Was Miller a False Prophet/Teacher?

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Do you believe "Sunday" observance is the mark of the beast?

I believe someday it will become the issue. That is, if and when worship on Sunday would become a civil law enforced. Right now it is not civilly enforced, we have choice. So is it the mark of the beast now? No. I do believe in the end it will be the dividing factor.

Daniel 7

He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;

The law of most importance, eternal law, the 10 commandments. The only verse that has reference to "time" is the 4th.

Mark 2 (Jesus said) He is Lord over the Sabbath.

27And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Jesus and all the disciples kept the 7th day Sabbath. It has not ... was not changed by Jesus ... worship on Sunday is a "man made" worship day.

In the beginning he blessed the 7th day and made it holy.
 
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Consider this. It is the early 1800s. For almost 2000 years the teaching of the second coming has been lost and forgotten except for the odd partial inference among some of the reformers. On the whole, the teachings of the second coming have been lost in a sea of error, superstition, and unbelief.
Then on several different continents, without any reference to one another or correspondence, a number of preachers from a variety of faith backgrounds begin to study prophecy, and in particular Daniel. From these studies they all came to the same conclusion. That Christ was returning to the earth soon. Many of them agreed even to the time...sometime around 1840. How did they all arrive at this date, and why would they all agree as to the event then so imminent? Were they really deceived? Or were they all, including Miller, simply relating what God had taught them through His Spirit in order to wake up His sleeping peope and give the church a giant shove forward in order to make them aware of the times and season in which they lived?
God wanted to, needed to give the church time to organise itself into some semblance of order in order to deliver the final messages of hope to mankind before He came in power and glory to take as many home with Him as possible. The only way was a shock tactic. That He hid for a time the real event, the date nevertheless was the real thing. Prophecy unerringly points to October 1844 as a date of significance. That He hid the real event for a time had its effect. Read the history of the great awakening. So what that people were mistaken? It wake them up to eternal realities...it brought the church into a place which resulted in genuine heartfelt intense prayer, Bible study, evangelism, repentance. And it also made the church aware of the times in which we today much better understand as being the end times. After 1844, the adventists set no further times or dates, though they did believe the second coming was going to be in their lifetime. Nothing wrong with that. So did Paul.
Miller never proclaimed himself as a prophet, nor did anyone else. He was just a humble farmer who heeded God's calling upon his life and against great odds, opposition, and persecution, called people to repentance. Just as Wolfe did in the Middle East and in the US...just as others did in Africa, Australia, Europe, and South America. All with God's message..."wake up for I am coming". But for that message, perhaps wrongly attributed to a date that was later better understood, the church today would likely still be slumbering, lifeless, and in a state of worldliness and lethargy. The Great awakening was what the world-wide church desperately needed. And eventually brought to us a greater understanding of Bible prophecy and through a correct interpretation of the event of 1844 an understanding of the ministry of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary and a more deeper appreciation of the atonement and the grace and mercy God has for us.

Throughout biblical history "man" has "gotten things wrong" that is ... misunderstood. That does not make them false prophets. There has been and is a progression of knowledge and will continue to be.

Daniel 12

4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will goback and forth, and knowledge will increase.
 
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I believe someday it will become the issue. That is, if and when worship on Sunday would become a civil law enforced. Right now it is not civilly enforced, we have choice. So is it the mark of the beast now? No. I do believe in the end it will be the dividing factor.

Seems unlikely, considering that everything is moving in the opposite direction. Hardly any admonitions or laws about Sunday closings, etc. exist anymore, although they did when I was a boy. Even casual events like a flea market makes only the weakest of concessions to Sunday religious observance by, for example, opening at noon instead of 10 AM.
 
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I believe someday it will become the issue. That is, if and when worship on Sunday would become a civil law enforced. Right now it is not civilly enforced, we have choice. So is it the mark of the beast now? No. I do believe in the end it will be the dividing factor.

Daniel 7

He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;

The law of most importance, eternal law, the 10 commandments. The only verse that has reference to "time" is the 4th.

Mark 2 (Jesus said) He is Lord over the Sabbath.

27And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Jesus and all the disciples kept the 7th day Sabbath. It has not ... was not changed by Jesus ... worship on Sunday is a "man made" worship day.

In the beginning he blessed the 7th day and made it holy.
For the record, I believe in the 7th day sabbath, friday sundown to saturday sundown, im not in any way associated with 7th day adventism.

You follow the teachings of Ellen G. White, and her interpretation of the mark of the beast being sunday observance, a teaching in error in my opinion.
 
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We're all prone to error.

That's why, as teachers of the Word, we are to take great care.

Miller admitted his error and repented, I'd presume ...

Deuteronomy 18:20-22..............
"But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. "
 
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Ellen made many false predictions, like at the conference in 1856 below, Jesus didnt return in their life time.

Same false predictions as Miller some 12 years earlier.

EGW: "I was shown the company present at the Conference, Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." Ellen G. White, 1 Testimonies, p. 131-132. May 27, 1856.

Romans 16:18...........
"For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naïve".
 
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Do you believe "Sunday" observance is the mark of the beast?

NO!

That is strictly a 7 Day Adventist teaching that goes all the way back to their inception.

It would be helpful for ALL of those who follow that erroneousness teaching to know that the MAN who is the Antichrist in Rev.13 is asking to be worshipped.

This happens when Israel flees out from the country because he is the one ‘who makes desolate.’ The abomination of desolation is a HE, and he is the one who signs a peace treaty and declares himself God in the temple (2 Thess.2). No one can buy or sell without this number of HIS name.
 
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Seems unlikely, considering that everything is moving in the opposite direction. Hardly any admonitions or laws about Sunday closings, etc. exist anymore, although they did when I was a boy. Even casual events like a flea market makes only the weakest of concessions to Sunday religious observance by, for example, opening at noon instead of 10 AM.
In Europe the opposite is the case, particularly in countries with a strong Catholic background such as Germany and Poland. And the church there is politicking very hard to get Sunday fully established as a day dedicated to family and worship. Even environmental reasons are being promoted in its support. Investigate the current lobbying in European circles by the pope, and his several recent encyclicals on various subjects which inevitably include some reference to the "sad loss of sacredness" on that day, or similar sentiments. In America of course, its a slower process. But that doesn't negate the prophecies regarding the mark. And one doesn't need E G White to substantiate the mar as being Sunday legislation.
From another perspective, consider what took place on 9/11. Everyone and his bet budgie went to church. Bush even addressed the nation from a pulpit, demanding support in his coming "war on terror" saying "who is not for us is against us". :preach::swoon:
Now in considering what is yet to come to our planet...a crisis the extent to which is beyond our imagination, imagine if you will the response of the general public who in abject fear and trembling at the magnitude of disasters and perplexities that the Bible says even the rulers of the earth have no answers. (Luke 21:25). Will not the churches then be overcrowded with those who in fear and self-preservation seek deliverance from all their troubles? Will not 'religion' then be exalted as the only solution? How long you think before religious leaders recommend a return to 'primitive Christianity' and Sunday "sacredness" one of the very first steps along that route? They will have no objection from the Sunday lobby within Protestantism, nor from the Catholics. Evangelicals? If the Baptists remember their roots, maybe they will oppose the legislative aspect of it at first because of the religious freedom implications, but for how long when fines, jail, threats of destitution and closed access to buying and selling are used as incentives? Jews at first will have no problem with the Sunday part. Their Sabbath observances have so many restrictions that a day off just for family will be welcome relief.
But as in history, Sunday laws inevitably led to persecution to Sabbath keepers. Both in the early centuries of the church after Constantine, throughout the middle ages against such as the Waldenses and Albigenses many of whom still observed the Sabbath, and the Celtic church in Britain, who did likewise. Then of course more recent history in your own nation with the Sunday blue laws where those who refused to honour the day, including Sabbath keepers, were persecuted.
We are just one major disaster away from totalitarianism. And in the current climate under Trump, I would suggest Christian totalitarianism.
 
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In Europe the opposite is the case, particularly in countries with a strong Catholic background such as Germany and Poland. And the church there is politicking very hard to get Sunday fully established as a day dedicated to family and worship. Even environmental reasons are being promoted in its support. Investigate the current lobbying in European circles by the pope, and his several recent encyclicals on various subjects which inevitably include some reference to the "sad loss of sacredness" on that day, or similar sentiments. In America of course, its a slower process. But that doesn't negate the prophecies regarding the mark. And one doesn't need E G White to substantiate the mar as being Sunday legislation.
From another perspective, consider what took place on 9/11. Everyone and his bet budgie went to church. Bush even addressed the nation from a pulpit, demanding support in his coming "war on terror" saying "who is not for us is against us". :preach::swoon:
Now in considering what is yet to come to our planet...a crisis the extent to which is beyond our imagination, imagine if you will the response of the general public who in abject fear and trembling at the magnitude of disasters and perplexities that the Bible says even the rulers of the earth have no answers. (Luke 21:25). Will not the churches then be overcrowded with those who in fear and self-preservation seek deliverance from all their troubles? Will not 'religion' then be exalted as the only solution? How long you think before religious leaders recommend a return to 'primitive Christianity' and Sunday "sacredness" one of the very first steps along that route? They will have no objection from the Sunday lobby within Protestantism, nor from the Catholics. Evangelicals? If the Baptists remember their roots, maybe they will oppose the legislative aspect of it at first because of the religious freedom implications, but for how long when fines, jail, threats of destitution and closed access to buying and selling are used as incentives? Jews at first will have no problem with the Sunday part. Their Sabbath observances have so many restrictions that a day off just for family will be welcome relief.
But as in history, Sunday laws inevitably led to persecution to Sabbath keepers. Both in the early centuries of the church after Constantine, throughout the middle ages against such as the Waldenses and Albigenses many of whom still observed the Sabbath, and the Celtic church in Britain, who did likewise. Then of course more recent history in your own nation with the Sunday blue laws where those who refused to honour the day, including Sabbath keepers, were persecuted.
We are just one major disaster away from totalitarianism. And in the current climate under Trump, I would suggest Christian totalitarianism.
The mark of the beast is not Sunday blue laws, get real.

You now have to symbolize forehead and right hand to get Ellen G. Whites false teaching to work.
 
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In Europe the opposite is the case, particularly in countries with a strong Catholic background such as Germany and Poland. And the church there is politicking very hard to get Sunday fully established as a day dedicated to family and worship. Even environmental reasons are being promoted in its support. Investigate the current lobbying in European circles by the pope, and his several recent encyclicals on various subjects which inevitably include some reference to the "sad loss of sacredness" on that day, or similar sentiments. In America of course, its a slower process. But that doesn't negate the prophecies regarding the mark. And one doesn't need E G White to substantiate the mar as being Sunday legislation.
From another perspective, consider what took place on 9/11. Everyone and his bet budgie went to church. Bush even addressed the nation from a pulpit, demanding support in his coming "war on terror" saying "who is not for us is against us". :preach::swoon:
Now in considering what is yet to come to our planet...a crisis the extent to which is beyond our imagination, imagine if you will the response of the general public who in abject fear and trembling at the magnitude of disasters and perplexities that the Bible says even the rulers of the earth have no answers. (Luke 21:25). Will not the churches then be overcrowded with those who in fear and self-preservation seek deliverance from all their troubles? Will not 'religion' then be exalted as the only solution? How long you think before religious leaders recommend a return to 'primitive Christianity' and Sunday "sacredness" one of the very first steps along that route? They will have no objection from the Sunday lobby within Protestantism, nor from the Catholics. Evangelicals? If the Baptists remember their roots, maybe they will oppose the legislative aspect of it at first because of the religious freedom implications, but for how long when fines, jail, threats of destitution and closed access to buying and selling are used as incentives? Jews at first will have no problem with the Sunday part. Their Sabbath observances have so many restrictions that a day off just for family will be welcome relief.
But as in history, Sunday laws inevitably led to persecution to Sabbath keepers. Both in the early centuries of the church after Constantine, throughout the middle ages against such as the Waldenses and Albigenses many of whom still observed the Sabbath, and the Celtic church in Britain, who did likewise. Then of course more recent history in your own nation with the Sunday blue laws where those who refused to honour the day, including Sabbath keepers, were persecuted.
We are just one major disaster away from totalitarianism. And in the current climate under Trump, I would suggest Christian totalitarianism.


The real antichrist will be a thousand times more diabolic than anything you can imagine.

The antichrist won't tell you to worship the Christian God on Sunday. The antichrist will oppose all Christian belief and persecute all Christian worship.
 
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The real antichrist will be a thousand times more diabolic than anything you can imagine.

The antichrist won't tell you to worship the Christian God on Sunday. The antichrist will oppose all Christian belief and persecute all Christian worship.
The real Antichrist has already been persecuting Christians for over a thousand years...how much worse can any future individual be than that? And you are right that he won't enforce worship of the Christian God on Sunday. He will enforce the worship of himself on Sunday. Counterfeit worship. Counterfeit faith. Counterfeit god. Counterfeit sacred day. And Christians are already deceived because they don't accept the obvious fulfilment of prophecy. They're looking for some future individual who cannot possibly fulfil all the criteria demanded of the Antichrist in prophecy.
 
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The mark of the beast is not Sunday blue laws, get real.

You now have to symbolize forehead and right hand to get Ellen G. Whites false teaching to work.
It's the Bible teaching...she just happens to agree with it. Of course its symbolic...unless you think that the seal of God, which is the precise opposite, is also a literal mark.
 
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We are just one major disaster away from totalitarianism. And in the current climate under Trump, I would suggest Christian totalitarianism.
After that careful and lengthy treatment of the subject, I'm wondering how you could possibly have gotten the concluding statement exactly backwards. :sigh:
 
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In Europe the opposite is the case, particularly in countries with a strong Catholic background such as Germany and Poland. And the church there is politicking very hard to get Sunday fully established as a day dedicated to family and worship. Even environmental reasons are being promoted in its support. Investigate the current lobbying in European circles by the pope, and his several recent encyclicals on various subjects which inevitably include some reference to the "sad loss of sacredness" on that day, or similar sentiments. In America of course, its a slower process. But that doesn't negate the prophecies regarding the mark. And one doesn't need E G White to substantiate the mar as being Sunday legislation.
From another perspective, consider what took place on 9/11. Everyone and his bet budgie went to church. Bush even addressed the nation from a pulpit, demanding support in his coming "war on terror" saying "who is not for us is against us". :preach::swoon:
Now in considering what is yet to come to our planet...a crisis the extent to which is beyond our imagination, imagine if you will the response of the general public who in abject fear and trembling at the magnitude of disasters and perplexities that the Bible says even the rulers of the earth have no answers. (Luke 21:25). Will not the churches then be overcrowded with those who in fear and self-preservation seek deliverance from all their troubles? Will not 'religion' then be exalted as the only solution? How long you think before religious leaders recommend a return to 'primitive Christianity' and Sunday "sacredness" one of the very first steps along that route? They will have no objection from the Sunday lobby within Protestantism, nor from the Catholics. Evangelicals? If the Baptists remember their roots, maybe they will oppose the legislative aspect of it at first because of the religious freedom implications, but for how long when fines, jail, threats of destitution and closed access to buying and selling are used as incentives? Jews at first will have no problem with the Sunday part. Their Sabbath observances have so many restrictions that a day off just for family will be welcome relief.
But as in history, Sunday laws inevitably led to persecution to Sabbath keepers. Both in the early centuries of the church after Constantine, throughout the middle ages against such as the Waldenses and Albigenses many of whom still observed the Sabbath, and the Celtic church in Britain, who did likewise. Then of course more recent history in your own nation with the Sunday blue laws where those who refused to honour the day, including Sabbath keepers, were persecuted.
We are just one major disaster away from totalitarianism. And in the current climate under Trump, I would suggest Christian totalitarianism.

That is a lot of wonderful personal information and current news comments but there is not one single word of Scripture that would support SUNDAY as the Mark of the beast.

The Mark of the beast according to the Scriptures is not a day of the week.

I need to also add that the man who is the Antichrist in Rev.13 is asking to be worshipped. This happens when Israel flees out from the country because he is the one ‘who makes desolate.’ The abomination of desolation is a he, and he is the one who signs a peace treaty and declares himself God in the temple (2 Thess.2). No one can buy or sell without this number of HIS name.

The Bible teaches us in typology there have been many antichrists. They were all men not an office. Nebuchadnezzar was a type of anti Christ having made an image made of gold and people were to bow down to it. Haman in the book of Esther was a type of the Antichrist trying to wipe out the Jews and having them bow down to someone who was not God. Pharaoh was a type of an antichrist who was worshipped as God. Pharaoh and his army came after the children of Israel like the future antichrist does in Rev.12. Nero was a type of the antichrist asking people to bow down to him and killing Christians who would not. But there is one who at the end of time rules the whole world and unites all the religions and people and persecutes the church. Adventists think they will be immune to this because they don't worship on Sunday but Saturday.
The fallacy of the Mark of the Beast being Sunday
 
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For those who have not seen or been taught how the mark of the beast/seal of God are applied from scripture, here's a short summary. I am not a theologian or a particularly advanced Bible scholar, nor am I a wordsmith such as so many are on this forum, so I am sorry if it is a little hard to follow, nevertheless, here tis...
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.
...so His divine power has provided us with all things that pertain to life and godliness (no excuse for sin there) and this godliness comes to us through our knowledge of Him. (See John 17:3...this is a salvational issue). What is this divine power? It is creative power. It is that power which makes us new creatures in Christ. It is the power which raised Christ from the dead...the same power that raises us from self-replicating moral viruses into the righteousness of Christ...
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all
.....what is Paul suggesting here? In Romans he says sin shall no longer have dominion over us, and above we see that the same power that gave Jesus dominion over all things, is the same power that works in us, that we, through partaking of the divine nature and believing the promises of God, may have dominion over sin! Sadly, many people do not believe this possible. We hear constantly that whilst in this flesh, we will continue to sin until Jesus comes...maybe even beyond that!! How can anyone overcome if their faith cannot grasp the wonderful promises that guarantee victory?

.....

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust....however, our partaking of that divine nature (which separates us from the world) comes by way of promises, therefore nothing is automatic...promises are received by faith. Now where else may we see a similar promise?

Romans 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
....God has predetermined that those who come to Him in faith, grasping the promises, will be conformed into the image of His Son!!! This folks is not about appearance. This is about character. The divine nature Paul is referring to is not omnisience or omnipresence or any other omni...it's about righteousness and character.

Let me take you somewhere else for a moment...in Revelation another promise is that the Father's name will be written in our foreheads. Now don't think for a moment that we are all going to be literally tattooed on our brows with YAHWEH or any of His numerous other names or titles, no. I love Exodus 33 and 34, where Moses was talking with God and pleaded with God that He would go with them. Then Moses had the audacity...faith and confidence...to ask God ....

Exodus 33:18-23

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory...
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 34:5-8
5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.


I truly hope you can make the connections here. We are promised the divine nature...His character...His righteousness. God's glory is His character. His character is found in His name.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


Now let's go back to that promise in Revelation concerning the Father's name in our foreheads. Elsewhere is the promise of the seal of God in the forehead. While it is true that the sealing is integral to the character and a settling into truth by the Spirit of God, both spiritually and intellectually, a seal in human terms is bound up in law...it is a guarantee that a law has been approved/ratified by the reigning monarch/president/minister. The laws of God are transcripts of His character. We are informed elsewhere that God shall write His laws in our hearts and on His mind...I strongly suggest, though I know this is unpopular, that the mark of the beast is not a literal mark on the skin but an attitude of mind...a state of mind that has accepted the same mindset as the beast; that agrees with the beast power on matters of spiritual truth and doctrine. Where is the mind? Is it not in our forehead? Are we not sealed by the Spirit in our foreheads? Is not the name of the Father written in our forehead? Are we not promised that we may be partakers of the divine nature...the righteousness of Christ? Is not our character first established in the mind?
I also strongly suggest that the divinity we are promised is bound up in the laws of God and the character of God.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

This character of the divine, is promised and available today. It means dominion over sin which is transgression against the law. It means that by faith and the sure knowledge of the one who has promised, we may overcome, in this life!!!
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.....
.....21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Everything I am relating to you is part and parcel with the gospel. Thus it is salvational.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Revelation 14:6-7

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


The whole gospel is bound up in obedience to God's commandments and reflecting His character of love to mankind. We are called, as an integral part of that same everlasting gospel, to fear God, give Him glory, but notice which God we are called to honour...in Revelation 14:7 it is the God who made...the Creator God who made heaven and earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters. Where else do we find such words?

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:...


Why is God worthy of glory and honour which the everlasting gospel requires of us???

....for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Now, how can we fully give God that glory due Him when we ignore this??

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.....

...11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


How can we fully honour the Creator when we ignore that which completed creation? Was not the Sabbath also created by God for man to enjoy and through its blessing honour Him who made it? How is the law complete...how is the character of God honoured...how can we give all glory to Him as He deserves when we sell ourselves short of complete revelation?

Final thought. The seal spoken of in Revelation is not just an intellectual and spiritual settling into truth by the power of the holy Spirit, but can also be a literal seal pertaining to God's law. Without the 4th commandment identifying the Creator as the God of that law, whose law would it be? Any man, angel, or group or institution could come up with a set of laws similar to the ten commandments. But like the seal of POTUS, which gives the laws of the land an official stamp of approval from the ruling authority, identifying his name, rank, and territory over which he resides, so also does the 4th commandment act as God's seal on His holy law. To set it aside is to rob the law of its authority and power.
 
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For those who have not seen or been taught how the mark of the beast/seal of God are applied from scripture, here's a short summary. I am not a theologian or a particularly advanced Bible scholar, nor am I a wordsmith such as so many are on this forum, so I am sorry if it is a little hard to follow, nevertheless, here tis...
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.
...so His divine power has provided us with all things that pertain to life and godliness (no excuse for sin there) and this godliness comes to us through our knowledge of Him. (See John 17:3...this is a salvational issue). What is this divine power? It is creative power. It is that power which makes us new creatures in Christ. It is the power which raised Christ from the dead...the same power that raises us from self-replicating moral viruses into the righteousness of Christ...
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all
.....what is Paul suggesting here? In Romans he says sin shall no longer have dominion over us, and above we see that the same power that gave Jesus dominion over all things, is the same power that works in us, that we, through partaking of the divine nature and believing the promises of God, may have dominion over sin! Sadly, many people do not believe this possible. We hear constantly that whilst in this flesh, we will continue to sin until Jesus comes...maybe even beyond that!! How can anyone overcome if their faith cannot grasp the wonderful promises that guarantee victory?

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4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust....however, our partaking of that divine nature (which separates us from the world) comes by way of promises, therefore nothing is automatic...promises are received by faith. Now where else may we see a similar promise?

Romans 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
....God has predetermined that those who come to Him in faith, grasping the promises, will be conformed into the image of His Son!!! This folks is not about appearance. This is about character. The divine nature Paul is referring to is not omnisience or omnipresence or any other omni...it's about righteousness and character.

Let me take you somewhere else for a moment...in Revelation another promise is that the Father's name will be written in our foreheads. Now don't think for a moment that we are all going to be literally tattooed on our brows with YAHWEH or any of His numerous other names or titles, no. I love Exodus 33 and 34, where Moses was talking with God and pleaded with God that He would go with them. Then Moses had the audacity...faith and confidence...to ask God ....

Exodus 33:18-23

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory...
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 34:5-8
5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.


I truly hope you can make the connections here. We are promised the divine nature...His character...His righteousness. God's glory is His character. His character is found in His name.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


Now let's go back to that promise in Revelation concerning the Father's name in our foreheads. Elsewhere is the promise of the seal of God in the forehead. While it is true that the sealing is integral to the character and a settling into truth by the Spirit of God, both spiritually and intellectually, a seal in human terms is bound up in law...it is a guarantee that a law has been approved/ratified by the reigning monarch/president/minister. The laws of God are transcripts of His character. We are informed elsewhere that God shall write His laws in our hearts and on His mind...I strongly suggest, though I know this is unpopular, that the mark of the beast is not a literal mark on the skin but an attitude of mind...a state of mind that has accepted the same mindset as the beast; that agrees with the beast power on matters of spiritual truth and doctrine. Where is the mind? Is it not in our forehead? Are we not sealed by the Spirit in our foreheads? Is not the name of the Father written in our forehead? Are we not promised that we may be partakers of the divine nature...the righteousness of Christ? Is not our character first established in the mind?
I also strongly suggest that the divinity we are promised is bound up in the laws of God and the character of God.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

This character of the divine, is promised and available today. It means dominion over sin which is transgression against the law. It means that by faith and the sure knowledge of the one who has promised, we may overcome, in this life!!!
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.....
.....21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Everything I am relating to you is part and parcel with the gospel. Thus it is salvational.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Revelation 14:6-7

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


The whole gospel is bound up in obedience to God's commandments and reflecting His character of love to mankind. We are called, as an integral part of that same everlasting gospel, to fear God, give Him glory, but notice which God we are called to honour...in Revelation 14:7 it is the God who made...the Creator God who made heaven and earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters. Where else do we find such words?

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:...


Why is God worthy of glory and honour which the everlasting gospel requires of us???

....for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Now, how can we fully give God that glory due Him when we ignore this??

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.....

...11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


How can we fully honour the Creator when we ignore that which completed creation? Was not the Sabbath also created by God for man to enjoy and through its blessing honour Him who made it? How is the law complete...how is the character of God honoured...how can we give all glory to Him as He deserves when we sell ourselves short of complete revelation?

Final thought. The seal spoken of in Revelation is not just an intellectual and spiritual settling into truth by the power of the holy Spirit, but can also be a literal seal pertaining to God's law. Without the 4th commandment identifying the Creator as the God of that law, whose law would it be? Any man, angel, or group or institution could come up with a set of laws similar to the ten commandments. But like the seal of POTUS, which gives the laws of the land an official stamp of approval from the ruling authority, identifying his name, rank, and territory over which he resides, so also does the 4th commandment act as God's seal on His holy law. To set it aside is to rob the law of its authority and power.

That is a whole lot of information just to support Ellen G. White of the 7th Day Advantist theology.

I agree Sunday worship is not honoring the 3rd/4th Commandment, but it is not the Mark of the Beast.

It's very clear scripture says "no man shall buy or sell" without the mark. Well neither of these behaviors fit. You can buy, or not buy on any day of the year. You can choose to work, or not work on Christmas or Easter or not. The laws of the US specifically have recognized that if a person does not want to work on Saturday due to religious conviction, the employeer can't make them. Or they can refuse to work on Christmas or Easter and it's honored. So it doesn't fit the prophesy. But try to work without an SSN and you will find a different situation.
Is the Mark of the Beast Sunday Sabbath? No.
 
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William Miller was a Baptist preacher who predicted that Christ's Second Coming would occur in the year 1844. Once the day and year arrived, nothing happened, and many people left the Millerite movement, and this event became known as the Great Disappointment.

However, a man by the name of Hiram Edson claimed to have had a vision and said that Miller was right about the date, but wrong about the place. According to Edson, 1844 was not the time of Christ's return, but rather the beginning of the next phase where he moved to the Most Holy Place, where the investigative judgment began. Many Christians, particularly those of the Evangelical variety of Christianity criticize this doctrine as lacking its origins from Scripture and instead invented as a way for the Millerites to save face. Since that time, Adventists have produced work defending the investigative judgment and the sanctuary doctrine purely with Scripture.

William Miller himself admitted he was wrong, but still believed that Christ's return was soon.

Was Miller a false teacher or prophet? Did he have good intentions or would his destruction have been swift? To me, if he was a false teacher or prophet, he seems to have repented from that, and is therefore safe from destruction.

Does this Adventist doctrine have any basis in Scripture, history or tradition, or is it a uniquely Adventist invention?

Miller was false in his teachings, but history records that after his last prediction didn't come true, he confessed his error and disappeared from history.

Edson and White, however, perpetuated the error with their attempt to rescue Miller's prediction by claiming that it happened "in Heaven" (where no one could verify it).
 
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Miller was false in his teachings, but history records that after his last prediction didn't come true, he confessed his error and disappeared from history.

Edson and White, however, perpetuated the error with their attempt to rescue Miller's prediction by claiming that it happened "in Heaven" (where no one could verify it).

I believe that Harold Camping did the very same thing a few years ago.

What this says to me is that the spiritual and educational position of the Christians in this world is very, very weak!

It is done by scroupliouse men who want to bring attention to themselves and to make money with the production of a book or a movie and the weak uneducated Christians fall for it every single time.

The Bible fact is that NO ONE knows and NO ONE will know until it is over.

There is not a shred of scriptural evidence to support any claim that Jesus is Coming back on a certain said day, and there was a mountain of evidence against them. Why, then, bother to give them any thought?????
 
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I believe that Harold Camping did the very same thing a few years ago.

What this says to me is that the spiritual and educational position of the Christians in this world is very, very weak!

It is done by scroupliouse men who want to bring attention to themselves and to make money with the production of a book or a movie and the weak uneducated Christians fall for it every single time.

The Bible fact is that NO ONE knows and NO ONE will know until it is over.

There is not a shred of scriptural evidence to support any claim that Jesus is Coming back on a certain said day, and there was a mountain of evidence against them. Why, then, bother to give them any thought?????

Camping did and he also admitted error. However there were questions about his teachings even before this (he was teaching people to leave their churches and send their tithes and offerings to his outfit). He later had a stroke and passed away, I think his ministry may have folded.
 
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Camping did and he also admitted error. However there were questions about his teachings even before this (he was teaching people to leave their churches and send their tithes and offerings to his outfit). He later had a stroke and passed away, I think his ministry may have folded.

You know, I am an old fashioned country boy from NA (Promised Land) and I simply believe what God's says.

Any preacher out there who is preaching a false gospel is in danger of being among those who drop dead under the judgment of God.

You know that God hasn’t changed one iota about how he sees sin. He still hates it and it will still be punished. Nothing has changed.

God does not love anyone more than he loved Ananias and Sapphira. Yet he struck them dead. Peter rebuked them before all.

He did not offer them counselling. He did not offer them a chance. He did not instruct them to go recite one-hundred Hail Mary’s. He did not tell them “I understand. No one is perfect.” He offered no altar to kneel and repent at. No covering it up. Peter did not even forgive them himself. He said for lying to the Holy Ghost you must die.

Ezek 12:25 .........
“For I am the LORD. I speak, and the word which I speak will come to pass; it will no more be postponed; for in your days, O rebellious house, I will say the word and perform it,” says the Lord GOD.”‘

Therefore any prophetic gift that is saying something that is not accurate 100% of the time is not the same one God gave to the prophets of old.
 
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