How do you respond when someone says that God has these feelings for you....?

Tree of Life said:

Do you believe Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount in Greek?

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Of course not. Since Our Lord had Simon Zealotes as one of His 12, it would stand to reason that He NEVER spoke in Greek or Latin, since the party of the Zealots were terrorists trying to throw off Greek and Roman occupation. (kinda like the IRA in the 1960s and 70s)

Furthermore, I am not sure the Greek texts are all that pristine.

I have been reading from George Lamsa's translation of the Peshita New Testament - the original Aramaic text from manuscripts in the same age range as the earliest Greek texts.

Though this is not a debate board, to simplify the idea of language, God and Adam spoke. We don't know how. We don't know how God spoke to the recipients of the word that was to become Scripture. Either way, God chose those who spoke Hebrew to put his word to language and the written Word.

Then there was the Tower of Babel, where God himself gave each person a language - and they found others who could speak their language, and they scattered to create the nations.

Now we speak English. English language, like all languages, are fluid. They change. Webster is adding, changing, removing words all the time. Gay used to mean cheerful. Anyway, English is not a descriptive language like Hebrew, which is likely why God chose Hebrew for taking his word to his people.

Simple. No need to complicate things.

God adoring us is endearing, and I, for one, accept this great affection for me! I love that he looks at me with all the love he has, which is so intensely unimaginable that we cannot grasp even a tiny taste of such love and adoration!

I would like to know what Tree of Life has against Hebrew.

ValleyGal said:

Anyway, English is not a descriptive language like Hebrew, which is likely why God chose Hebrew for taking his word to his people.

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That, and the fact that ancient Hebrew is the only known language to have both a phonetic and pictorial alphabet. It also has multiple simultaneous layers of meaning, a trait shared with other Semitic languages like Chaldean, Aramaic, Arabic, etc.

That is one reason that all Indo-European languages make poor translations of the original text.

Originally "adore" and "worship" were synonyms. However, over the centuries, "adore" has taken on a more general meaning, "to like someone or something very much".

Dave-W said:

I would like to know what Tree of Life has against Hebrew.

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I love Hebrew. I studied it for three years in seminary and use it all the time in exegesis. I always translate directly from the Hebrew.

To claim that Hebrew is not a divine language is not to say that it's a bad language.

Dave-W said:

Of course not. Since Our Lord had Simon Zealotes as one of His 12, it would stand to reason that He NEVER spoke in Greek or Latin, since the party of the Zealots were terrorists trying to throw off Greek and Roman occupation. (kinda like the IRA in the 1960s and 70s)

Furthermore, I am not sure the Greek texts are all that pristine.

I have been reading from George Lamsa's translation of the Peshita New Testament - the original Aramaic text from manuscripts in the same age range as the earliest Greek texts.

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Is the text of Matthew's gospel, then, a lie?

Tree of Life said:

Is the text of Matthew's gospel, then, a lie?

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Of course not. Even the Early Church Fathers claimed Matthew was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic.

The ONLY NT book to have that endorsement.

Dave-W said:

Of course not. Even the Early Church Fathers claimed Matthew was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic.

The ONLY NT book to have that endorsement.

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This is possible. Would this suggest that Luke's gospel is a lie because it was written in Greek?

Tree of Life said:

This is possible. Would this suggest that Luke's gospel is a lie because it was written in Greek?

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Are you sure it was - originally?

I would say there is a likely hood of it, but the Greek text does NOT preserve the multi-level nature of the Aramaic language (which the Peshita does) nor does it preserve the "pun" word structure (play on similar word sounds) which is a major characteristic of Aramaic. The Peshita also preserves that.

Dave-W said:

Are you sure it was - originally?

I would say there is a likely hood of it, but the Greek text does NOT preserve the multi-level nature of the Aramaic language (which the Peshita does) nor does it preserve the "pun" word structure (play on similar word sounds) which is a major characteristic of Aramaic. The Peshita also preserves that.

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If the Greek text of Luke, Mark, or John is not lying when it is recording the words of Jesus then neither is Genesis 1-3 lying when it records the words of God and Adam.

blossom15 said:

I think someone was aiming to be encouraging when they said that God adores me. However, to me the word adore seems too connected with worship. Does anyone else think that way? I realise that God loves me.

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There are some words I stay away from, one of them being "adore."

blossom15 said:

I think someone was aiming to be encouraging when they said that God adores me. However, to me the word adore seems too connected with worship. Does anyone else think that way? I realise that God loves me.

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Well, perhaps the wording wasn't precise, but I'm sure it was well meant. A nice friendly talk, someday, about what precise word could be used, might be a good thing, but it might be just as well to just say thank you for that thought.

blossom15 said:

I think someone was aiming to be encouraging when they said that God adores me. However, to me the word adore seems too connected with worship. Does anyone else think that way? I realise that God loves me.

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A friend of mine uses English as a second language. She does not always know to choose the best words. My Spanish is worse than her English as she has been in the USA for 40 years. I tried to understand what she was trying to say. She seems to be generally honest. Her occasional lack of better definition is something I cope with.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son."

Song of Solomon

Dave-W said:

The closest we can come to GOD's original language is ancient Hebrew.

בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָֽרֶץ׃
Bereshit bara Elohim et haShamaim v'et haEretz. (Gen 1.1)

וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים יְהִי אֹור וַֽיְהִי־אֹֽור׃
Va'yōmer Elohim y'hee or; v'hee or. (Gen 1.3)

Unless you think the text lies about what God actually said.
The text says God said "OR" (light) Is that what HE said or not?

Can you give me chapter and verse saying there is no holy language?

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How on Earth do you know that? What arrogance of the Jewish people to think such a thing. This assumes that at the tower of Babel Shem was the only one who was allowed to speak the pre-Flood language. Yet the Scriptures say nothing of the sort.

blossom15 said:

I think someone was aiming to be encouraging when they said that God adores me. However, to me the word adore seems too connected with worship. Does anyone else think that way? I realise that God loves me.

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Some sexually repressed woman I know said something like that to me, and I just assumed she was looking for sex.

AlexDTX said:

What arrogance of the Jewish people to think such a thing.

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You mean sola scriptura? That is arrogance?

THE W said:

Song of Solomon

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What about it? It uses dod for "love."

A female friend took me to a non-denominational Pentecostal church on Wednesday, and the preacher spent too much time talking about the rocks in the fertile soil in one of the Parables, and my friend told me she loved me after the service, and I wasn't trying to date her. Sometimes you try to be somebody's friend, but they're really looking for a date. Avoid the person if you can, and if you have to, just say no, and don't make any plans. I've had a few of them do me that way.