Debunking the Preterist first century fulfillment of Mt.24:34:

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That's because you are carnal minded. The wicked are destroyed at the second resurrection, a contradiction, when the sheep are separated from the goats, the "Great White Throne judgement," when Mt. 16:28 is fulfilled, the 2nd death, the 2nd resurrection, the 2nd heavenly Yah-ru-shalem city, earth, and heavenly heaven.


Wrong again.

At the coming of the Lord.

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.


6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


Did Jesus go and fight against the Romans???

^_^



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I can speak the truth from the actual scriptures, which are the words of Jesus while you spew your offensive insults and spread the lies of heresy.

Those who claim the resurrection is past have wandered from the truth.


17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-8


who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;



You have been exposed as a heretic.



JLB
Again you're only talking nonsense, because I have posted the facts using scripture that you continue to ignore to spew mimicry. You're not a judge nor do you judge rightly. Heretic is the beam in your eye. And as long as anyone doesn't repeat the spirit of antichrist so-called orthodox teachings, no matter the amount of evidence provided, they're a heretic to you. The spirit of antichrist orthodoxy adherers do not think for themselves nor do they wish to. Because?
 
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The scripture I posted was the words of Christ, from Luke 19:41-44.

Does that matter?

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41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.” Luke 19:41-44


Can you point out in this verse where it says Jesus came in 70 AD, and the resurrection is past?


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[Staff edit].

Jesus was referring to Zechariah, in His teaching at the Olivet Discourse.

It’s that simple.

When you begin to address the scriptures and what they say, you will repent of ever promoting such a far fetched unbiblical doctrine as Preterism.


JLB

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.


6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


Did Jesus go and fight against the Romans???





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Jesus was referring to Zechariah, in His teaching at the Olivet Discourse.

It’s that simple.

When you begin to address the scriptures and what they say, you will repent of ever promoting such a far fetched unbiblical doctrine as Preterism.


JLB

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.


6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


Did Jesus go and fight against the Romans???





JLB
Try taking your own advice. Who's going into captivity in the future? ^_^
 
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Try taking your own advice. Who's going into captivity in the future? ^_^

For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Half of the city will go into captivity.


The bottom line, nothing you say will ever make the resurrection of the dead in Christ past.

The resurrection occurs at His coming and the end of the age, and is for all the Church.

As long as people marry and they can still die, then Jesus has not come and the resurrection of the dead in Christ is future.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 21:34-36

  • the resurrection from the dead,neither marry nor are given inmarriage; nor can they die anymore,

Case Closed.

Preterism is Heresy!
 
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Can you point out in this verse where it says Jesus came in 70 AD, and the resurrection is past?

I have never said either of those things happened in 70 AD.
You must be confusing me with someone else.

The end of Luke 21:24 is the dividing line between past events and future events.

Christ's future Second Coming is found in Luke 21:25-28.

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I have never said either of those things happened in 70 AD.
You must be confusing me with someone else.

The end of Luke 21:24 is the dividing line between past events and future events.

Christ's future Second Coming is found in Luke 21:25-28.

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So you are here in this thread to debunk Preterism?
 
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For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Half of the city will go into captivity.


The bottom line, nothing you say will ever make the resurrection of the dead in Christ past.

The resurrection occurs at His coming and the end of the age, and is for all the Church.

As long as people marry and they can still die, then Jesus has not come and the resurrection of the dead in Christ is future.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 21:34-36

  • the resurrection from the dead,neither marry nor are given inmarriage; nor can they die anymore,

Case Closed.

Preterism is Heresy!
The heresy is you!

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.


1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


What is Christ doctrine? He who confesses Christ has the Son and the Father, and he who doesn't, has none. He who does not abide in this doctrine, does not have the Son or the Father, also. Capiche!

Abide in that and know you're misinterpreting the text, like most of the world.

You don't change or shape doctrine to fit your understanding, but shape and change your understanding to fit the doctrine of Christ. He is the root and the branch. We are grafted into Him and not into the old covenant/the old Israel.
 
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The heresy is you!

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.


1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


What is Christ doctrine? He who confesses Christ has the Son and the Father, and he who doesn't, has none. He who does not abide in this doctrine, does not have the Son or the Father, also. Capiche!

Abide in that and know you're misinterpreting the text, like most of the world.

You don't change or shape doctrine to fit your understanding, but shape and change your understanding to fit the doctrine of Christ. He is the root and the branch. We are grafted into Him and not into the old covenant/the old Israel.


I have yet to see any person in this thread but you, who denies Jesus Christ.


Those who claim that the resurrection is past, deny Jesus Christ and His word to us.

They have strayed from the truth and are heretics.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18


Here is your chance to settle this matter.


Do you confess and believe that Jesus came already and the resurrection is past?


Yes or No?


JLB
 
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So you are here in this thread to debunk Preterism?

Do you understand the difference between partial-preterism and full-preterism?

Also, all partial-preterists do not agree on all things.

The timeline between past and future events is found at the end of Luke 21:24.
Some partial-preterists here would not agree with that.

Based on Luke 19:41-44, and Luke 23:27-31, Christ clearly predicted the events of 70 AD.


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Yes.

Full Preterism is Heresy.

Partial Preterism is partial Heresy.




You will have to write out the scripture with it's context if you want me to address your post.



JLB

Do you think Jesuit Futurism is correct?


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I have yet to see any person in this thread but you, who denies Jesus Christ.


Those who claim that the resurrection is past, deny Jesus Christ and His word to us.

They have strayed from the truth and are heretics.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18


Here is your chance to settle this matter.


Do you confess and believe that Jesus came already and the resurrection is past?


Yes or No?


JLB
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say heresy is saying the resurrection is past nor claiming so is denying Christ. That's blasphemy! But where does it say those who depart from the doctrine of those who do not confess Christ are antichrist and do not have the Father? I posted several. So, you're the heresy, the spirit of antichrist as it is written!

You're trying to cast judgement on me by flipping the script though I have provide the proof many times over, but you're the heretic, the one departing from the faith and doctrine of Christ, as it is written. The nerve of you. ^_^

(This con game is getting old, not to mention the hypocrisy.)
 
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Nowhere in the scriptures does it say heresy is saying the resurrection is past

Heresy is false doctrine that divides the body of Christ.

People who teach the resurrection is past have wandered from the truth and are in error and have become lost.

Read it for yourself.


17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18


who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;


Those who have wandered or strayed from the truth have themselves become lost, and are sinners in need of repentance or they will suffer eternal death.


Read it for yourself as plain as day.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


  • he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

Eternal death awaits those who promote error and false doctrine which is heresy.


Promoting that the resurrection is past is heresy.


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Heresy is false doctrine that divides the body of Christ.

People who teach the resurrection is past have wandered from the truth and are in error and have become lost.

Read it for yourself.


17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18


who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;


Those who have wandered or strayed from the truth have themselves become lost, and are sinners in need of repentance or they will suffer eternal death.


Read it for yourself as plain as day.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


  • he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

Eternal death awaits those who promote error and false doctrine which is heresy.


Promoting that the resurrection is past is heresy.


JLB
There's nothing in the scriptures that says saying the resurrection is past is wandering from the truth. That is your made-up, crazy accusation, especially since I provide proof! But the scriptures do say if anyone preaches a doctrine contrary to the fact that anyone not confessing Christ does not have God, that he does not have God either, which makes you a heretic, because that's what you're preaching. But you can't acknowledge that! You prefer to quote men out of context and condemn me, instead of heeding God's Word, which is hypocritical.

How could I trying to prove the truth of the scriptures with scripted facts be wandering from the truth? How could I trying to prove to you the 1st resurrection happened in heaven be wandering from the truth? That shows how heretical you really are.
 
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"I tell you the truth; this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

Those of us taking a consistently literal interpretation of the entire Olivet Discourse take a differentliteral interpretation of "this generation" than supposed by Dr. Sproul’s suggestion. I believe that the timing of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 is governed by the related phrase "all these things." In other words, Christ is saying that the generation that sees "all these things" occur will not cease to exist until all the events of the future tribulation are literally fulfilled. Frankly, this is both a literal interpretation and one that was not fulfilled in the first century. Christ is not ultimately speaking to His contemporaries, but to the generation to whom the signs of Matthew 24 will become evident. Dr. Darrell Bock, in commenting on the parallel passage to Matthew 24 in Luke’s Gospel concurs:

In spite of the preterist chorus that "this generation" has to refer to the first century, an alternate literalinterpretation relates it to the timing of the fulfillment of other events in context. While it is true that other uses of "this generation" refer to Christ’s contemporaries, that is because they are historicaltexts. The use of "this generation" in the Olivet Discourse in the fig tree passages are prophetic texts. In fact, when one compares the use of "this generation" at the beginning of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 23:36 (which is an undisputed reference to a.d. 70) with the prophetic use in Matthew 24:34, a contrast seems obvious. Jesus is contrasting the deliverance for Israel in Matthew 24:34 with the predicted judgment of Matthew 23:36.

The Preterist Contention In Matthew 24

The most widely used verse in the Bible by preterists in their attempts to establish their thesis concerning Bible prophecy is Matthew 24:34. The much debate passage says, "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (see also Mk 13:30; Lk 21:32).


The Preterist Interpretation

R. C. Sproul says in his recent book, "I am convinced that the substance of the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in a.d. 70 . . ." Ken Gentry, in a recent book where he and I debate this issue, declares of Matthew 24:34: "This statement of Christ is indisputably clear—and absolutely demanding of a first-century fulfillment of the events in the preceding verses, including the Great Tribulation." Gary DeMar believes "that all the events prior to Matthew 24:34 referred to events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d. 70." In fact, DeMar dogmatically declares: "An honest assessment of Scripture can lead to no other conclusion. The integrity of the Bible is at stake in the discussion of the biblical meaning of "this generation." Why does DeMar make such a polarizing, though misguided overstatement? I think it can be understood by Dr. Sproul’s framing of the issue from the following explanation:

The cataclysmic course surrounding the parousia as predicted in the Olivet Discourse obviously did not occur "literally" in A.D. 70. . . . This problem of literal fulfillment leaves us with three basic solutions to interpreting the Olivet Discourse:

The third option is followed by preterists.

Dr. Sproul’s framing of the possible interpretations of "this generation" distorts the first possibility with the perspective of liberalism. How so? Many interpreters, such as myself, interpret the entire discourse literally, but we dogmatically reject any notion "that some elements of Jesus’ prophecy failed to come to pass." This does not mean that we have abandoned literal interpretation, nor does it "logically lead" to a failure in the fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy.


A Literal Interpretation

Those of us taking a consistently literal interpretation of the entire Olivet Discourse take a differentliteral interpretation of "this generation" than supposed by Dr. Sproul’s suggestion. I believe that the timing of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 is governed by the related phrase "all these things." In other words, Christ is saying that the generation that sees "all these things" occur will not cease to exist until all the events of the future tribulation are literally fulfilled. Frankly, this is both a literal interpretation and one that was not fulfilled in the first century. Christ is not ultimately speaking to His contemporaries, but to the generation to whom the signs of Matthew 24 will become evident. Dr. Darrell Bock, in commenting on the parallel passage to Matthew 24 in Luke’s Gospel concurs:

What Jesus is saying is that the generation that sees the beginning of the end, also sees its end. When the signs come, they will proceed quickly; they will not drag on for many generations. It will happen within a generation. . . . The tradition reflected in Revelation shows that the consummation comes very quickly once it comes. . . . Nonetheless, in the discourse's prophetic context, the remark comes after making comments about the nearness of the end to certain signs. As such it is the issue of the signs that controls the passage's force, making this view likely. If this view is correct, Jesus says that when the signs of the beginning of the end come, then the end will come relatively quickly, within a generation.

In spite of the preterist chorus that "this generation" has to refer to the first century, an alternate literalinterpretation relates it to the timing of the fulfillment of other events in context. While it is true that other uses of "this generation" refer to Christ’s contemporaries, that is because they are historicaltexts. The use of "this generation" in the Olivet Discourse in the fig tree passages are prophetic texts. In fact, when one compares the use of "this generation" at the beginning of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 23:36 (which is an undisputed reference to a.d. 70) with the prophetic use in Matthew 24:34, a contrast seems obvious. Jesus is contrasting the deliverance for Israel in Matthew 24:34 with the predicted judgment of Matthew 23:36.


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For the complete article: http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/Preterism.html


Quasar92

This is refreshing to see on this forum. I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, none of Matt. 24 and 25 has been fulfilled yet, with the exception of verses 1 & 2, the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

Cheers
 
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There's nothing in the scriptures that says saying the resurrection is past is wandering from the truth.

Denying what the scriptures so plainly say will not change them.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18


  • who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;


Those who claim The coming of the Lord was in 70 AD, and the resurrection is past, have strayed from the truth.


The message of the resurrection is past, Preterism, is a cancer, and those who spread this message are heretics.



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The message of the resurrection is past, Preterism, is a cancer, and those who spread this message are heretics.

I will agree that those who claim the bodily resurrection and judgment in John 5:27-30 is past, would be in the ditch.

And Jesuit Futurism is the ditch on the opposite side of the road.


Genesis of Dispensational Theology


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