How can God be simultaneously a Trinity of Persons, and yet one?

tampasteve said:

To Trinitarianism, this is also a heresy, Theism. Theism denies the unity of the Godhead by explaining the Godhead as three distinct and unalike parts, as the different parts of the egg are. This analogy would be similar to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) where there are three persons unified in thought, will, and purpose, but they are not a unified Godhead of the same substance.

This is the inherent issue with trying to use simple analogies to describe something that is difficult to comprehend, something that is beyond our ability to fully understand.

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It’s simple really and the Bible isn’t hard to understand.
There is the Father, There is the Son, and There is the Holy Spirit.
Now we know what a father is
We know what a son is
And we know what a Spirit is. We are spirit.
The Holy Spirit is who The Father is
The Holy Spirit is the same spirit of Christ
The Holy Spirit is The person who makes up The Father and The Son

We know there is The Father and The Son because of many scriptures
I like the seated at the right Hand of The Father, it shows There are 2 people of equal power. Nowhere in scripture does it say The Holy Spirit is to the left, or right, up or down in the throne, but clearly it speaks about The Holy Spirit. So where is He?? Where is the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead??
We need to think logically about what Spirit actually is.
I am a father and have a child but my spirit is not something that is physical, it’s what’s inside of me

On the day of judgment, I will see the Father and The Son and will see The Holy Spirit within them. Unless of course God can separate His Holy Spirit and have Him floating around like the guy from power rangers but I doubt that will happen because The Father will not have the Holy Spirit within Him making God not Holy.

Another passage is the Holy Spirit agrees with our Spirit to assure us we are Gods children.
Now Gods Spirit we cannot see but we know He is there. We cannot touch or smell but we know He is there.
So
The Spirit of God is Holy
The Spirit of Christ is Holy
The Spirit is The Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is who God and The Son are

The Holy Spirit is
Wisdom
Guide
Comforter
Healer
Helper
Points to Jesus
And the list goes on but rest assured, we cannot see Him because He is not physical. His name says it all SPIRIT

So now this is the trinity
The father has a begotten Son and the Holy Spirit dwells within them.
Jesus said The Father and I are one. Nowhere does He say The Father and The Holy Spirit and I are one, yet the trinity exists.

Hope this helps and if I’m wrong and can prove otherwise, please share with me as I would hate to be in error.
God is not a God of confusion, we confuse things when we create something that’s not written in scripture.

One last thing,
Jesus said when he departed that he will send The Holy Spirit. The world cannot see Him because they don’t know Him.
When Christians become Christians, they receive the Holy Spirit and correct me if I am wrong but The Holy Spirit dwells within them. He doesn’t join us physically. To further boast my point, when Jesus said we will come and dwell within you, it doesn’t mean The Father and The Son leave Heaven and physically live in us, They simply live in us through the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that The Father and Jesus has.
There is no other explanation of how the Holy Spirit is a physical being yet is part of The trinity.

Just remember we also have a spirit, it’s who we are. When we receive the Holy Spirit, we are transformed by Him into the image of Jesus, without Him, we are dead ( spiritually dead and separated from God)

tampasteve said:

To Trinitarianism, this is also a heresy, Theism. Theism denies the unity of the Godhead by explaining the Godhead as three distinct and unalike parts, as the different parts of the egg are.

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Actually, this only appears to be the case ... to our eyes and senses.

The shell, the white, and the yolk are all made of the SAME basic substance (i.e. protons, neutrons, and electrons), ... just arranged somewhat differently.

All creation is, at its basest level, ... made of the same stuff ...

The Godhead is a Team of 3. The team is called GOD.
You have player 1 GOD the Father
player 2 GOD the Son
player 3 GOD the Holy Ghost.
You can address all three or address 1 individually.

jwilliams190800 said:

This is something that's bugged me for quite a while and I can't seem to get my head around it.
I constantly see things which, to my mind, seem to contradict, sometimes God is referred to as part or the whole of the Holy Trinity, but then in the Creeds, we profess that we believe in one God.
In short, I struggle with the idea of 3-in-1 and 1-in-3 aspect of God

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If you had the power to make my words a living Entity - with its own accord and mobility - then it wouldn't be such a big deal I would think. Trinity is three in one, just like binity is two in one.


You are getting a glimpse of TRINITY when you join in BINITY with a mate - this is a glimpse of one flesh being two (by choice.)

You are getting a glimpse into TRINITY when you find your mate, and your spirits are also in unity under a Godly dominion (and especially if you pro-create.)


We can't even understand BINITY, because we confuse it with DUALITY - duality is the illusion of the relationship between two juxtaposed things. Good and evil, right and wrong, left and right, up and down. We think in terms of DUALITY because the "fruit" of the "tree" of "knowledge of good, and evil" was/is a deception that translates one's spiritual trajectory from one of "numerically" expressive unity (unity, binity, trinity, etc.) to make an image of it.

1am3laine said:

The Godhead is a Team of 3. The team is called GOD.
You have player 1 GOD the Father
player 2 GOD the Son
player 3 GOD the Holy Ghost.
You can address all three or address 1 individually.

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I like that !!

DW1980 said:

Hi

I don't know I agree with everything on this site, but it has a very useful article on the Trinity at
Jesus Christ our Creator: A biblical defence of the Trinity - creation.com

It is one God, who exists as three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each is fully God. I think we can understand the doctrine, but getting our heads round the reality is impossible!

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Adam is one Adam, and exists in a multiplying billionity of persons.
How many persons are in Adam? More than the stars of heaven?
Adam is one spirit (Malachi 3:15), one flesh, one blood, one bone. Adam is created male and female persons.

YHWH is Spirit, Life, Breath, self existing in 3 Persons, with one image, in whose image (which was to and is come), Adam is made.
Romans 5:14, Genesis 1:26 -28.

tampasteve said:

But it really is not that simple.

Yes, that is true.

I am in agreement.

Well, actually we are both. We have a physical body and a spirit.

No, that would be a heresy. The Holy Spirit is a part of the Trinity, is God, but it is not who the Father is or the "same spirit of Christ". This would not be a trinity but would be a dual-Godhead.

This not meant as literal, Jesus is not sitting at the right hand of God. God has no hands, has no body to sit, cannot be contained to a single space, unlike Jesus who has a glorified body in Heaven. The "right hand" is used through scripture to denote the power, intimacy, and authority of God. It means Jesus has the same power and authority as the Father.

As St. John of Damascus says:

We do not speak of the Father’s right hand as of a place, for how can a place be designated by His right hand, who Himself is beyond all place? …But we style, as the Father’s right hand, the glory and honour of the Godhead.​

God raised Jesus from the dead, God the Father, God the Spirit, and God Jesus himself. We cannot just say the Spirit did. Here is a good article on this subject: Link
Acts 2:24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”


We will not see God in the typical sense, He has no body like Jesus. We will see the light, the unapproachable light:
1 Timothy 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see.
We will see Jesus as he has a glorified body and Revelations tells us He will be visible. We might see the Spirit as we know the spirit can take different visible forms (such as the dove). But to believe that we would see two distinct persons would be more like the LDS (Mormon) Church where there is God the Father and God Jesus Christ, unified in thought and will, but two distinct persons. In other words, maybe, but not according to Trinitarian thought.

I refer back to the Athanasian Creed, a foundational exposition of Trinitrarian thought and belief and based on Biblical foundations. In part:

That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal.​

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If God is spirit as we know He is, and then there is The Holy Spirit, and since The Father is also Holy = Holy Spirit, then there is 2 Holy spirits and that is not the case because there is only one God.
I believe in the trinity, and I believe we will see the Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit we will see through both of them.

Please show me in a simplified way through scripture how there will be Jesus on His throne, The Father will be the light and The Holy Spirit will take some sort of shape.

I know there will be no more sunlight because Gods glory will be the light
I know the Holy Spirit descended like a dove from heaven when Jesus was baptised
But please show me where there will be Jesus and 2 spirits of God because make no mistake, there is a trinity

tampasteve said:

Well, sure it is at the atomic level. However, that is not really how the analogy is presented or represented. The analogy is meant to show the Trinity but falls short as God cannot be divided into different parts as an egg can. God and the Trinity are of one essence.

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So explain how Jesus left heaven for earth
How Jesus when he accented said he will send the Holy Spirit ?.
Because if they cannot be divided as you say, and the Holy Spirit is among us, where is Jesus because the last time I checked he is in heaven and he has gone to prepare the rooms in the fathers mansion prior to his return

DW1980 said:

Hi

I don't know I agree with everything on this site, but it has a very useful article on the Trinity at
Jesus Christ our Creator: A biblical defence of the Trinity - creation.com

It is one God, who exists as three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each is fully God. I think we can understand the doctrine, but getting our heads round the reality is impossible!

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There is plenty of evidence indeed for Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Scripture; and plenty of evidence also about how the Three Persons work together in redemption!

faroukfarouk said:

There is plenty of evidence indeed for Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Scripture; and plenty of evidence also about how the Three Persons work together in redemption!

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Agreed, because we are born of The Holy Spirit we are doomed, on the contrary he seals us against judgment

jwilliams190800 said:

In short, I struggle with the idea of 3-in-1 and 1-in-3 aspect of God

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I never struggle too much with things that make no sense whatsoever, especially when man is in the kitchen cooking it all up.

RaymondG said:

The more people try to explain it, the more confusing things will become.

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I've noticed that as well, and there is a simple reason for it.

Unfortunately, I've said enough already and the site doesn't allow disagreement on this. I'm not even a Christian as far as they are concerned, and for no other reason than I don't go for a man made philosophy...nothing more nothing less.

BTW, if I may, (and I probably may not. ) something really needs to be done about that.

All men and women are in fact sons and daughters of God. By faith we may realize this ennobling truth. That was the "good news" of the gospel.

Jesus had asked his apostles to keep his identity a secret until after he left. That's when we began to speculate. Exiting Greek concepts of the Trinity was merged with facts associated with the life of Jesus. The Trinity as we know it in Christianity was born.

I've heard two analogies.

One is to think of an apple. There is the skin or peel, and white fruit, and core. Three different parts, but all an apple.

The other was an egg. There is the shell, the white of the egg, and yolk. Three different parts, but all an egg.

In each of these examples, the different parts have different roles, and they can be separated from one another, but they are all a still part of the same thing.

Colter, did anyone ever tell you, you look like you're up to no good in your picture?

Kenny'sID said:

Colter, did anyone ever tell you, you look like you're up to no good in your picture?

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No, just that my pond is frozen.

We are all born into Christianity, but I’m a thinker. Jesus was also a thinker. Upon his first visit to the temple he asked questions as well.