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Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind..
lol , What I am attempting to do is get you to think about all scripture pertaining to this and consider that the scripture is not really clear in what it means , example is God said he will destroy the earth in Noah s day - but we are still on the same earth that was destroyed by the flood - multiple scriptures speak of the Garden of Eden being restored and there's the reference
"They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."
the Lord has His Holy mountain on this earth , and various scriptures that speak of the restoration of all things , so questions to ponder are - why is there a need for a new planet that will be laid out just as this earth is laid out , God created this planet with just speaking a word so he can heal the damage done to the earth in the same manner .

To restore means to bring back to original condition - if you are going to restore an old car , you will use new parts and new paint and bring it back to new condition just like it was when it came off the production line when it was first made , but it is still the same car -
The heavens above the earth as in atmosphere will be contaminated from EMP atomic bombs exploding in the atmosphere and will need to be new -God can do that in a word - I am just posing that should not make a big deal of a new earth when it may not be a different earth - however it could be a new different planet as science at NASA has found a new planet that they 'say' is identical to this earth with everything that is needed to support life - but then we with a glorified eternal spirit body like Jesus has after he resurrected from the grave will not need the same things to have life as it will not need food -or water etc etc
If there is a new different planet or a restored planet it will be new in terns of of it being suitable for use - just as an old car being restored to new condition is able to do all that a brand new car be

I have to chuckle when people want to pick and choose which scriptures they choose to be literal when it suits their own desire :)
 
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lol , What I am attempting to do is get you to think about all scripture pertaining to this and consider that the scripture is not really clear in what it means , example is God said he will destroy the earth in Noah s day - but we are still on the same earth that was destroyed by the flood - multiple scriptures speak of the Garden of Eden being restored and there's the reference
"They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."
the Lord has His Holy mountain on this earth , and various scriptures that speak of the restoration of all things , so questions to ponder are - why is there a need for a new planet that will be laid out just as this earth is laid out , God created this planet with just speaking a word so he can heal the damage done to the earth in the same manner .

To restore means to bring back to original condition - if you are going to restore an old car , you will use new parts and new paint and bring it back to new condition just like it was when it came off the production line when it was first made , but it is still the same car -
The heavens above the earth as in atmosphere will be contaminated from EMP atomic bombs exploding in the atmosphere and will need to be new -God can do that in a word - I am just posing that should not make a big deal of a new earth when it may not be a different earth - however it could be a new different planet as science at NASA has found a new planet that they 'say' is identical to this earth with everything that is needed to support life - but then we with a glorified eternal spirit body like Jesus has after he resurrected from the grave will not need the same things to have life as it will not need food -or water etc etc
If there is a new different planet or a restored planet it will be new in terns of of it being suitable for use - just as an old car being restored to new condition is able to do all that a brand new car be

I have to chuckle when people want to pick and choose which scriptures they choose to be literal when it suits their own desire :)



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

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You might notice that Isaiah 65:20 comes after the New Heavens and New Earth and the present earth is remembered no more, in verse 17.
Verse 25 indicates an end of the curse.
Verse 20 is found in between the two. It is a negative statement, meaning none of those things will be found in the New Heavens and New Earth.


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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Isaiah 65:20 are things in the millennial kingdom not the perfect state of the New Heaven and the New Earth.
This is why they won’t be remembered anymore.
There won’t be sinners in the perfect state but there will be in the millennial kingdom. Jerry Kelso
 
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Isaiah 65:20 are things in the millennial kingdom not the perfect state of the New Heaven and the New Earth.
This is why they won’t be remembered anymore.
There won’t be sinners in the perfect state but there will be in the millennial kingdom. Jerry Kelso

Your ability to rip verses out of their context to make your doctrine work is amazing.


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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Your ability to rip verses out of their context to make your doctrine work is amazing.


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Bab ...the former things shall not be remembered,nor come into mind on the NEW EARTH . This is about a NEW EARTH AGE...Same EARTH with a renewed surface and a new biosphere [all animals become vegetarians- lion eating grass-..]...A Earth Without Sea Revelation 21:1 ---->more room for more people.

we will not have any remembering of our actual life ....

Look what the life on the NEW EARTH will be ...

Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
 
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Your ability to rip verses out of their context to make your doctrine work is amazing.


Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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1. The New Heaven andthe New Earth is the last renovation but it is not annihilation.
Fire doesn’t annihilate and in this case it purifies.

2. Jerusalem will be rejoicing in the perfect state of Revelation 21.
There will be no more weeping in the perfect state of Revelation 21.
There will be no more sinners in the perfect state of Revelation 21.
Israel will build and their enemies won’t inhabit them in the perfect state of Revelation 21.
All these verse are correct of what will be in the perfect state and what won’t be in their.

2. There will be sinners in the millennial kingdom and you cannot deny the scriptures and you haven’t.
In the perfect state there will be no sinners.
I can’t help you because you read out of context and because you have wrong misunderstandings of words.
That is why you can’t reconcile all the scriptures together in harmony.

3. The millennial kingdom is the First 1000 years of the eternal kingdom on earth.
It is to put down all sin and rebellion and Christ and the saints will have to rule and reign for a 1000 years before this will end.
Then when the son has given the KoH back to God the KoG universal will be in harmony with the the New Heaven and the New Earth.
After that the Holy City, the New Jerusalem in Heaven will come down to earth.
God has a particular order in doing things and why he does them a certain way.
Obviously, you think it should be a different way and the reason is your hermeneutics are off base.

4. I give you plain scriptural facts, and proper context and correct history, and future details and you try to go around it by skipping key verses and won’t deal with them but go to other verses. I don’t do that to you. I try my best to adress every major verse and point you make.
You try to make out like I’m a poster child for Dispensationalism when you are the one that brought it up and I had hardly said anything about and then at the same time you are the one bashing Dispensationalism and sending them to hell. Not to mention putting your teachers videos on there.
Give me a break! Jerry kelso
 
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Bab ...the former things shall not be remembered,nor come into mind on the NEW EARTH . This is about a NEW EARTH AGE...Same EARTH with a renewed surface and a new biosphere [all animals become vegetarians- lion eating grass-..]...A Earth Without Sea Revelation 21:1 ---->more room for more people.

we will not have any remembering of our actual life ....

Look what the life on the NEW EARTH will be ...

Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Are you saying there will be sexual reproduction in the New Heavens and New Earth?

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Are you saying there will be sexual reproduction in the New Heavens and New Earth?
Well ,Isa 65:21-23 come from God ...not from me.

Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
 
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Are you saying there will be sexual reproduction in the New Heavens and New Earth?

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baberean2,

1. Yes. There will be eternal generations of natural peoples, Genesis 9:12; 13:15; 18:7, 19; Exodus 3:15; 12:14,42; 27:21; 30:8,21;31:16; 40:15; Leviticus 3:17; 6:18; 10:9; 17:7; 23:14, 21,31,41;, 24:3; 25:30; Numbers 10:8; 15:15; 18:23; Deuteronomy 5:29; 12:28; 28:46; 29:29; 2 Samuel 7:24-26; 1 Chronicles 23:25; Psalm 12:7; 45:17; 72:5; 79:13; 89:4; 100:5; 102:12, 24; 106:31; 119:90; 135:13; 145:13; 146:10; Isaiah 51:8; 59:21; Jeremiah 31:35-36; 32:38-40; Ezekiel 37:24-28; Luke 1:55; Lamentations 5:19; Daniel 4:3, 34; Joel 3:20.
Dake’s Revelation Expounded pg. 371 2.
There’s more but I have to go.
Jerry kelso
 
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baberean2,

1. Yes. There will be eternal generations of natural peoples, Genesis 9:12; 13:15; 18:7, 19; Exodus 3:15; 12:14,42; 27:21; 30:8,21;31:16; 40:15; Leviticus 3:17; 6:18; 10:9; 17:7; 23:14, 21,31,41;, 24:3; 25:30; Numbers 10:8; 15:15; 18:23; Deuteronomy 5:29; 12:28; 28:46; 29:29; 2 Samuel 7:24-26; 1 Chronicles 23:25; Psalm 12:7; 45:17; 72:5; 79:13; 89:4; 100:5; 102:12, 24; 106:31; 119:90; 135:13; 145:13; 146:10; Isaiah 51:8; 59:21; Jeremiah 31:35-36; 32:38-40; Ezekiel 37:24-28; Luke 1:55; Lamentations 5:19; Daniel 4:3, 34; Joel 3:20.
Dake’s Revelation Expounded pg. 371 2.
There’s more but I have to go.
Jerry kelso

The idea above is the kind of stuff that Jehovah's Witnesses come up with.

What did Jesus say?

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.


Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

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The idea above is the kind of stuff that Jehovah's Witnesses come up with.

What did Jesus say?

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.


Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


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baberean2,

1. The natural earthly people will propagate forever according to the scriptures I gave.
Posterity of Israel was promised forever Genesis 13:15; 17:6-8; 48:4; Exodus 32:13; Leviticus 25:23; 30, 34; Deuteronomy 4:40; Joshua 14:9; 2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 60:21; Jeremiah 25:5. Such could not be true of Heavenly saints, for they will inherit all things and reign over these people’s chapter 44, point 7 Dakes Revelation Expounded pg. 372.

2. God recognized the possibility of perpetuity of the race in sin when he drove Adam from the tree of life, lest he should eat it and live forever in the natural fallen state.
What is the purpose of the tree of life in the New Earth if it be not for the preservation of life? Revelation 22:1-2.

Eternal bodily life will not depend upon such trees for they will have immortal bodies. Chapter 44, pg. 373 Dakes Revelation Expounded.

3. Matthew 22:30 are those involved in the resurrection 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Matthew 25 at the Judgement of the nations and of how they treated Israel.
The sadducces didn’t believe in a resurrection at all and they knew Jesus did. So they tried to trip him up and prove there was no resurrection. He responded that those in the Resurrection neither marry, nor are given in marriage but are as the angels of God.
As teaching the resurrection of the dead he was the God of the living not the dead.
Actually, the angels are already immortal just like those bad angels who were and propagated with the daughters of men.
So it doesn’t mean they couldn’t propagate but that not their purpose.

4. JV’s don’t believe in a resurrection at all, but I do.
Quit throwing the baby out with the bath water and quit being one answer fits all. Jerry kelso
 
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Curiously , I do not find scripture that says people in eternal glorified bodies will be marrying anyone , which brings to mind if there is sex in the New earth Eternal kingdom it brings us back to where we are today - sex without marriage is sin as God does not want people procreating with just random occurrences - those scriptures seem to focus on that land the land will eternally and always belong to the Believers in Christ . Since the scriptures tell us very little of heaven and of the eternal kingdom it seem that what those scriptures are saying is that as God knew there would be hundreds of generations of humans to come before the eternal kingdom . In the eternal kingdom there will be the descendants of people dating back thousands of years that will remain in the eternal kingdom forever but that does not have to mean they are having babies into eternity

Do you have scripture that shows that it means in the Eternal kingdom that those who have received their eternal glorified bodies will be having children ?
 
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Curiously , I do not find scripture that says people in eternal glorified bodies will be marrying anyone , which brings to mind if there is sex in the New earth Eternal kingdom it brings us back to where we are today - sex without marriage is sin as God does not want people procreating with just random occurrences - those scriptures seem to focus on that land the land will eternally and always belong to the Believers in Christ . Since the scriptures tell us very little of heaven and of the eternal kingdom it seem that what those scriptures are saying is that as God knew there would be hundreds of generations of humans to come before the eternal kingdom . In the eternal kingdom there will be the descendants of people dating back thousands of years that will remain in the eternal kingdom forever but that does not have to mean they are having babies into eternity

Do you have scripture that shows that it means in the Eternal kingdom that those who have received their eternal glorified bodies will be having children ?


seventysevens,

1. Obviously you didn’t read and understand the true context of any of the post very well and you don’t understand the plan of God with the eternal natural people on earth.
You also don’t understand the context of the Sadduccees and their question to Jesus.
You always think that a literal statement covers every angle and you miss the context in the process.
We are to rightly divide the word not accept personal perception of what you think it appears to be. Context not mere human perception. Jerry kelso
 
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What did Jesus say?

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
BAB Revelation 21:24-27 is clear that there will be Nations of natural people upon the New Earth ...
The KINGS over these Nations will be those who have received Immortal Body ..[.at least those mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 will be Kings and Priests] the probability is great that they continue to be Kings and Priests of God on the New Earth.

Those in immortal body will have the same ministry mission upon these Nations that the Angels of God who are immortal have actually upon us.

Revelation 21:24-27
24 And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the KINGS of the earth bring their glory into it.

25 And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there):

26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it: 27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
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seventysevens,

1. Obviously you didn’t read and understand the true context of any of the post very well and you don’t understand the plan of God with the eternal natural people on earth.
You also don’t understand the context of the Sadduccees and their question to Jesus.
You always think that a literal statement covers every angle and you miss the context in the process.
We are to rightly divide the word not accept personal perception of what you think it appears to be. Context not mere human perception. Jerry kelso
Obviously dude you have not the slightest comprehension of what it means to have the heart of God - seriously bad attitude !
Ask you a simple question and this is how you respond with nothing more than arrogance overflowing ?
And yet you still cannot provide an answer -
To hear you tell it , means Gods plan is to create a planet of people with eternal bodies and have them reign over mortal humans for eternity - that may be your opinion but you have not proved anything except that you have no love in you - just arrogance -
you post scripture and say it means what you want it to but fail to back it up
If you had any provable facts you would actually make a case for it instead of being mean and bitterhearted
 
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Obviously dude you have not the slightest comprehension of what it means to have the heart of God - seriously bad attitude !
Ask you a simple question and this is how you respond with nothing more than arrogance overflowing ?
And yet you still cannot provide an answer -
To hear you tell it , means Gods plan is to create a planet of people with eternal bodies and have them reign over mortal humans for eternity - that may be your opinion but you have not proved anything except that you have no love in you - just arrogance -
you post scripture and say it means what you want it to but fail to back it up
If you had any provable facts you would actually make a case for it instead of being mean and bitterhearted

seventy sevens,

1. #569 and #571. Gives the scripture. I assumed you read them dice you were talking about the same subject.

2. Sorry if you were offended but you gave your opinion and no scripture that I saw.
I am not arrogant, I just ask to be fair in exegesis and proper debate and rebuttal.
If all you have is an opinion fine, you could say so.
And to say I have provided no scripture is a lie. Those posts were not directly to you so if you didn’t read it then I’m sorry if I jumped the gun at what I thought you had read.

3. I am not mean or bitter but when I gave a bunch of scriptures and you didn’t and then claim I didn’t then that is not right.
If you’ll read those two posts and the scriptures then feel free to try and rebut it. Jerry kelso
 
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Some people just toss scriptures out there and expected it to be their case , try doing it in a manner as in a courtroom when attorneys present their case and then try to prove it ,
baberean2,

1. Yes. There will be eternal generations of natural peoples,
Natural bodies are born into sin since the sin of Adam
Natural bodies die as being the natural and not supernatural glorified body
Scripture tells us in that day there will be no more death
It is against the scripture to say that natural bodies that die will be eternally forever being born and die when scripture says there will be no more death
 
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BAB Revelation 21:24-27 is clear that there will be Nations of natural people upon the New Earth ...
The KINGS over these Nations will be those who have received Immortal Body ..[.at least those mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 will be Kings and Priests] the probability is great that they continue to be Kings and Priests of God on the New Earth.

Those in immortal body will have the same ministry mission upon these Nations that the Angels of God who are immortal have actually upon us.

Revelation 21:24-27
24 And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the KINGS of the earth bring their glory into it.

25 And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there):

26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it: 27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Either Paul is wrong below, or you are wrong above.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


You are ripping verses out of context to make your Premill doctrine work, in the passage below.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

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Some people just toss scriptures out there and expected it to be their case , try doing it in a manner as in a courtroom when attorneys present their case and then try to prove it ,

Natural bodies are born into sin since the sin of Adam
Natural bodies die as being the natural and not supernatural glorified body
Scripture tells us in that day there will be no more death
It is against the scripture to say that natural bodies that die will be eternally forever being born and die when scripture says there will be no more death

seventy sevens,

1. The millennial kingdom will have people die if they commit the death penalty sins and it will be swift. Both Christ and the saints will rule and reign with a rod of iron Psalm 2 and Revelation 2:26-27.

2. As far as the perfect state with the New Heaven and the New Earth, I never said anything about anybody dying. The natural people will be eternal.
When Adam sinned God had to get him out of the garden before he ate of the tree of life and forever be in a sinful state.
This tree will be in the perfect state for the earthly natural people not heavenly saints for we will inherit all things and be immortal.

3. I have given many scriptures that show this will happen for God has said Israel will have eternal generations and perpetual generations which is talking about posterity and this would also be true of other earthly natural people Posts #569 & #571.

4. Not marrying or given in marriage is basically talking about the resurrected heavenly saints.
The context is the sadducees, who didn’t believe in the resurrection was trying to trip Jesus up and prove there was no resurrection.
Jesus said they’ll be like the angels not because they can’t physically but because that is not their mission.
Satan’s angels had sex with the earthly daughters of men to produce the race of giants in Genesis 6.

5. Read posts #569 and #571.
So you are misunderstanding again according to the scripture. Jerry kelso
 
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God has said Israel will have eternal generations and perpetual generations

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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