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Wow. That would be 70 people in the entire world. Let me guess, you're one of those 70? No arrogance here.

The 70 in 7 billion estimate is to illustrate how Elohim Confounds the Wise and the overwhelming thorough monopoly of Scriptural Interpretation by Freemasons.


Proverbs 16:18 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 Before destruction [is] pride, And before stumbling -- a haughty spirit.'
 
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Actually, Abraham is a terrible choice for an example. Firstly, he's an exception. Secondly, who would ever suggest that the call for "heart circumcision" would ever be applied to him? Heart circumcision is a call for repentance, a separation from the superficial observance. Does that even sound like Abraham? Heart circumcision is a common theme in the Tanakh, but it's not either/or proposition, one always went with the other as the prophet Ezekiel teaches. The difference for the Jewish people is that one is automatic (so to speak) and the other is a willing choice and even that is an inadequate explenation of the metaphor.

Really? Did Avraham walk a perfect walk in faith and obedience to YHWH? If so, how do you reconcile his deception to Pharaoh? Was it a lapse in faith that caused Avraham to believe that he needed to help YHWH along, to deliver YHWH's promise to give Avraham progeny? I by no means measure up to Avraham; but even he still had room to repent toward YHWH.

You didn't comment on those who left Egypt with the Hebrews.
 
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Really? Did Avraham walk a perfect walk in faith and obedience to YHWH? If so, how do you reconcile his deception to Pharaoh? Was it a lapse in faith that caused Avraham to believe that he needed to help YHWH along, to deliver YHWH's promise to give Avraham progeny? I by no means measure up to Avraham; but even he still had room to repent toward YHWH.

You didn't comment on those who left Egypt with the Hebrews.
You should study the Torah closer. Deception and Gd's view of it is a fascinating subject. Think Abraham (twice!), Issac(same case), Jakob and Esau. What they did was a sin or not? Opinions vary. I certainly don't see any obvious condemnation. Re.Hangers on who left Egypt. Were they circumcised? How many of them reached the promised land? How many were circumcised in the desert?The only thing we can be sure of is that no child born in the desert was circumcised. How can that be??
 
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Re. Hangers on who left Egypt. Were they circumcised? How many of them reached the promised land? How many were circumcised in the desert?The only thing we can be sure of is that no child born in the desert was circumcised. How can that be??
Seeker-sensitive Judaism ? ;) ... Are you suggesting that neither Moses or Aaron were circumcised as babies? Then how did Bithiah know that Moses was a Hebrew baby??

The Midrash identifies Bithiah as Pharaohs' daughter, and says she received her name (Bat-Yah), literally "daughter of Yah". Yah being a form of YHWH, which is often rendered in English as "LORD". Because of her compassion and pity in saving the infant Moses tradition says Bithiah left Egypt with Moses when he ran away after killing an Egyptian slavedriver. She married Mered (Caleb) the Judahite. Her children were Miriam, Shammai, and Ishbah.

The Midrash also portrays her as a pious and devoted woman, who would bathe in the Nile to cleanse herself of the impurity of idolatrous Egypt. The Midrash (Exodus Rabbah 18:3) also records that she was not affected by the 10 Plagues, and her son was the only firstborn of Egypt to survive the the final plague.
 
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Seeker-sensitive Judaism ? ;) ... Are you suggesting that neither Moses or Aaron were circumcised as babies? Then how did Bithiah know that Moses was a Hebrew baby??

The Midrash identifies Bithiah as Pharaohs' daughter, and says she received her name (Bat-Yah), literally "daughter of Yah". Yah being a form of YHWH, which is often rendered in English as "LORD". Because of her compassion and pity in saving the infant Moses tradition says Bithiah left Egypt with Moses when he ran away after killing an Egyptian slavedriver. She married Mered (Caleb) the Judahite. Her children were Miriam, Shammai, and Ishbah.

The Midrash also portrays her as a pious and devoted woman, who would bathe in the Nile to cleanse herself of the impurity of idolatrous Egypt. The Midrash (Exodus Rabbah 18:3) also records that she was not affected by the 10 Plagues, and her son was the only firstborn of Egypt to survive the the final plague.
I didn't say that at all. I said that children born in the desert (that means during the exodus) were not circumcised.
 
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Re.Hangers on who left Egypt. Were they circumcised?

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.

It's the most logical conclusion.

How many of them reached the promised land?

Moshe himself didn't reach the promised land.

How many were circumcised in the desert?
How many were there in the desert?

The only thing we can be sure of is that no child born in the desert was circumcised.

How could we possibly be sure of that? YHWH was being very strict with those who he was leading through the desert. Why do you suppose he would turn a blind eye to such disobedience?

How can that be??

How can what be?
 
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(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.

It's the most logical conclusion.



Moshe himself didn't reach the promised land.

How many were there in the desert?



How could we possibly be sure of that? YHWH was being very strict with those who he was leading through the desert. Why do you suppose he would turn a blind eye to such disobedience?



How can what be?
I'm going to exit this conversation as you lack basic familiarity with the Tanakh.
 
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I'm going to exit this conversation as you lack basic familiarity with the Tanakh.
The reason usually given is because the Israelites were always on the move and fresh water wasn't available for cleansing the wound to prevent infection. However, that borders on being a gross generalization. Rashi writes that the people of Levi continued to circumcise their sons in the desert despite the risk (Rashi on D'varim 33:9). Rashi is held with high regard by Chabad. Never-the-less the popular consensus goes something like this ...

"During these forty years G-d was the only one providing. The Jews were not required to do their part. This explains why the covenant of Brit Mila was not appropriate in the desert where only G-d was contributing. Only upon entering Israel, when the nation of Israel had to once again do their part, was it fitting for the Brit Mila ritual to be resumed."

Without circumcision isn't there just as great a risk of infection? Do you really think that the Israelites didn't have waterskin bags with them when on the move ( Waterskin - Wikipedia ). The Mother could always use her spit to cleanse the wound if water wasn't readily available. Where there's a will there's a way. Necessity is the mother of invention :) ...

"Should the idea of the Milah be understood as: Why cut the Ohrleh (ערלה)? According to some sources (mostly Kabbalic), it accumulates all of the baby's "filth" (זוהמה) during the 7 days since birth and must be cut (and handled properly) to avoid that filth to spread infection back to the whole body."

Do you think Moses told the Israelites not to circumcise the Hebrew male babies during their wilderness journey? Where in the Torah did G-d tell Moses, Aaron or any Levite not to perform circumcisions on male babies born during the 40 years of the wilderness journey?
 
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The reason usually given is because the Israelites were always on the move and fresh water wasn't available for cleansing the wound to prevent infection. However, that borders on being a gross generalization. Rashi writes that the people of Levi continued to circumcise their sons in the desert despite the risk (Rashi on D'varim 33:9). Rashi is held with high regard by Chabad. Never-the-less the popular consensus goes something like this ...

"During these forty years G-d was the only one providing. The Jews were not required to do their part. This explains why the covenant of Brit Mila was not appropriate in the desert where only G-d was contributing. Only upon entering Israel, when the nation of Israel had to once again do their part, was it fitting for the Brit Mila ritual to be resumed."

Without circumcision isn't there just as great a risk of infection? Do you really think that the Israelites didn't have waterskin bags with them when on the move ( Waterskin - Wikipedia ). The Mother could always use her spit to cleanse the wound if water wasn't readily available. Where there's a will there's a way. Necessity is the mother of invention :) ...

"Should the idea of the Milah be understood as: Why cut the Ohrleh (ערלה)? According to some sources (mostly Kabbalic), it accumulates all of the baby's "filth" (זוהמה) during the 7 days since birth and must be cut (and handled properly) to avoid that filth to spread infection back to the whole body."

Do you think Moses told the Israelites not to circumcise the Hebrew male babies during their wilderness journey? Where in the Torah did G-d tell Moses, Aaron or any Levite not to perform a circumcisions on male babies born during the 40 years of the wilderness journey?
I disagree with Rashi, as all should, because he's speculating in the face of the plain text. It's one thing to speculate that Moses was born circumcised, it's quite another to overstep the text. I understand why, but it's still wrong.
 
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I'm going to exit this conversation as you lack basic familiarity with the Tanakh.

Why exit? If you can back up your assertions with the Tanakh; for the love of YHWH, why not show us?
 
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About the few that understand Paul's writings:


The 70 in 7 billion estimate is to illustrate how Elohim Confounds the Wise and the overwhelming thorough monopoly of Scriptural Interpretation by Freemasons.


Proverbs 16:18 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 Before destruction [is] pride, And before stumbling -- a haughty spirit.'
You need to read your own advice.
 
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