Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

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Agree but you simply misunderstand what the scripture tells us
demons are not angels - demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim giants and the dead Nephilim spirits can not have a resurrection -

the spirits of dead Nephilim are disembodied spirits that seek to inhabit a physical body such as human - or pigs - which can be cast out of the physical body as example given in Jesus casting out a legion out of the man into the pigs

"There were till then left the RACE OF GIANTS, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men" (Ant., V,ii,3).

terrible to the hearing would mean either a extremely loud voice from such an extremely large creature or a sound that is so much different than ordinary humans that it terrifies people

Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

The Hebrew for "deceased" is actually the word for the Rephaim (a name for the giants). This is one of two places in the KJV where they didn't bring the name Rephaim into Engllish.

2 Pter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. – Jude 1:6-8

these being angels that were of the group that had sex with humans and are not permitted to roam the earth with satan - they will not be released from their prison until they are cast into the lake of fire

Major - how often do you say to people you meet when you introduce your family do you say ' this is my wife and children whom are human '
how often do you here an employer say ' this is the team of employees that you will be working with ; they are human '

the mere mention of 'they are human' implies and indicates that they are not the same breed as everyone else
Notice the scripture makes a clear delineation between humans and the giants Nephilim

6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,

2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.

Scripture is very clear - the sons of God are not human and the daughters of humans are indeed human or the phrase daughters of men are human
Scripture makes a clear distinction describing the sons of God as a different breed of beings that are not human

Your insistence to say that the sons of God are human would require the scripture to say the daughters are daughters of God as Adam and Eve are created EQUAL and thus there is NO reason to make such statements to say that
the sons of God are human if they were human-
There is a clear and distinct different description between who the sons are that is separate and different than daughters of men

You have clearly shown that you prefer your fallacy - your personal interpretation that you force into the scripture because it comforts you and you simply don't want to accept the truth that scripture states clearly that the sons of God in Gensis is the same as the sons of God in Job which are indeed angels

No sir. The opposite is true. DEMONS are not found in the Bible as YOU just agreed to.

Then you turn right around and say............
"You have clearly shown that you prefer your fallacy - your personal interpretation that you force into the scripture because it comforts you and you simply don't want to accept the truth that scripture states clearly that the sons of God in Gensis is the same as the sons of God in Job which are indeed angel".

Now just think for moment.

IF they were the "sons of God" they certainly would not be doing what God said not to do.

IF they were "fallen angels" they would not then be called "THE SONS OF GOD".

Now on top of that, we know and you agreed that the word DEMON is NOT in the KJV Bible.

So now, please list the Bible Scriptures which validate that fallen angels have the Male genitilia in order to have sex with human women.

YOU are the one forcing YOUR opinions into the Word of God.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong and as you know I have been wrong before, but have you not acknowledged in the past that in at least some of the Job mentions of “sons of God” they are references to angels?

Since Adam fell in rebellion against God’s specific instruction and he was called a “son of God” in Luke, why is it a stretch to say fallen angels created by the hand of God are referred to as “sons of God”?

Also, since “the sons of God” in your theory allegedly took wives from the wicked line of Cain would that not place them in a rebellious state of some sort diminishing their perceived Holiness?

My point here is “sons of God” in this context is not a holy person or a follower of God but a direct creation by the hand of God, such as Adam and all angels both fallen or not. The NT definition does NOT apply here!

Thanks for the question my friend. I have as a matter of fact stated on several occasions that the "Sons of God" in Job are angels.

Again, please understand that I do not have any theories!!!! I do however read the Scriptures and believe what they actually say, NOT what I want them to say.

CONTEXT demands that in Job 1, God called the angles to come TO HIM to report.

Genesis 6:1-3 actually does say............
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD (God) said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There is not one word there that says DEMONS or FALLEN ANGELS!

This phrase CANNOT be a reference to angels, either to those who are righteous or evil. The Bible does not contain even a HINT that flesh and blood humans can somehow mate with spirit-composed beings! Although there are some parallels in pagan thought regarding this possibility, this concept is simply not taught in Scripture
http://www.[bless and do not curse]...t curse]/question/are-angels-sons-of-god.html

God lives in Heaven. So then the angels came to God in heaven so then the "Sons of God" can not be humans in heaven at that time.

The only God-Man in heaven even today is the Lord Jesus Christ. I know you agree with that.
 
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Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.



Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.



Psalm 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.

25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

Thanks. I stand corrected.
 
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Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible................


Men shall not marry. They will have no such need or desire.


Agree, this is true in the resurrection.

All earthly ties and relationships shall have been outgrown, their purpose ended, and no longer needed or desirable.

Not sure I entirely agree with this. In the transfiguration Moses was known as Moses, Elias was known as Elias. In the new heaven and earth the twelve apostles will still be identified by name. I see no reason from scripture both you and I will not be the individuals we are now only in new glorified eternal bodies.

Like the holy angels, men shall have an existence in God, apart from all limitations and necessities of the flesh.

Agree, but I do not see how this applies to fallen angels who KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE, AND LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION.

Agreed. We will KNOW each other then as we are known now but we will not have a physical desire then as we do now because we in resurrected glorified bodies we will be then as angels are now.....ASEXUAL.
The Strong's for this is:

As for the falln angels in Jude.............

archē
ar-khay'
From G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): - beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

It Sounds like it means they gave up their rank or position, in addition to their "habitation" which is of course --residence for their rebellion against God.
Then according to Jude as you posted, now, as a result, they are enjoying their 2nd estate--in chains in hell.
Jude 1:6 - GLT - And the angels that did not keep their...

Since that is what the Scriptures actually do say, then how could those fallen angels be having sex with humans on the earth if they were in chains in hell????
 
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But more importantly you simply cannot grasp the fact that there are multiple scriptures that show that angles do have bodies - physical bodies hence an angel with a physical body cannot inhabit another physical body , scripture does not show any angels being cast of of any persons
and that shows that it is a demonic spirit =demon that seeks to inhabit humans - scripture states that after a demonic spirit is cast out of a person ; that if that person falls back into temptations of sin that not only that same demon that was cast out will return but will bring back with it 7 more demons with it to inhabit that person . It cannot be possible that many angels with physical bodies can inhabit a person- when Jesus spoke a man who was possessed by many many demons and Jesus ask who they were - they told Jesus that they are legion for they are many

what do you say who legion is ,
You simply do not want to accept the truth of what scripture says





No sir. The opposite is true. DEMONS are not found in the Bible as YOU just agreed to.

Then you turn right around and say............
"You have clearly shown that you prefer your fallacy - your personal interpretation that you force into the scripture because it comforts you and you simply don't want to accept the truth that scripture states clearly that the sons of God in Gensis is the same as the sons of God in Job which are indeed angel".

Now just think for moment.

IF they were the "sons of God" they certainly would not be doing what God said not to do.

IF they were "fallen angels" they would not then be called "THE SONS OF GOD".

Now on top of that, we know and you agreed that the word DEMON is NOT in the KJV Bible.

So now, please list the Bible Scriptures which validate that fallen angels have the Male genitilia in order to have sex with human women.

YOU are the one forcing YOUR opinions into the Word of God.
 
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Cain and Abel were fraternal twins born from two fertilized ovum... but conceived by 2 different fathers ....that explain why God does not include Cain in Adam lineage.

Impossible you might say ... Cases like that are documented in medical record.

You are actually proposing the Serpent Seed teaching which is not allowed by the rules of the forum.

It is one of if not the most insidious theologically positions I can think of.

Again..........please state the Scriptures which validate your opinion.
 
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Again, please understand that I do not have any theories!!!! I do however read the Scriptures and believe what they actually say, NOT what I want them to say.


Actually I believe you do have theories but you will not allow yourself to believe you could possibly be wrong (except for angels eating). If I had a dollar for every time someone has told me on this forum that they only believe what is written in the scriptures I would take you and your whole family out to dinner.

We all have theories, come on Major admit it. This topic is not so black and white as you paint it. You make your case and I make mine, but I am not buying your I believe the scriptures and they agree with me attitude. I do say that with friendly intentions.


IMHO you have a Major1 conundrum. Pun intended.

Since that is what the Scriptures actually do say, then how could those fallen angels be having sex with humans on the earth if they were in chains in hell????


Tell us how these (fallen angel / demons) can possess anyone while being in chains in hell? Looking forward to your theory on this question.

The truth here is fallen angels are not demons and all fallen angels are not in chains in hell, and demons currently run wild on this earth, because their time has not yet come..

 
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You are actually proposing the Serpent Seed teaching which is not allowed by the rules of the forum.
Not at all ... what i propose is that Cain was under the Evil Influence [possessed by Satan ]since his conception or a least after that Cain was born .... And you have actually provided a Scripture where Jesus refers to the Scribes and High Priests Pharisee as having a murderer for father John 8:44 ...referring them as being the descendants of Cain.In some of your posts you refers Cain descendants mentioned in Genesis 4:16-24 as being the evil line...

It is one of if not the most insidious theologically positions I can think of.
None less you qualify yourself Cain descendants mentioned in Genesis 4:16-24 as being evil ...

Again..........please state the Scriptures which validate your opinion.
The original Hebrew wording and definition of what is written in Genesis 3 is available on the internet...
 
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Now on top of that, we know and you agreed that the word DEMON is NOT in the KJV Bible.
It appears that you must believe that the KJV must be your personal canon as if there would be no other translation that could be accurate - consider this the story of Mark 5
as it tells of a man who was possessed by demons though the KJV uses the term devils as in plural devils -
Leviticus 17:7
They shall no longer sacrifice their sacrifices to the goat demons with which they play the harlot. This shall be a permanent statute to them throughout their generations.”’

Deuteronomy 32:17
“They sacrificed to demons who were not God, To gods whom they have not known, New gods who came lately, Whom your fathers did not dread.

Psalm 106:37
They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons,

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Matthew 8:16
When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.

Matthew 8:28
[ Jesus Casts Out Demons ] When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.

Matthew 8:31
The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”

Matthew 9:32
As they were going out, a mute, demon-possessed man was brought to Him.

Matthew 9:33
After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”

Matthew 9:34
But the Pharisees were saying, “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.”

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

Matthew 11:18
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’

Matthew 12:22
[ The Pharisees Rebuked ] Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

Matthew 12:27
If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matthew 15:22
And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.”

Matthew 17:18
And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once.

Mark 1:32
When evening came, after the sun had set, they began bringing to Him all who were ill and those who were demon-possessed.

Mark 1:34
And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.

Mark 1:39
And He went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out the demons.

Mark 3:15
and to have authority to cast out the demons.

Mark 3:22
The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.”

Mark 5:12
The demons implored Him, saying, “Send us into the swine so that we may enter them.”

Mark 5:15
They came to Jesus and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the “legion”; and they became frightened.

In common usage, a legion was the largest unit in the Roman army. At that time, a legion averaged about 5,000 fighting men, though it could have thousands more or fewer. So the term legion refers to any large number of beings; a multitude. When the demon in Mark 5 said that its name was Legion, it meant that the demoniac of the Gerasenes was possessed by a large number of unclean spirits.

Scripture does not say exactly how many demons comprised the Legion within the man. However, when Jesus cast them out, they entered a herd of pigs feeding nearby. Legion caused the pigs to rush down a hillside and into the sea, where they were all drowned (Mark 5:13). The number of pigs killed was “about two thousand.” That detail suggests that Legion was composed of about two thousand demons. The large number of demons may account for the afflicted man’s untamable nature and great strength—strength that was no match for God, of course.

There is one other mention of a “legion” in the context of spirit beings, this time of good angels. When Jesus was being arrested, Peter pulled out a sword and wounded a nearby member of the mob. Jesus healed the wound (Matthew 26:51) and told Peter to put away his sword. The Lord reminded Peter that, if He needed help, He could have God send “more than twelve legions of angels” (verse 53). That might total 60,000 angels, but the exact number wasn’t the point Jesus was making. Rather, it was to remind the terrified disciples that God is always in control of all circumstances, even during the horrible injustice of the murder of his own Son.

What does it mean that the name of the demon was Legion?
 
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It appears that you must believe that the KJV must be your personal canon as if there would be no other translation that could be accurate - consider this the story of Mark 5
as it tells of a man who was possessed by demons though the KJV uses the term devils as in plural devils -
Leviticus 17:7
They shall no longer sacrifice their sacrifices to the goat demons with which they play the harlot. This shall be a permanent statute to them throughout their generations.”’

Deuteronomy 32:17
“They sacrificed to demons who were not God, To gods whom they have not known, New gods who came lately, Whom your fathers did not dread.

Psalm 106:37
They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons,

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Matthew 8:16
When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.

Matthew 8:28
[ Jesus Casts Out Demons ] When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.

Matthew 8:31
The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”

Matthew 9:32
As they were going out, a mute, demon-possessed man was brought to Him.

Matthew 9:33
After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”

Matthew 9:34
But the Pharisees were saying, “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.”

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

Matthew 11:18
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’

Matthew 12:22
[ The Pharisees Rebuked ] Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

Matthew 12:27
If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matthew 15:22
And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.”

Matthew 17:18
And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once.

Mark 1:32
When evening came, after the sun had set, they began bringing to Him all who were ill and those who were demon-possessed.

Mark 1:34
And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.

Mark 1:39
And He went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out the demons.

Mark 3:15
and to have authority to cast out the demons.

Mark 3:22
The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.”

Mark 5:12
The demons implored Him, saying, “Send us into the swine so that we may enter them.”

Mark 5:15
They came to Jesus and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the “legion”; and they became frightened.

In common usage, a legion was the largest unit in the Roman army. At that time, a legion averaged about 5,000 fighting men, though it could have thousands more or fewer. So the term legion refers to any large number of beings; a multitude. When the demon in Mark 5 said that its name was Legion, it meant that the demoniac of the Gerasenes was possessed by a large number of unclean spirits.

Scripture does not say exactly how many demons comprised the Legion within the man. However, when Jesus cast them out, they entered a herd of pigs feeding nearby. Legion caused the pigs to rush down a hillside and into the sea, where they were all drowned (Mark 5:13). The number of pigs killed was “about two thousand.” That detail suggests that Legion was composed of about two thousand demons. The large number of demons may account for the afflicted man’s untamable nature and great strength—strength that was no match for God, of course.

There is one other mention of a “legion” in the context of spirit beings, this time of good angels. When Jesus was being arrested, Peter pulled out a sword and wounded a nearby member of the mob. Jesus healed the wound (Matthew 26:51) and told Peter to put away his sword. The Lord reminded Peter that, if He needed help, He could have God send “more than twelve legions of angels” (verse 53). That might total 60,000 angels, but the exact number wasn’t the point Jesus was making. Rather, it was to remind the terrified disciples that God is always in control of all circumstances, even during the horrible injustice of the murder of his own Son.

What does it mean that the name of the demon was Legion?

As stated, the KJV of the Scriptures do not contain the word, "DEMON".
 
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As stated, the KJV of the Scriptures do not contain the word, "DEMON".
so what big deal it does not contain "ICE CREAM " either :)
kjv uses the word devils and they are not angels
And you totally disregard Jesus casting out DEMONS
And you know that Jesus casting out Legion is thousands of demons out of one single man
Demons are disembodied spirits from the dead hybrid nephilim giants looking for a host body and in the case of Jesus casting out Legion it means there were about 2000 of them looking for a new body to go into :)
 
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so what big deal it does not contain "ICE CREAM " either :)
kjv uses the word devils and they are not angels
And you totally disregard Jesus casting out DEMONS
And you know that Jesus casting out Legion is thousands of demons out of one single man :)

The deal is that you are claiming something......DEMON and that something does not exist.

Fallen angels or devils but NOT Demons.

1 Tim. 4:1........
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines OF DEVILS."

Matthew 9:34........
"But the Pharisees said, He casteth out DEVILS through the prince of the DEVILS."

However there are many Bible versions both before and after the King James Holy Bible that correctly translate this word as devils. Among these are the following:

Wycliffe 1395 - "and to techingis of deuelis", Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, Bishop's Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Beza N.T. 1599, John Wesley's N.T. 1755, Worsley Version 1770 (Mat. 9:34 etc.), Haweis N.T. 1795, Webster's 1833 translation (Deut. 32:17; 2 Chron. 11:15), the Hammond N.T. 1845, Hussey N.T. 1845, the Hewett N.T. 1850, The Commonly Received Version 1851, the Calvin Bible 1856, the Kenrick N.T. 1862, the Alford N.T. 1870, the Revised Version 1885, the Dillard N.T. 1885, The Corrected English N.T. 1905, the Clarke N.T. 1913, the Douay Rheims 1950, The New English N.T. 1961, Jerusalem Bible 1968, New American Bible 1970, Lamsa's translation of the Syriac Peshitta 1933, the New English Bible 1970, J. B. Phillips 1969 (14 times) - "You cannot drink both the cup of the Lord and the cup of DEVILS. You cannot be a guest at the Lord’s table and at the table of DEVILS.", 1 Cor. 10:20, The Living Bible 1971, the KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, the 2001 Easy to Read Version (Psalms 106:37 "God's people killed their own children and offered the children to those DEVILS."), the modern 2002 paraphrase called The Message - Isaiah 34:14, Matthew 12:27, 45; Luke 11:19 "but if you're slinging devil mud at me, calling me a devil who kicks out DEVILS, doesn't the same mud stick to your own exorcists?" and the Jubilee Bible 2010 (18 times) -"Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto DEVILS." Psalm 106:37.



Other English Bibles that translated this word as DEVILS in 1 Timothy 4:1 and the other places - "doctrines of DEVILS" - are The Word of Yah 1993, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Revised Geneva Bible 2005, Bond Slave Version 2009, The Work of God's Children Illustrated Bible 2011 and The Holy Bible, Modern English Version 2014 - “Now the Spirit clearly says that in the last times some will depart from the faith and pay attention to seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.”.

Those who criticize the King James Bible for using the word devils instead of demons apparently do not understand either the Greek or the English language very well. They are like those described in 1 Timothy 1:7 "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."
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Not at all ... what i propose is that Cain was under the Evil Influence [possessed by Satan ]since his conception or a least after that Cain was born .... And you have actually provided a Scripture where Jesus refers to the Scribes and High Priests Pharisee as having a murderer for father John 8:44 ...referring them as being the descendants of Cain.In some of your posts you refers Cain descendants mentioned in Genesis 4:16-24 as being the evil line...


None less you qualify yourself Cain descendants mentioned in Genesis 4:16-24 as being evil ...


The original Hebrew wording and definition of what is written in Genesis 3 is available on the internet...

You said............
"The original Hebrew wording and definition of what is written in Genesis 3 is available on the internet".......

Which is another way of saying----
IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE!.
 
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You said............
"The original Hebrew wording and definition of what is written in Genesis 3 is available on the internet".......

Which is another way of saying----
IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE!.
The original text of Genesis was written in Hebrew ... Don't you know the Pentateuch ?

Explore the Pentateuch: The First 5 Books of the Bible

You have so much to learn......and so little time !!!
 
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Actually I believe you do have theories but you will not allow yourself to believe you could possibly be wrong (except for angels eating). If I had a dollar for every time someone has told me on this forum that they only believe what is written in the scriptures I would take you and your whole family out to dinner.

We all have theories, come on Major admit it. This topic is not so black and white as you paint it. You make your case and I make mine, but I am not buying your I believe the scriptures and they agree with me attitude. I do say that with friendly intentions.


IMHO you have a Major1 conundrum. Pun intended.



Tell us how these (fallen angel / demons) can possess anyone while being in chains in hell? Looking forward to your theory on this question.

The truth here is fallen angels are not demons and all fallen angels are not in chains in hell, and demons currently run wild on this earth, because their time has not yet come..

I do not see a problem at all brother.

Certainly there are devils/fallen angels that effect humanity. If you had been with me on trips to Africa and especially Hattie you would know what I am talking about.

Just a cursory reading of the Scriptures tell us that
many places they went, Jesus and the apostles encountered demonic activity, often manifested in bizarre behavior and physical diseases. In Philippi, Paul cast out a devil that had enslaved a servant girl. Many other incidents of fallen angel possession are recorded in the New Testament so I do not see a conundrum at all.

However, obviously, some devils were so bad that they were placed in chains according to Jude. They are NOT running around doing anything but are incarcerated until the day of judgment.
 
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I do not see a problem at all brother.

Certainly there are devils/fallen angels that effect humanity. If you had been with me on trips to Africa and especially Hattie you would know what I am talking about.

Just a cursory reading of the Scriptures tell us that
many places they went, Jesus and the apostles encountered demonic activity, often manifested in bizarre behavior and physical diseases. In Philippi, Paul cast out a devil that had enslaved a servant girl. Many other incidents of fallen angel possession are recorded in the New Testament so I do not see a conundrum at all.
Jesus refers to [impure spirits] are responsible of cases of human possession ....which refers to the spirits of the Nephilim .Never Jesus refer to these impure spirits... as being fallen angels .

However, obviously, some devils were so bad that they were placed in chains according to Jude. They are NOT running around doing anything but are incarcerated until the day of judgment.
No ..in Jude it is said that these ANGELS SINNED because they have left their own habitation [they have descended on the Earth without God's permission and have done things to interfere with God's creation Genesis 6:1-4]]... Angels have a body immortal ..The difference between humans and angels is that angels have a immortal body and their habitation is elsewhere...
 
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Fallen angels have a physical body
Why do you ignore that Jesus cast out Legion ? :)

Matthew 8:16.........
“Many who were possessed with devils were brought to him, and he drove out the SPIRITS with a word”.

Matthew 10:1 ..........

"And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction."

1 Kings 22:23 ...........

"Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.”

Does the Bible say SPIRITS or men with "Physical bodies".????

Now then, I completely agree with you that Fallen Angels, as spirit beings, have the ability to take possession of a physical body.

But you are working toward trying to prove that DEMONS had sex with women and produced "Giants".
That is where I get off the train my friend.

First of all, The word DEMONS is not a word in the KJV Bible.

Second of all, there is NO Bible Scripture that says fallen angels have a physical body with male gentilia in order to reproduce.

Third, there is NO Scripture in the Bible that says fallen angels can reproduce at all in any way.

Fallen angels do not have corporeal bodies, so the quick answer is that they do not look like anything because they do not generate visual phenomena. Whether they can appear like something physical or not would be difficult to confirm or deny, because they would in such cases look like whatever they were pretending to be. Scripture does describe occasions of holy angels appearing to mortals in human form, but I cannot remember any account of a devil doing this.
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Bible-say-what-the-Devil-Satan-or-demons-look-like

Now, you can stop arguing your case to me. I do not accept what you are saying, never have and never will. There is no such thing as "Hybreds" running around now or 6000 years ago or a million years ago.

If you want to believe that nonsense.........Please, knock yourself out but honestly you can move on from arguing with me. YOU can not win this one my dear friend.
 
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I did not know that! Thank you my friend.
Check Genesis 3 in the original Hebrew language using Strong Concordance KJV....

Just an example In Genesis 1:2 ...the Hebrew word who have been translated in english as meaning WAS .....in the Hebrew language it mean BECAME ...

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Using the correct HEBREW wording ----->here what the text say:

2 And the earth BECAME waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 
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