Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

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Why not read the chapter?
Why would you, if you already know the chapter by heart?

And still you would not have noticed THIS little part of the whole chapter, the last part in verse 14, that "the blood of Christ MORE THAN ANYTHING, shall purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD"!

In vain said Isaiah the SAME thing
(just above my post, it struck me now): Isaiah 64:6 ...all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us (like all the unrighteous) wither like a leaf, and our iniquities (just like theirs), like the wind, take us away.
 
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Why doesn't anyone search bible for "righteous" and see all the ones that God calls righteous ? Blameless ! Holy ! Blessed !
EVEN "IN UNION" ONE with JESUS ! (Ekklesia! )

There is apparently A LOT in the BIBLE that few people ever read. (regular BIBLE in English like KJV , AMP, RSV is fine for THIS search - no problem)
 
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I see it as the law was changed from "don't" to "do."

In other words,

DO believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
DO love your neighbor as yourself.

Yes, and as long as and because as long as we don't, there shall be the Law that tells us that we don't.
 
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Why would you, if you already know the chapter by heart?

And still you would not have noticed THIS little part of the whole chapter, the last part in verse 14, that "the blood of Christ MORE THAN ANYTHING, shall purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD"!

In vain said Isaiah the SAME thing
(just above my post, it struck me now): Isaiah 64:6 ...all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us (like all the unrighteous) wither like a leaf, and our iniquities (just like theirs), like the wind, take us away.

In Isaiah 64:6, it was not God speaking, but rather it was the people complaining about how they though God viewed their actions because he was not coming down and making His presence known as He did in days of old. God does not command His people all throughout the Bible to repent and return to obedience to His Law and then turn around and show disdain and contempt for our actions when we repent and seek by faith to obey His Law. The reality is that the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelations 19:8). Dead works are sins in transgression of the Law that lead to death.
 
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The law stands as given if not then there is no sin.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

WE are not under the condemnation of the law due to the grace of GOD

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Said,
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

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the New Testament believer is under grace, not the law

Does the New Testament believer “commit sin”? 1John 3:4

Whosoever, committeth sin…”

Does the New Testament believer “transgres the law”? 1John 3:4

Let the one who has no sin, cast the first stone! Therefore the New Testament believer is under the Law although he is under grace, and he is a sinner still although he is under grace, “for sin is transgression of the Law”.

Does the New Testament believer die death?

Yes.

Then the New Testament believer is under the Law although he is under grace, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23

WE are not under the condemnation of the law due to the grace of GOD’…

Yes, the New Testament believer although he is under the Law, ‘due to the grace of GOD’ is not under the condemnation of the Law anymore.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The important aspect of Jesus’ statement in Matthew 5:19 is not that perhaps one might break Christ’s commandments, because every child of God does and certainly until his last breath, remains to be a transgressor although until his last breath of all his sins a forgiven transgressor.

The important point this verse wants to make is against the unforgiven transgressor who has nor will receive any grace or forgiveness of or for his sin, which is “to teach men so”, “to teach men to break any, even the least commandment in the Kingdom of heaven”.


Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments”, not, teach men to break my commandments!


Perspective o perspective! O my soul!
 
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Please supply biblical support for this belief.

Thanks in advance
Comeing from a SDA family, this is something I've discussed a LOT with relatives for many decades. There are arguments from both sides that are pretty good, at least on the surface. Since I don't want to discuss every single point, one by one, because it's already been done here, I'll just throw this link out, which includes arguments from both sides. Let the reader decide for himself, as I did.
jesus is my sabbath - Google Search
 
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I am a Christian. Jesus IS my Sabbath, my "rest".

Good that you call it, 'my' Sabbath, because your 'Sabbath' although you are Christian, is not Jesus' Sabbath or the People of God's or the Bible's. 'Rest' assured, no harm or difference done.
No harm as long as it stays your, 'my Sabbath'.
 
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Comeing from a SDA family, this is something I've discussed a LOT with relatives for many decades. There are arguments from both sides that are pretty good, at least on the surface. Since I don't want to discuss every single point, one by one, because it's already been done here, I'll just throw this link out, which includes arguments from both sides. Let the reader decide for himself, as I did.
jesus is my sabbath - Google Search

Too crowded for me, I am by the grace of God what I am, 'Sabbaths' Feast of Christ Home Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'. Make sure to see the word 'Home'.
 
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Please supply biblical support for this belief.

Thanks in advance
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

From these verses we see that the Sabbath is about rest, now look at what Jesus said in Matthew
11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Believers are in Christ, therefore Jesus is our Sabbath.
 
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Another good verse: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." (1 Corinthians 15.20). For those who love and trust the Lord Jesus, under grace now, it makes no sense to go back under the types and shadows when their glorious fulfilment is already wonderfully revealed to us in the New Testament. The resurrection corresponds with the Old Testament feast of firstfruits.
 
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Romans begins and ends with references to 'the obedience of faith';'obedience to the faith'. This is vastly different to being under the law.

What's the 'big' hubbub about "under the law" anyway ?

Just as citizens of the USA obey the laws of the USA, and even VISITORS to the USA do too.

So also citizens of HEAVEN obey the laws of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus - keeping the commandments is NOT BURDENSOME.
 
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What's the 'big' hubbub about "under the law" anyway ?

Just as citizens of the USA obey the laws of the USA, and even VISITORS to the USA do too.

So also citizens of HEAVEN obey the laws of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus - keeping the commandments is NOT BURDENSOME.
Reading Galatians, there is a very strong message that the New Testament believer is under grace, not the law.

Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed.

Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.
 
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Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

From these verses we see that the Sabbath is about rest, now look at what Jesus said in Matthew
11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Believers are in Christ, therefore Jesus is our Sabbath.

Thanks for the reply But I disagree with your interpretation.

These verses are not supporting your conclusion
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Jesus's rest is the Seventh Day Sabbath that HE sanctified.
(see the fourth commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 )
HE rested after six days of creation, Seventh day Sabbath,
HE rested in the grave on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

HE can not be our Sabbath as it is a sign between HIM and his people.

Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Definition of sanctify
sanctified; sanctifying
transitive verb
1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : consecrate
2: to free from sin : purify
: to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to: to give moral or social sanction to
4: to make productive of holiness or piety
  • observe the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it
 
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