jesus had to have the preeminence in being the first One on this earth to live without sin.

Adam and Eve, then, never were meant to be the first.

Adam and Eve were not perfectly like Jesus who is incapable of sinning. So, their freedom of will was indeed quite limited. They did not have the nature of Jesus. Yet, yes they were perfectly created > "very good". But this means they were good as creature beings which could be corrupted by "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2) They did not have the character to say no to Satan and how his evil spirit corrupted them to disobey.

Therefore, it is important to not rely only on our own free wills while we still have our only human . . . and already corrupted . . . character. Only God is able to change our nature so we can will but also do all He desires. And this is in sharing with Him in us having us succeed in this > Philippians 2:13.

So, what this can show, in my opinion, which can help us is we can see how fully we need Jesus. Of our own selves, we have no chance - - - if even perfect creatures like Adam and Eve could fall to Satan. What chance have we got, if even they so failed while being "very good"?

The answer, then, to this question is we need to be humble and admit how we need to trust in Christ for all we need, and not boast what our own free wills, just human, are able to do for us. We need how Jesus alone can make us "free indeed" (John 8:36) in sharing with Him in us.

God pleases to form the Person of His own Son Jesus in each of us, in our hearts > Galatians 4:19. And Jesus in us makes us more and more able to be stable and stay clear of doing evil, while we become able to please our Heavenly Father the way Jesus so pleases Him. And Jesus in us shares with us how He is submissive to our Father and how He has us relating in love with one another while caring for any and all people.

This is what you need to be getting in answer to your questions.

I guess you could say that Adam and Eve are an object lesson, of what can happen to any human who is perfect only as a creature without Jesus. This shows how much we all need Jesus, and how not a one of us humans has been superior, really, to anyone else. So we need to be humble and not conceitedly looking down on anyone.

Jeronimo890 said:

God is good, so why would he make us victim of what our ancestors did?

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We have already offered how "God cannot be tempted of evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." This is in the epistle of James > James 1:13. So, God has not made anyone the victim of Satan.

However, sin has passed on from Adam to all humans, according to what I read in Romans 5:12 > "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned". God's word says this. So, what does this mean? I understand that sin is like a disease which can spread from parents to their children, at the time of conception. It is like passing on DNA to a child.

And how spiritually would this occur? The parents in sin have "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2). And this evil spirit can pass on to children before they are even born. This is the spirit of selfishness, which you might have noticed can start to show even before a child learns how to talk.

It is not a child's nature to start right off with enjoying God while caring about any and all people as much as the child cares about one's own self. Jesus in us is our Beginning of this. Only Jesus almighty is able to get us free "from the power of Satan to God" > see Acts 26:18. Only Jesus in us is able to turn us into deeply quiet and sensitive and sensible people so we are pleasing to our Father like Jesus is so pleasing >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

You need to ask your questions in a way so you are getting help doing this. Trust in Jesus however you need to, so you are with God doing this with you

Kenny'sID said:

He doesn't have to change in order to be able to do what ever he chooses to.

Anyway, you have my full argument, and again if you think God is limited on what he can do or not do, that's up to you. And remember I never said he would, just that he could if he chose to.

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YHVH never changes - HE never could do evil, nor tempt anyone to do evil, nor will He ever, even when tested, tried, or tempted.....

They Try to Trap Jesus - Bible Gateway
Bible Gateway passage: Mark 12:13-17, Luke 1 - New International Version...
15 Should we pay or not pay?” Jesus knew how they pretended to be someone they were not. He said to them, “Why do you try to trap Me? Bring Me a small piece of money so I may look at it.” 16 They brought Him one. He asked them, “Whose picture is this? Whose name is on it?” They answered, “Caesar's.” 17 Then ...

John 8:6 NIRV - They were trying to trap Jesus with - Bible Gateway
Bible Gateway passage: John 8:6 - New International Reader's Version
They were trying to trap Jesus with that question. They wanted to have a reason to bring charges against him. But Jesus bent down and started to.

Matthew 22:23-46 ERV - Some Sadducees Try to Trick Jesus - Bible ...
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:23-46 - New International Version...
Some Sadducees Try to Trick Jesus. 23 That same day some Sadducees came to Jesus. (Sadducees believe that no one will rise from death.) The Sadducees asked Jesus a question. 24 They said, “Teacher, Moses told us that if a married man dies and had no children, his brother must marry the woman. Then they will ...

‎Matthew 22:24 · ‎Matthew 22:32
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Three Attempts to Trap Jesus - Part One. Posted 1/7/15 by James Boice. Theme: Jesus, the Final Authority, the Bible, His Perfect Word. This weeks lesson teaches us that no one can fool Jesus because he is God. SCRIPTURE. Matthew 22:15-22. Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to entangle him in his words.

Matthew 22:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him ...
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Then the Pharisees met together to plot how to trap Jesus into saying something for which he could be arrested. ... Then the Pharisees went out and plotted to trap Jesus in His words. Berean Literal Bible Then the Pharisees having gone out, took counsel how they might trap Him in His words. New American Standard Bible

Jeronimo890 said:

why did God allow it to fall on us?

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I have offered that Jesus was always the One meant to be the first to succeed in obeying our Heavenly Father on this earth and not to sin. So, the answer to this question, in practice, includes how we need to trust God to take us and forgive us and correct us so we share with Him in His own holiness and His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness" > Hebrews 12:4-11.

Jesus is the answer to the problem. The spirit of evil is a reality. Satan is a reality. But they are so inferior to God our Father and His Son Jesus. Jesus can easily and breezily and wonderfully change us out of our sin problem.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

Yes, Jesus Himself, God's own Son, came to this earth in order to reach us and save us and share personally with every one of us. So, Jesus is not conceited, at all. Jesus so suffered and died like He did, on Calvary's cross, in order to reconcile us with God and save us from our sins. And with Him in His love, through His almighty resurrection, we can have almighty mental and emotional and spiritual safety in His own peace in His love in us > "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29)

So, make sure your questioning takes you here, more and more, and not somewhere else.

Jeronimo890 said:

But God knew all of this in advance. So does it mean that He did this in a way for Him to prove us his Love? But that begs the question, if He love us, then why did He do it that way since he knew it would lead some of us away from him and to hell?

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Read and feed on Romans chapter nine. Consider how God has created every human with a special purpose, one way or another. There are vessels for honor, but also vessels for dishonor.

What we can consider is that God is making His good use of every human . . . like He used Joseph who was honorable, but also He used Joseph's dishonorable brothers > Genesis 37-50. This is what we need to feed on > how God is able to bring His love purpose out of any situation, including our own failures.

So, it is wise not to keep on being wrong, because you won't be able to benefit from how God can use evil for His good.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Test every thing for the good God is able to do with it.

Also, Jesus says that only God is good > Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19. Consider who alone is the One, then, who is able to produce any real good.

We need to answer to God, then, and trust Him and depend on Him to do all the good He desires to do with us.

Where people got in trouble, led away from God, opposed to Jesus,
was in seeking answers and accepting answers from man/men/ and not from God and not from His Word.
God freely and generously without any reproach grants wisdom and understanding to all those who trust and seek Him, relying on Him for all things, continually, daily, all their lives.

This causes great conflict with men who don't. (Same as it did for Jesus)

Jeronimo890 said:

I know that I have to answer to God and that He has absolutely no obligation to answer me.
And I am just trying to understand better Jesus sacrifice for us, I don't think it is in any way leading me away from him.

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Jeronimo890 said:

Could it be that God made us able to reject him and have desire for sin so that we would be able to chose him and love him without being forced by our nature (in case he made us with only a desire for good like Him)? Thus resulting in a more profound relationship and love between us and Him? Just as He could decide to love or not to love us (by creating us or not creating us), He made us in his Image, being able to love or not to love? Thanks for all your replies!

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You don't sound like a Catholic, btw.

Jeronimo890 said:

So in creating us God choosed us

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Just being created by God, does NOT MEAN God chose us.

Jeronimo890 said:

And if we truly choose him, He will begin to transform our nature to a loving nature like His. Making us rely on Him and creating a loving bond between Him and us. Am I right?

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No. Sorry.

Jeronimo890 said:

Why?

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I have to exit for a while. Will try to get back in one hour or so. YHVH willing.

Jeronimo890 said:

And if we truly choose him, He will begin to transform our nature to a loving nature like His. Making us rely on Him and creating a loving bond between Him and us. Am I right?

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You could truly pick the queens diamonds as your desire for a gift,
but could not make it come to pass.
Attaining heaven is much, much, much more impossible that getting the queens diamonds, no matter what you choose, truly or not. (As Jesus told the disciples - they were so astonished, they cried out "HOW then can WE (Jesus Apostles) be saved ? " )
He replied: You can't. If you think you have it made, or can accomplish salvation, you have already failed.
But , IF you trust the heavenly FATHER CREATOR to accomplish your salvation AND every thing concerning salvation in this life, and in the life to come,
THEN it is already done.

It is necessary to trust the Father, but HE NEVER makes us trust Him, HE never makes us rely on Him (as if going against or over-riding our will).
We must choose joyously and freely to trust and rely on Him, and live accordingly willingly and joyously no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the cost (we have to renounce everything, to give up everything, anyway, just to be His disciple) .....