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What verses did I cherry pick and take out of context? You haven't shown any

What view did I build on and what verses pertain to that view?

What false conclusions?





Semitic people refer to people originating out of Mesopotamia, Sumerian's are not Semitic however.

There is no such animal as an "Israelite" technically. They are a mix of races that emerge out of Canaan. So how am I confused historically and theologically?
Canaan is an area for sure, but there were distinctive peoples (tribes) throughout Mesopotamia that held differing beliefs and cultures, and I think this is significant. "Israelites" were descended from Abraham, who according to the Torah, God called him out from Ur of the Chaldeans. You don't have to believe it, but the historicity of the Israelites in the OT is quite clear.

There is no secret that there were many other gods, even Abraham's father was a devout worshipper of other gods (Joshua 24:2), the difference was that another God outside of the common practices and cultures of that day, set Abraham apart. There is no commonality with the God of the Bible was borrowed from these other gods for there to be some sort of foundation for monotheism to come into existence. If you want to argue where the God of the Bible came from, you would probably have a better argument claiming Abraham made Him up

PS - I'd imagine you have a whole heap of Bible verses to claim the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was influenced by polytheism, hence cherry picking.
 
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Canaan is an area for sure, but there were distinctive peoples (tribes) throughout Mesopotamia that held differing beliefs and cultures, and I think this is significant. "Israelites" were descended from Abraham, who according to the Torah, God called him out from Ur of the Chaldeans. You don't have to believe it, but the historicity of the Israelites in the OT is quite clear.

There is no secret that there were many other gods, even Abraham's father was a devout worshipper of other gods (Joshua 24:2), the difference was that another God outside of the common practices and cultures of that day, set Abraham apart. There is no commonality with the God of the Bible was borrowed from these other gods for there to be some sort of foundation for monotheism to come into existence. If you want to argue where the God of the Bible came from, you would probably have a better argument claiming Abraham made Him up

PS - I'd imagine you have a whole heap of Bible verses to claim the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was influenced by polytheism, hence cherry picking.



A little on Ibrhim before we begin (note the references to Ugaritic and Biblical verses below are not "cherry picking" they are versed and directly refer to Abraham), the 'original' name of the patriarch 'abram belongs to the common stock of West Semitic names known since the beginning of the second millennium BCE. It is a contracted form of 'iibiram (HALAT 9; DE VAUX 1968:11; I Kgs 16:32; Num 16:1; 26:9; Ps 106:17), written abrn in Ugarit (KTU 4.352:2,4 =IA-bi-ra-mul;; PRU 3,20; 5,85:10: 107:8, cf. also Mari, H. B. HUFFMO AbraJuim is an extended form of 'abram. The extension is rather due to reverence and distinction than dialectic variance. In historical times, tradition-enfirmed by folkloristic etymology (Gen 17:5; Neh 9:7)-knew the patriach only by his name 'abraJuim (Mic 7:20; Ps 47:10 etc.). At one time the patriarchs were interpreted as local Canaanite deities, or in terms of astral myth, particularly Abrnham. since he was; associated with centres of the Mesopotamian -moon cult (Ur and -Haran).-Sarah was equated with the moon-goddess and Abraham's father -Terah with the moon (= Yerah). Though in biblical tradition, there are allusions to the ancient cults of Abraham's place of origin (Josh 24:2), Tracing the origins of Abraham within the complicated traditions of the Pentateuch is extremely difficult. Pentateuch traditions picture him as the founder of a number of cult-places Abraham has an important place as far as gender law is considered in the ancient Hebraic sense, as the wife has limited jurisdiction and Sarah has to get authority from Abraham to chastise Hagar. Abraham is presented in the Bible as having come from Mesopotamia. The descendants of Abraham spent centuries in Egypt and then came to dwell in the midst of a Canaanite civilization. The language spoken by the Israelite's is historically related to the languages of the Semitic world around them. Copies of ancient Near Eastern literature have been discovered in the excavations of Israelite cities.

"Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible"

If Abraham did exist, he would be Sumerian coming from Ur. It is not called Ur of the Chaldeans in origin, the Chaldeans are Semitic and not Sumerian, however, Ur is located in the land of Sumer, the wider scope is Mesopotamia.

The proper name used for the "calling of Abraham out of Ur" will either be Yahweh or El, both are Canaanite deities.

"Abraham" did not "birth" the Israelite's as you so candidly put, they are a mix of races out of Canaan.

Also to your "cherry picking" claim the biblical record retains only vague recollections and indirect evidence of the primary, dynamic stage in the process of Israelite settlement (except for the removal of the tribe of Dan to Laish) (Kallai 1967; Malamat 1970). Though a more advanced stage is described in Judges, the book's schematic structure and arbitrary chronological framework do not reflect the actual unfolding of historical events (Malamat 1976b: especially pp. 152^56). Therefore, in our quest for this dividing line we must shake free from a characteristic short-coming—sole dependence upon the reliability of biblical historiography.
 
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PS - I'd imagine you have a whole heap of Bible verses to claim the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was influenced by polytheism, hence cherry picking.

Since we do not want to be caught "cherry picking" I thought I'd make this clear for you. Bible personal names were similarly found earlier in Mari and much earlier in Akkadian cultures, personal names
were a sort of ethnic calling-card in antiquity, and such names as Abram, Ishmael, Laban, Leah, and Jacob were current at Mari. The name Jacob is to be found in Akkadian documents from other sites
as well, from the 19th to the 17th centuries B.C.E.
 
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A little on Ibrhim before we begin (note the references to Ugaritic and Biblical verses below are not "cherry picking" they are versed and directly refer to Abraham), the 'original' name of the patriarch 'abram belongs to the common stock of West Semitic names known since the beginning of the second millennium BCE. It is a contracted form of 'iibiram (HALAT 9; DE VAUX 1968:11; I Kgs 16:32; Num 16:1; 26:9; Ps 106:17), written abrn in Ugarit (KTU 4.352:2,4 =IA-bi-ra-mul;; PRU 3,20; 5,85:10: 107:8, cf. also Mari, H. B. HUFFMO AbraJuim is an extended form of 'abram. The extension is rather due to reverence and distinction than dialectic variance. In historical times, tradition-enfirmed by folkloristic etymology (Gen 17:5; Neh 9:7)-knew the patriach only by his name 'abraJuim (Mic 7:20; Ps 47:10 etc.). At one time the patriarchs were interpreted as local Canaanite deities, or in terms of astral myth, particularly Abrnham. since he was; associated with centres of the Mesopotamian -moon cult (Ur and -Haran).-Sarah was equated with the moon-goddess and Abraham's father -Terah with the moon (= Yerah). Though in biblical tradition, there are allusions to the ancient cults of Abraham's place of origin (Josh 24:2), Tracing the origins of Abraham within the complicated traditions of the Pentateuch is extremely difficult. Pentateuch traditions picture him as the founder of a number of cult-places Abraham has an important place as far as gender law is considered in the ancient Hebraic sense, as the wife has limited jurisdiction and Sarah has to get authority from Abraham to chastise Hagar. Abraham is presented in the Bible as having come from Mesopotamia. The descendants of Abraham spent centuries in Egypt and then came to dwell in the midst of a Canaanite civilization. The language spoken by the Israelite's is historically related to the languages of the Semitic world around them. Copies of ancient Near Eastern literature have been discovered in the excavations of Israelite cities.

"Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible"

If Abraham did exist, he would be Sumerian coming from Ur. It is not called Ur of the Chaldeans in origin, the Chaldeans are Semitic and not Sumerian, however, Ur is located in the land of Sumer, the wider scope is Mesopotamia.

The proper name used for the "calling of Abraham out of Ur" will either be Yahweh or El, both are Canaanite deities.

"Abraham" did not "birth" the Israelite's as you so candidly put, they are a mix of races out of Canaan.

Also to your "cherry picking" claim the biblical record retains only vague recollections and indirect evidence of the primary, dynamic stage in the process of Israelite settlement (except for the removal of the tribe of Dan to Laish) (Kallai 1967; Malamat 1970). Though a more advanced stage is described in Judges, the book's schematic structure and arbitrary chronological framework do not reflect the actual unfolding of historical events (Malamat 1976b: especially pp. 152^56). Therefore, in our quest for this dividing line we must shake free from a characteristic short-coming—sole dependence upon the reliability of biblical historiography.
"Ur" of the Chaldeans is debatable, city of Ur which is a Sumerian city, or as the Septuagint interprets it as "land of the Chaldeans," but this is irrelevant to the point being made. I already stated that there were linguistic similarities among these peoples in Mesopotamia, and that Abraham geographically was a Chaldean; but did he follow in his ancestors and fathers footsteps? No. The Bible specifically states that he leave all that behind. (Genesis 12:1)

What is your position exactly? You worship the numerous gods, like the cow god or something, because they were first written about?

And yes, you are cherry picking verses.
 
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"Ur" of the Chaldeans is debatable, city of Ur which is a Sumerian city, or as the Septuagint interprets it as "land of the Chaldeans," but this is irrelevant to the point being made. I already stated that there were linguistic similarities among these peoples in Mesopotamia, and that Abraham geographically was a Chaldean; but did he follow in his ancestors and fathers footsteps? No. The Bible specifically states that he leave all that behind.


And yes, you are cherry picking verses.


Ur is a Sumerian city, it is located in modern day Iraq, what is so hard about that to understand?

Septuagint translations are much too young for Sumerian city-states, it's a bad translation in sum. And here is the why, the Sumerians are a Pre Semitic, Non Semitic, agglutinative speaking people, Semite tongues derives from Sumerian, the first to develop the Semitic languages are the Akkadians. (Sam Noah Kramer)

Sumerian language is not Semitic language, hence, the translation "Ur of the Chaldeans" does not reference the city-state's in Sumer.

Abraham (if he did exist) comes from Sumer, regardless of the name he is called either by Yahweh or El which are Canaanite deities. This seems to be a point you are missing.

There is a lot more than linguistic similarities, run a check on the PPNA and PPNB periods.

Abraham is not a Chaldean, the origins of Abraham are largely unknown, what the Bible purports is that he came from Ur and his father was a polytheist. There isn't much else going on, other than he engages in rituals with Melchezedik a Canaanite priest, btw, these are Canaanite rituals they are engaging in.

Since you keep harping on "cherry picking" Bible verses here; we might want to steer clear as far from the Bible as possible in this discussion, making us only to rely on Extra Biblical materials.

Hence, in the Ugaritic material and Canaanite material Abraham is related to the moon God and is an astral deity. You obviously haven't looked at Canaanite, Ugaritic, Babylonian, Akkadian materials at all, yet to avoid Biblical "cherry picking" we cannot even look at the Bible per your "cherry picking" claim.

I smell some dishonesty here.

What is your position exactly? You worship the numerous gods, like the cow god or something, because they were first written about?

I claimed to be a Polytheist, but that isn't my "position". It is the history of Israel that is much more intriguing.
 
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There is a lot of pseudo history going on here.

I take it that you dismiss the Bible completely, yet cherry pick verses to validate some sort of twisted idea that the God of the Bible was structured around polytheism?

If Judaism did not originate from polytheism, then why are the Jews more polytheistic in the early parts of the Bible and less polytheistic as you move forward chronologically?

In the Exodus, the Jews saw the physical incarnation of their God. They saw their God perform miracles. And yet thousands of them were happy to make an idol and worship it on the very next page. The very same people who personally witnessed their deity performing miracles turned around and worshiped another deity. Why?

I'm often told that the answer to this question is temptation. The Jews were tempted to do this. If this is the case, please show me *one* American Christian who is "tempted" to worship another deity. Show me such a Christian who is tempted to literally bend the knee and literally touch their head to the ground before a statue.

If American Christians - whom I'm sure you'll say "worship money" or whatever - are never even remotely tempted to worship any other actual deity on earth, then why were these Jews so overwhelmed with the temptation that they gave in by the thousands? Could it be that they had come from a polytheistic culture? But... if the earliest Jews came from a polytheistic culture, what do we make of Judaism?

Even Jacob, the man after whom Israel itself was named, was a polytheist.

Genesis 31:33-35 says,

33 And Laban went into Jacob's tent, and into Leah's tent, and into the tent of the two maid-servants; but he found them not. And he went out of Leah's tent, and entered into Rachel's tent.

34 Now Rachel had taken the teraphim, and put them in the camel's saddle, and sat upon them. And Laban felt about all the tent, but found them not.

35 And she said to her father, Let not my lord be angry that I cannot rise up before thee; for the manner of women is upon me. And he searched, but found not the teraphim.

Tell me, what were "household idols" doing in Jacob's tent? Wasn't he one of the Jewish patriarchs?

And we see the trend apparent in the kings, as well. Solomon, one of the very first kings, had statues and altars for foreign gods built for his foreign wives. Why would he do that if he was the wisest man in the history of the world who had directly spoken with the creator of the universe? Conversely, Josiah, one of the last kings, was a Yahweh fanatic and had the foreign holy places destroyed (meaning, of course, they had existed in Israel the whole time). So we see that the transition from polytheism to henotheism and finally to monotheism is apparent in the kings of Israel and Judah as well.
 
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Ur is a Sumerian city, it is located in modern day Iraq, what is so hard about that to understand?

Septuagint translations are much too young for Sumerian city-states, it's a bad translation in sum. And here is the why, the Sumerians are a Pre Semitic, Non Semitic, agglutinative speaking people, Semite tongues derives from Sumerian, the first to develop the Semitic languages are the Akkadians. (Sam Noah Kramer)

Sumerian language is not Semitic language, hence, the translation "Ur of the Chaldeans" does not reference the city-state's in Sumer.

Abraham (if he did exist) comes from Sumer, regardless of the name he is called either by Yahweh or El which are Canaanite deities. This seems to be a point you are missing.

There is a lot more than linguistic similarities, run a check on the PPNA and PPNB periods.

Abraham is not a Chaldean, the origins of Abraham are largely unknown, what the Bible purports is that he came from Ur and his father was a polytheist. There isn't much else going on, other than he engages in rituals with Melchezedik a Canaanite priest, btw, these are Canaanite rituals they are engaging in.

Since you keep harping on "cherry picking" Bible verses here; we might want to steer clear as far from the Bible as possible in this discussion, making us only to rely on Extra Biblical materials.

Hence, in the Ugaritic material and Canaanite material Abraham is related to the moon God and is an astral deity. You obviously haven't looked at Canaanite, Ugaritic, Babylonian, Akkadian materials at all, yet to avoid Biblical "cherry picking" we cannot even look at the Bible per your "cherry picking" claim.

I smell some dishonesty here.



I claimed to be a Polytheist, but that isn't my "position". It is the history of Israel that is much more intriguing.
...Doesn't really matter if Abraham was Japanese or Australian, the point which flew over your head was that Abraham according to the Bible left all that baby burning, golden calves, human sacrifice, sexual immorality rituals behind, and what came from him was something entirely unique with no signs of burrowing other than using similar language to depict this God. Linguistic similarities is one thing, but to assume linguistic dependence as influential upon the OT is entirely different, and you would struggle to find similarities, historically and theologically.

I take it that you don't believe Moses wrote the Torah (or even existed), as well as the Exodus was a real historical event?

If Judaism did not originate from polytheism, then why are the Jews more polytheistic in the early parts of the Bible and less polytheistic as you move forward chronologically?
Perhaps you are confused with the meaning of monotheism in the Bible. There are many false gods in the Bible that indeed existed to these people, and then there was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who the Israelites worshiped as the one true God. Monotheism doesn't dismiss the existence of these other gods, only that they are false gods, and idol worship, and not the true God.
 
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If Judaism did not originate from polytheism, then why are the Jews more polytheistic in the early parts of the Bible and less polytheistic as you move forward chronologically?

In the Exodus, the Jews saw the physical incarnation of their God. They saw their God perform miracles. And yet thousands of them were happy to make an idol and worship it on the very next page. The very same people who personally witnessed their deity performing miracles turned around and worshiped another deity. Why?

I'm often told that the answer to this question is temptation. The Jews were tempted to do this. If this is the case, please show me *one* American Christian who is "tempted" to worship another deity. Show me such a Christian who is tempted to literally bend the knee and literally touch their head to the ground before a statue.

If American Christians - whom I'm sure you'll say "worship money" or whatever - are never even remotely tempted to worship any other actual deity on earth, then why were these Jews so overwhelmed with the temptation that they gave in by the thousands? Could it be that they had come from a polytheistic culture? But... if the earliest Jews came from a polytheistic culture, what do we make of Judaism?

Even Jacob, the man after whom Israel itself was named, was a polytheist.

Genesis 31:33-35 says,

33 And Laban went into Jacob's tent, and into Leah's tent, and into the tent of the two maid-servants; but he found them not. And he went out of Leah's tent, and entered into Rachel's tent.

34 Now Rachel had taken the teraphim, and put them in the camel's saddle, and sat upon them. And Laban felt about all the tent, but found them not.

35 And she said to her father, Let not my lord be angry that I cannot rise up before thee; for the manner of women is upon me. And he searched, but found not the teraphim.

Tell me, what were "household idols" doing in Jacob's tent? Wasn't he one of the Jewish patriarchs?

And we see the trend apparent in the kings, as well. Solomon, one of the very first kings, had statues and altars for foreign gods built for his foreign wives. Why would he do that if he was the wisest man in the history of the world who had directly spoken with the creator of the universe? Conversely, Josiah, one of the last kings, was a Yahweh fanatic and had the foreign holy places destroyed (meaning, of course, they had existed in Israel the whole time). So we see that the transition from polytheism to henotheism and finally to monotheism is apparent in the kings of Israel and Judah as well.
To caveat out to this posting, this is why apologetic's doesn't work. Most Christian rhetoric is based on philosophical approaches that stem from secularism. Not to mention the catchy phrases that Christians have invented such as "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist".

In lieu of this for the atheist I would have to say that the best I can provide for an atheist, is that there is a possibility of a God existing or Gods, but I can't take it any further than that. While I believe in Gods, I don't expect anyone else to believe.

But, for the atheist I do recommend keeping an open mind when it comes to debunking Christianity, let me clarify. I suggest a study of ancient near east for atheists in order to show Christians that in fact Biblical Monotheism develops from Polytheism, no matter which God is being worshiped.





...Doesn't really matter if Abraham was Japanese or Australian, the point which flew over your head was that Abraham according to the Bible left all that baby burning, golden calves, human sacrifice, sexual immorality rituals behind, and what came from him was something entirely unique with no signs of burrowing other than using similar language to depict this God. Linguistic similarities is one thing, but to assume linguistic dependence as influential upon the OT is entirely different, and you would struggle to find similarities, historically and theologically.
If Abraham existed, and that is hotly debated, hence I am not sure that Abraham even did exist. I would hardly call worshiping and enjoining in rituals with Melchezedik to worship Yahweh a break away from Polytheism. I won't bring up Bible verses, because you call any Bible verse "cherry picking".

Please point out where the Sumerian's burned babies, and where they built golden calves?

Yahweh would oft require human sacrifice.

You do realize that male prostitutes were brought into Jewish temples, and when they were eradicated in Leviticus that females still could pay for their vows with sex.

Abraham travels to Canaan, by this time in Canaan they are already Semitic, as the Semitic tongue exists. Sumerian's are conquered by the Akkadian's, so if Abraham did exist it would make sense that he spoke a Semitic tongue, this is a linguistics issue, not a spiritual issue.

I would struggle to find linguistic similarities in the Bible? LOL....Sumer tongue is years before Semitic tongue. Sumerian tongue is incorporated into Semitic tongue in origin when the people of Akkad show up, the people of Canaan are much later. Go read on ancient near eastern history, in no way shape and or form will you find that Semitic tongue predates Sumerian tongue.



I take it that you don't believe Moses wrote the Torah (or even existed), as well as the Exodus was a real historical event?
Moses was a Yahwehist, so yes he would have penned the Torah. However, there is a conflict, in Egyptian history there is a sect of dwellers that exodus from Egypt, they are monotheistic, and are called the Akhenaten, it wasn't the Israelite's who exodus from Egypt. The Akhenaten are also monotheistic, and exodus from Egypt.
Perhaps you are confused with the meaning of monotheism in the Bible. There are many false gods in the Bible that indeed existed to these people, and then there was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who the Israelite's worshiped as the one true God.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob stems from Canaan, hence Yahweh who is a storm God; Yahweh is shown to be Baal.

Monotheism doesn't dismiss the existence of these other gods, only that they are false gods, and idol worship, and not the true God.

Henotheism is the term you are looking for. The worship of one God over other Gods, the Israelite's adopt Monotheism via Henotheism while in Babylonian captivity.

You really need to study before approaching me, I haven't even gotten into any literature on these old cultures. Do you have any clue what you are doing?
 
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Perhaps you are confused with the meaning of monotheism in the Bible. There are many false gods in the Bible that indeed existed to these people, and then there was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who the Israelites worshiped as the one true God. Monotheism doesn't dismiss the existence of these other gods, only that they are false gods, and idol worship, and not the true God.

I'm guessing I wrote out that post for nothing. You didn't owe me a read since I was butting in, but I see there's little point in engaging you if you're going to snip off a small part of my post and respond to that by saying I'm confused.
 
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To caveat out to this posting, this is why apologetic's doesn't work. Most Christian rhetoric is based on philosophical approaches that stem from secularism. Not to mention the catchy phrases that Christians have invented such as "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist".

In lieu of this for the atheist I would have to say that the best I can provide for an atheist, is that there is a possibility of a God existing or Gods, but I can't take it any further than that. While I believe in Gods, I don't expect anyone else to believe.

But, for the atheist I do recommend keeping an open mind when it comes to debunking Christianity, let me clarify. I suggest a study of ancient near east for atheists in order to show Christians that in fact Biblical Monotheism develops from Polytheism, no matter which God is being worshiped.

I think the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate the polytheistic roots of Judaism. As you can see, he didn't even read my commentary on the Bible itself. So if you think he will give half a shekel about some secular academic sources, you're gravely mistaken.

But ultimately, if he won't read what is spoon fed to him, there's nothing that can be done.
 
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I'm guessing I wrote out that post for nothing. You didn't owe me a read since I was butting in, but I see there's little point in engaging you if you're going to snip off a small part of my post and respond to that by saying I'm confused.

I think the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate the polytheistic roots of Judaism. As you can see, he didn't even read my commentary on the Bible itself. So if you think he will give half a shekel about some secular academic sources, you're gravely mistaken.

But ultimately, if he won't read what is spoon fed to him, there's nothing that can be done.

I agree you were taken out of context.


Perhaps you are confused with the meaning of monotheism in the Bible. There are many false gods in the Bible that indeed existed to these people, and then there was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who the Israelites worshiped as the one true God. Monotheism doesn't dismiss the existence of these other gods, only that they are false gods, and idol worship, and not the true God.

When you use the term "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" it isn't easy to distinguish what you actually mean, the term "God" isn't proper to Old Testamentary books. You would need to look at the original writings, Baal is also termed God, Yahweh is termed God, El is termed God, El Elyon is another personal name given. I have no clue what you could mean at all.
 
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Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, does not always want things to be clear. If, for instance, a clear outcome is expected after a session of prayer, then the effectiveness of prayer will be shown to be statistically equivalent to randomness.

Though sects of Christians have degenerated into religion, Christianity when its in its proper function, is not a religion. Its really about relationship.

When your relationship is to mandates, man made rules, and rituals? That's religion.

When your relationship is to God by means of the filling of the Spirit in relation to Christ as the way to the Father? That's true Christianity.

Men are often times blaming God for what stupid, stubborn, religious men turn Christianity into. Christianity is something beautiful and too seldom being properly understood. Religion is demanding like an ugly domineering woman that nags you into being what she wants you to be.
 
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I think the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate the polytheistic roots of Judaism.
Nonsense. Judaism had the only non polytheistic God amongst all the heathen nations around them with their many gods.
 
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Though sects of Christians have degenerated into religion, Christianity when its in its proper function, is not a religion. Its really about relationship.

When your relationship is to mandates, man made rules, and rituals? That's religion.

Christianity has rituals. Ever heard of communion? Prayer? Baptism?

A structured belief system which incorporates rituals and the idea that some aspect of the self will survive death is what defines a religion. Most religions have a deity. Yours is no exception.

Please, don't play games with me.

When your relationship is to God by means of the filling of the Spirit in relation to Christ as the way to the Father? That's true Christianity.

I can't make sense of that word salad.

Men are often times blaming God for what stupid, stubborn, religious men turn Christianity into. Christianity is something beautiful and too seldom being properly understood. Religion is demanding like an ugly domineering woman that nags you into being what she wants you to be.

What did I just read...?
 
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Nonsense. Judaism had the only non polytheistic God amongst all the heathen nations around them with their many gods.

Then please address what I already said before that in the conversation.

Copy/pasted:

If Judaism did not originate from polytheism, then why are the Jews more polytheistic in the early parts of the Bible and less polytheistic as you move forward chronologically?

In the Exodus, the Jews saw the physical incarnation of their God. They saw their God perform miracles. And yet thousands of them were happy to make an idol and worship it on the very next page. The very same people who personally witnessed their deity performing miracles turned around and worshiped another deity. Why?

I'm often told that the answer to this question is temptation. The Jews were tempted to do this. If this is the case, please show me *one* American Christian who is "tempted" to worship another deity. Show me such a Christian who is tempted to literally bend the knee and literally touch their head to the ground before a statue.

If American Christians - whom I'm sure you'll say "worship money" or whatever - are never even remotely tempted to worship any other actual deity on earth, then why were these Jews so overwhelmed with the temptation that they gave in by the thousands? Could it be that they had come from a polytheistic culture? But... if the earliest Jews came from a polytheistic culture, what do we make of Judaism?

Even Jacob, the man after whom Israel itself was named, was a polytheist.

Genesis 31:33-35 says,

33 And Laban went into Jacob's tent, and into Leah's tent, and into the tent of the two maid-servants; but he found them not. And he went out of Leah's tent, and entered into Rachel's tent.

34 Now Rachel had taken the teraphim, and put them in the camel's saddle, and sat upon them. And Laban felt about all the tent, but found them not.

35 And she said to her father, Let not my lord be angry that I cannot rise up before thee; for the manner of women is upon me. And he searched, but found not the teraphim.

Tell me, what were "household idols" doing in Jacob's tent? Wasn't he one of the Jewish patriarchs?

And we see the trend apparent in the kings, as well. Solomon, one of the very first kings, had statues and altars for foreign gods built for his foreign wives. Why would he do that if he was the wisest man in the history of the world who had directly spoken with the creator of the universe? Conversely, Josiah, one of the last kings, was a Yahweh fanatic and had the foreign holy places destroyed (meaning, of course, they had existed in Israel the whole time). So we see that the transition from polytheism to henotheism and finally to monotheism is apparent in the kings of Israel and Judah as well.
 
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Though sects of Christians have degenerated into religion, Christianity when its in its proper function, is not a religion. Its really about relationship.
Last time I check the Bible, Christianity is a religion.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Please show me in the Bible where the phrase "personal relationship" is shown. Or for that matter of fact "persona" or "relationship"

When your relationship is to mandates, man made rules, and rituals? That's religion.
However, "man made" rules are incorporated into the Bible, example, the law collection, the pinnacle of the revelation at Mount Sinai according to the story of Exodus 19–24, is directly, primarily, and throughout dependent upon the Laws of Hammurabi. The biblical text imitated the structure of this Akkadian
text and drew upon its content to create the central casuistic laws of Exodus 21:2–22:19, as well as the outer sections of apodictic law in Exodus 20:23–26 (along with the introduction of 21:1) and 22:20–23:19. This primary use of the Laws of Hammurabi was supplemented with the occasional use of material from other cuneiform law collections and from native Israelite-Judean sources and traditions. The time for this textual borrowing was most likely during the Neo-Assyrian period, specifically sometime between 740 and 640 BCE, when

Mesopotamia exerted strong and relatively continuous political control and cultural sway over the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and a time when the Laws of Hammurabi were actively copied in Mesopotamia as a literary-canonical text.

The Covenant Code also appears to be a unified composition, given the influence of Hammurabi’s laws throughout, the thematic integrity resulting from this, the unique scribal talents and interests necessary for the text’s composition, and its temporal proximity to the basic laws of Deuteronomy, which depend on the Covenant Code’s laws and date not much later, probably to the latter half of the seventh century. Moreover, because the Covenant Code is largely a creative rewriting of Mesopotamian sources, it is to be viewed as an academic abstraction rather than a digest of laws practiced by Israelites and Judeans over the course of centuries. Its selective character and the manner in which it reshapes the political and theological landscape of the Laws of Hammurabi, in fact, make it appear to be preeminently an ideological document, a response to Assyrian political and cultural domination.

A clear example of parallelism is seen between the earlier laws of Hammurabi and the later Exodus, I will post Laws of Hammurabi firstly:

Laws of Hammurabi 250–252

250) If an ox gores a man while passing
through the street and kills (him),
that case has no claim.

251) If a man’s ox is a habitual gorer,
and his district has informed him
that it is a habitual gorer, but he did
not file its horns and did not control
his ox, and that ox gores a man (lit.
son of a man) and kills (him), he
shall pay one-half mina (= thirty
shekels) of silver.

252) If it is the slave of a free
person, he shall pay one-third mina
(= twenty shekels) of silver.

Exodus 21:28–32

28) If an ox gores a man or woman and
he dies, the ox shall be stoned, its flesh
shall not be eaten; the owner of the ox
is not liable.

29) If an ox is a habitual gorer, from pre-
vious experience, and its owner hasbeen warned, but he did not restrain
it, and it kills a man or woman, the ox
shall be stoned and its owner shall be
put to death.

30) If ransom is laid upon
him, he shall pay the redemption price
for his life, according to whatever is
laid upon him.
31) Or (if) it gores a son or daughter, it
shall be done for him according to this
law.

32) If the ox gores a male slave or a
female slave, he shall pay thirty
shekels of silver to his (the slave’s)
master and the ox shall be stoned.



When your relationship is to God by means of the filling of the Spirit in relation to Christ as the way to the Father? That's true Christianity.

I disagree that is what "true Christianity" is, though, Christian mythology is fascinating and is noted among the other religious sects, a truly and remarkable popularization Christianity has been made through the years. However, to dissent to that aforementioned opinion of the popularization of Christianity, as compared to other mythology's is subpar and is seen as lacking.

When you talk about relation to Christ, we must have an origin, and we must conflate the Old Testament with the New Testament, as you cannot have one without the other, otherwise you would not have a complete Bible.



Men are often times blaming God for what stupid, stubborn, religious men turn Christianity into. Christianity is something beautiful and too seldom being properly understood. Religion is demanding like an ugly domineering woman that nags you into being what she wants you to be.

Not sure that Christianity differs from any other religion, in fact we find issues in Biblical literature itself. The nature of Christianity is quite understood.

Divine image and representation as the creation of human life is an exception to the rule of creation by divine fiat, as signaled by the replacement of the simple ... Hebrew command (the jussive) with a personal, strongly expressed resolve, the cohortative. Whereas the earlier jussives expressed God’s will with a third person, nonagentive verb form, the cohortative is both first person and agentive. Unlike the jussives, too, the cohortative doesn’t itself create but prepares or introduces the creative act. With justification, then:

The man and the woman in Gen. I ... are ... created ... by God’s own personal decision (v. 26)—a decision unique in the Priestly document’s whole creation account.

Similarly, God participates more intimately and intensively in this than in the earlier works of creation. As the cohortative form suggests, P’s God anticipates a more active role, greater control, and stronger personal involvement in the human creation than in his previous seven creative acts. God’s involvement also runs deeper. As P tells the story, this last creative act coincides with an extraordinary divine event. When God initiates human creation, God takes the opportunity to identify himself, for the first time, in the self-referential first person. At the same time, God’s identity is invested in this human creature and is represented by two characteristics: a divine image and a divine likeness. Humanity resembles divinity through two inherent yet divine features. Of all God’s creations, only humanity is envisioned as comparable to divinity. V. 27 will corroborate and will execute this vision. Its first clause names the creator, the human creature, and the divine image that God invests in human beings (v. 27aα ). Overlapping with the first, the second clause identifies the divine possessor of the image (v. 27aâ ). The third clause deletes reference to the image yet describes the human creature as a constituent pair (v. 27b). V. 27 therefore will reiterate the unique relationship between God and humanity, explains the relationship, and tracks it from its source to its individual heirs. So, the interpretive details of Gen :26–27 are unclear at best. To be sure, the characteristics uniquely shared by creator and creature assert “the incomparable nature of human beings and their special relationship to God.” But when its two nominal components—‘image’and ‘likeness’—are queried, the assertion of incomparability is quickly qualified.

For example, what does the ‘image’ of God signify, and how does the human race reflect it? Or, what is a divine ‘likeness’, how does it compare to the divine ‘image’, and how is the ‘likeness’ reflected in humankind? The responses are often unsatisfying. Very little distinction can be made between the two words. The two terms are used interchangeably and indiscriminately and one has to conclude that “image” and “likeness” are, like “prototype” and “original,” essentially equivalent expressions. They do not seek to describe two different sorts of relationship, but only a single one; the second member of the word-pair does not seek to do more than in some sense to define the first more closely and to reinforce it. That is to say, it seeks so to limit and to fix the likeness and accord between God and man that, in all circumstances, the uniqueness of God will be guarded. These statements, then, testify to the problem.

The ‘image’ is problematic in its own right. For in most of its occurrences, íìö ‘image’ is a concrete noun. And as such, it refers to a representation of form, figure, or physical appearance.

Thus if the human race is created in the ‘image of God’, there is an unavoidable logical implication: God must also be material, physical, corporeal, and, to a certain degree, humanoid. Problematic, too, is the intertextual implication of a concrete, human ‘image’. Indeed, the very existence of such an ‘image’ seems to violate the second commandment, which forbids idols and idolatry (Ex 20: – ; Dt : –10; see also Dt :15–19, and, within the Priestly tradition, Lev 19: , 26: ).


Nonsense. Judaism had the only non polytheistic God amongst all the heathen nations around them with their many gods.

Wrong, Isarealite Polytheism is evident in Biblical literature. Herein Yahweh is show as Baal in Israelite and Canaanite traditions.

Various West Semitic descriptions emphasize Baal’s theophany in the storm (KTU 1.4 V 6-9, 1.6 III 6f., 12f., 1.19 I 42-46) or his role as warrior (KTU 1.2 IV, 1.5 I 1-5, 1.119.26-29, 34-36; RS 16.144.9 334). These two dimensions of Baal are explicitly linked in KTU 1.4 VII 29-35, 1.101.1-4, and EA 147.13-15 as well as some iconography. F. M. Cross treats different descriptions of Baal as a single Gattung with four elements, which appear in these passages in varying degrees. The four components are: (a) the march of the divine warrior, (b) the convulsing of nature as the divine warrior manifests his power, (c) the return of the divine warrior to his holy mountain to assume divine kingship, and (d) the utterance of the divine warrior’s “voice” (i.e., thunder) from his palace, providing rains that fertilize the earth.336 Biblical material deriding other deities reserves power over the storm for Yahweh (Jer. 10:11-16; 14:22; Amos 4:7; 5:8; 9:6). Biblical descriptions of Yahweh as storm-god (1 Sam. 12:18; Psalm 29; Job 38:25-27, 34-38) and divine warrior (Pss. 50:1-3; 97:1-6; 98:1-2; 104:1-4; Deut. 33:2; Judges 4-5; Job 26:11-13; Isa. 42:10-15, etc.) exhibit this underlying unity and pattern explicitly in Psalm 18 (= 2 Sam. 22):6-19, 68:7-10, and 86:9-19.337 Psalm 29, 1 Kings 19, and 2 Esdras 13:1-4 dramatize the meteorological progression underlying the imagery of Yahweh as warrior. All three passages presuppose the image of the storm moving eastward from the Mediterranean Sea to the coast. In 1 Kings 19 and 2 Esdras 13:1-4 this force is portrayed with human imagery. The procession of the divine warrior is accompanied by a contingent of lesser divine beings (Deut. 32:34; 33:2; Hab. 3:5; KTU 1.5 V 6-9; cf. Judg. 5:20). The Ugaritic antecedent to Resheph in Yahweh’s entourage in Habakkuk 3:5 may be KTU 1. 82.1-3, which perhaps includes Resheph as a warrior with Baal against tnn, related to biblical tannînîm.338 Though the power of other Near Eastern warrior-gods was manifest in the storm (e.g., Amun, Ningirsu/Ninurta, Marduk, and Addu/Adad),339 the proximity of terminology and imagery between the Ugaritic and biblical evidence points to an indigenous cultural influence on meteorological descriptions of Yahweh. Israelite tradition modified its Canaanite heritage by molding the march of the divine warrior specifically to the element of Yahweh’s southern sanctuary, variously called Sinai (Deut. 33:2; cf. Judg. 5:5; Ps. 68:9), Paran (Deut. 33:2; Hab. 3:3), Edom (Judg. 5:4), and Teiman (Hab. 3:3 340 and in the Kuntillet ‘Ajrûd inscriptions; cf. Amos 1:12; Ezek. 25:13). This modification may underlie the difference between Baal’s epithet rkb ‘rpt, “cloud-rider” (e.g., CTA 2.4[KTU 1.2 IV].8), and Yahweh’s title, rokeb bāa‘ărābôt, “rider over the steppes,” in Psalm 68:5 (cf. Deut. 33:26; Ps. 104:3),341 although a shared background for this feature is evident from other descriptions of Baal and Yahweh. The notion of Baal riding on a winged war chariot is implicit in mdl, one element in Baal’s meteorological entourage in KTU 1.5 V 6-11.342 Psalm 77:19 refers to the wheels in Yahweh’s storm theophany, which presumes a divine war chariot. Psalm 18 (2 Sam. 22):11 presents Yahweh riding on the wind surrounded by storm clouds. This image forms the basis for the description of the divine chariot in Ezekiel 1 and 10. Psalm 65:12 (E 11) likewise presupposes the storm-chariot image: “You crown your bounteous year, and your tracks drip with fatness.” Similarly, Yahweh’s storm chariot is the image presumed by Habakkuk 3:8 and 15:

Was your wrath against the rivers, O Yahweh?
Was your anger against the rivers,
or your indignation against the sea,
when you rode upon your horses,
upon your chariot of victory?
You trampled the sea with your horses,
the surging of the mighty waters.

The description of Yahweh’s horses fits into the larger context of the storm theophany directed against the cosmic enemies, Sea and River. (The horses in this verse are unrelated to the horses dedicated to the sun in 2 Kings 23:11, unless there was a coalescence of the chariot imagery of the storm and the sun ) The motif of chariot-riding storm-god with his divine entourage extends in Israelite tradition to the divine armies of Yahweh riding on chariots with horses (2 Kings 2:11; 6:17). Other features originally attributed to Baal also accrued to Yahweh. Albright and other scholars 344 have argued the epithet ‘ly, “the Most High,” belonging to Baal in the Ugaritic texts (KTU 1.16 III 6, 8; cf. RS 18.22.4’), appears as a title of Yahweh in 1 Samuel 2:10, 2 Samuel 23:1, Psalms 18 (2 Sam. 22):14 and 68:6, 30, 35 (cf. Dan. 3:26, 32; 4:14, 21, 22, 29, 31; 5:18, 21; 7:25), in the biblical hypocoristicon ‘ē/î, the name of the priest of Shiloh,345 and in Hebrew inscriptional personal names yhw‘ly, “Yahu is Most High,” yw‘ly, “Yaw is Most High,” ̔lyhw, “Most High is Yahu,” and ‘lyw, “Most High is Yaw.”346 The bull iconography that Jeroboam I sponsored in Dan and Bethel (1 Kings 12:28-31) has been attributed to the influence of Baal in the northern kingdom. This imagery represented an old northern tradition of divine iconography for Yahweh used probably as a rival symbol to the traditional royal iconography of the cherubim of the Jerusalem temple.347 The old northern tradition of bull iconography for Yahweh is reflected in the name ‘glyw, which may be translated, “Young bull is Yaw,” in Samaria ostracon 41:1.348 The ca. twelfth-century bull figurine discovered at a site in the hill country of Ephraim and the young bull depicted on the tenth-century Taanach stand likewise involve the iconography of a god, either Yahweh or Baal. 349 Newer discoveries have yielded iconography of a deity on a bull on a ninth-century plaque from Dan and an eighth-century stele from Bethsaida.

Indeed, evidence for Yahweh as bull appears in Amherst Papyrus 63 (column XI): “Horus-Yaho, our bull is with us. May the lord of Bethel answer us on the morrow.”351 Despite later syncretism with Horus, the text apparently preserves a prayer to Yahweh in his emblem-animal as a bull invoked as the patron-god of Bethel. The further question is whether these depictions were specific to either El or Baal (or both) in the Iron Age. The language has been thought also to derive from El, frequently called “bull” (tr) in the Ugaritic texts. There is some evidence pointing to the application of this iconography to El in the IronAge.

The title, ‘ăbîr ya‘ăqōb, “bull of Jacob” (Gen. 49:24; Ps. 132:2, 4), derived from the bovine imagery of El. The image of Yahweh having horns “like the horns of the wild ox” (kĕtô ̔ăpōt rĕ’ēm) in Numbers 24:8 also belongs to this background. Other Late Bronze and Iron I iconographic evidence might favor a connection with Baal.352 The reference to kissing Baal in 1 Kings 19:18 and the allusion to kissing calves in Hosea 13:2 353 would seem to bolster the Baalistic background to the bull iconography in the northern kingdom. However, the mention of kissing bulls in the apparent context of the Bethel cult in Papyrus Amherst 63 (column V) would point to the Yahwistic background of this practice.354 It is also possible that a number of major gods could be regarded as “the divine bull,”355 as this title applies also to Ashim-Bethel in Papyrus Amherst 63 (column XV).356 The polemics against the calf in Samaria in Hosea 8:5 and 10:5 may reflect indignation at the Yahwistic symbol that was associated also with Baal. Similarly, Tobit 1:5 (LXX Vaticanus and Alexandrinus) mentions the worship of “the Baal the calf” ( te Baal tē damalei) in the northern kingdom. Despite the evidence for the attribution of “bull” to Baal in the first millennium, a genetic solution tracing the imagery specifically to either El or Baal may not be applicable. B. Vawter argues that “bull” means no more than chief “male,”357 a point perhaps supported by the secular use of this term in KTU 1.15 IV 6, 8, 17, 19 and 4.360.3.358 The anti-Baalistic polemic of Hosea 13:2 and Tobit 1:5 may also constitute a secondary rejection of this Yahwistic symbol, because bull iconography may have represented both gods in the larger environment of Phoenicia and the northern kingdom.

In any case, the Canaanite tradition of the bull iconography ultimately provides the background for this rendering of Yahweh. Common to both Yahweh and Baal was also a constellation of motifs surrounding their martial and meteorological natures. The best-known and oldest of these motifs is perhaps the defeat of cosmic foes who are variously termed Leviathan, ‘qltn, tnn,

The seven-headed beast, Yamm, and Mot. A second-millennium seal from Mari depicts a god thrusting a spear into waters, apparently representing the conflict of the West Semitic war-god with the cosmic waters (cf. the piercing, *hll, of the serpent in Job 26:13 and of tannîn in Isa. 51:9).359 This conflict corresponds at Ugarit with Baal’s struggle with Yamm in KTU 1.2 IV, although Yamm appears as Anat’s adversary in KTU 1.3 III 43. Yamm appears as a destructive force in the Ugaritic texts (KTU 1.14 I 19-20; cf. 1.2 IV 3-4) and a proud antagonist to the divine warrior in the biblical record (Job 38:11; Ps. 89:10 [E 9]). Baal’s victory over Yamm in KTU 1.2 IV 27-34 presents the possibility of Yamm’s annihilation (*kly; cf. KTU 1.3 III 38-39, 46) and then proclaims his death, an image that appears rarely in biblical material (Rev. 21:1; cf. Testament of Moses 10:6). 360 Various biblical texts depict the divine defeat of Yamm with other images: the stilling (*sbhl *rg’) of Yamm (Pss. 65:8 [E 7]; 89:10 [E 9]; Job 26:11); the crushing 361 (*prr) of Yamm (Ps. 74:13; cf. the crushing, *dk’, of Rahab in Ps. 89:11 [E 10]); the drying up (*hrb) of Yamm (Isa. 51:10); the establishment of a boundary (gĕbûl) for Yamm (Ps. 104:9; Jer. 5:22; cf. Prov. 8:29); the placement of a guard (mišmār) over Yamm (Job 7:12); and the closing of Yamm behind doors (Job 38:8, 10); compare the hacking of Rahab into pieces (*hsb; Isa. 51:9); and the scattering (*pzr) of cosmic enemies (Ps. 89:11 [E 10]).

A seal from Tel Asmar (ca. 2200) depicts a god battling a seven-headed dragon, a foe identified as Baal’s enemy in CTA 5.1 (KTU 1.5 I).3 (and reconstructed in 30) and Yahweh’s adversary in Psalm 74:13 and Revelation 13:1.362 A shell plaque of unknown provenance depicts a god kneeling before a fiery seven-headed dragon.363 Leviathan, Baal’s enemy mentioned in CTA 5.1 (KTU 1.5 I).1 (and reconstructed in 28), appears as Yahweh’s opponent and creature in Isaiah 27:1, Job 3:8, 26:13, 40:25 (E 41:1), Psalm 104:26, and 2 Esdras 6:49, 52.364 In Psalm 74:13-14 (cf. Ezek. 32:2), both Leviathan and the tannînîm have multiple heads, the latter known as Anat’s enemy in 1.83.9-10 and in a list of cosmic foes in CTA 3.3(D).35-39 (= KTU 1.3 III 38-42). This Ugaritic list includes “Sea,” Yamm//“River,” Nahar, Baal’s great enemy in CTA 2.4 (KTU 1.2 IV). In Isaiah 11:15 the traditions of Sea//River and the seven-headed dragon appear in conflated form:

And the Yahweh will utterly destroy the tongue of the sea of Egypt, and will wave his hand over the River with his scorching wind, and smite it into seven channels that men may cross dry-shod. Here the destruction of Egypt combines both mythic motifs with the ancient tradition of crossing the Red Sea in Egypt. The seven-headed figure is attested in other biblical passages. In Psalm 89:10 the seven-headed figure is Rahab, mentioned in Isaiah 51:9-11 in the company of tannîn and Yamm. The seven-headed enemy also appears in Revelation 12:3, 13:1, 17:3 and in extrabiblical material, including Qiddushin 29b, Odes of Solomon 22:5, and Pistis Sophia 66.365 Yamm appears in late apocalyptic writing as the source of the destructive beasts symbolizing successive empires (Dan. 7:3). J. Day has suggested that this imagery developed from the symbolization of political states hostile to Israel as beasts.366 For example, Rahab stands for Egypt (Isa. 30:7; Ps. 87:4), the River for Assyria (Isa. 8:5-8; cf. 17:12-14), tannîn for Babylon (jer. 51:34).367 This type of equation is at work in a less explicit way in Psalm 18 (2 Sam. 22):4-18. In this composition, monarchic victory over political enemies (w. 4, 18) is described in terms of a storm theophany over cosmic waters (w. 8-17). Because of the political use of the cosmic enemies, Day suspects that a political allusion lies behind the figure of Leviathan in Isaiah 27:1.368 Finally, the figure of Mot, “Death,” is attested in KTU 1.4 VIII-1.6 and 2.10 and in several biblical passages, including Isaiah 25:8, 28:15 and 18, Jeremiah 9:20, Hosea 13:14, Habakkuk 2:5, Psalm 18(2 Sam. 22):5-6, Revelation 21:4 (cf. Odes of Solomon 15:9; 29:4).369 Biblical Mot is personified as a demon, in the manner of Ugaritic Mot in KTU 1.127 and Mesopotamian mütu. As J. Tigay has observed, this background would explain the description of Mot in Jeremiah 9:20 better than either U. Cassuto’s recourse to the episode of the window in Baal’s palace (KTU 1.4 V-VII) or S. Paul’s comparison with the Mesopotamian demon Lamashtu.370 Biblical descriptions of the east wind as an instrument of divine destruction may have derived from the imagery of Mot in Canaanite tradition, although mythological dependency is not necessarily indicated in this instance. The juxtaposition of the east wind and personified Death in Hosea 13:14-15 may presuppose the mythological background of Mot as manifest in the sirocco.

Like the motif of the divine foes, the biblical motif of the divine mountainous abode derives primarily from the Northwest Semitic tradition of divinely inhabited mountains, especially the Baal’s mountainous home of Sapan (ṣpn), modern Jebel el-Aqra‘. This dependency on language connected with Sapan in Ugaritic tradition is especially manifest in the identification of Mount Zion as yarkĕtê sāpôn, “the recesses of the north,” in Psalm 48:3 (cf. Isa. 14:13) and the MT’s apparent substitution of Zion for spn in the Aramaic version of Psalm 20:3 written in Demotic.372 According to Josephus (Antiquities 7.174), Belsephon was a city in the territory of Ephraim.373 Saphon is the site of conflict between Baal and his cosmic enemies, Yamm (KTU 1.1 V 5, 18) and Mot (KTU 1.6 VI 12). The same mountain, modern Jebel el-Aqra‛, Mount Hazzi in Hittite tradition, occurs in the narrative of conflict between the storm-god and Ullikumi.374 In classical tradition, the same peak, Mons Cassius, was one site of conflict between Zeus and Typhon (Apollodorus, The Library 1.6.3; Strabo, Geography 16.2.7).375 Herodotus (History 3.5) records that Typhon was buried by the Sirbonian Sea, which was adjacent to the Egyptian Mount Saphon.376 Similarly, Zion is the place where Yahweh will take up battle (Joel 3:9-17, 19-21; Zech. 14:4; 2 Esdras 13:35; cf. Isa. 66:18-21; Ezekiel 38-39). The descriptions of Yahweh’s taking his stand as warrior on top of Mount Zion (Isa. 31:4; Zech. 14:4; 2 Esdras 13:35) also echo depictions of the Hittite and Syrian storm-gods standing with each foot on a mountain.377 Saphon and Zion share a number of epithets. For example, KTU 1.3 III 13-31 (cf. IV 7-20), cited in full in the previous section, applies qdš, “holy place,” n‛m, “pleasant place,” and nḥlt, “inheritance,” to Baal’s mountain. Similarly, Psalms 46:5 and 48:2 describe Zion as *qōdeš (cf. Exod. 15:13; Pss. 87:1; 93:5; KAI 17:1, 78:5 [?]), while Psalm 27:4 calls Yahweh’s mountain nõ‛am (cf. Ps. 16:6).378 As Greenfield has observed, nō‛am in Psalm 27:4 is followed in the next verse by wordplay or paronomasia on the root *ṣpn.379 Yahweh’s mountain is called a naḥălāh, “portion” (Ps. 79:1; Jer. 12:7; cf. Exod. 15:17; Ps. 16:6). The epithets for Zion and the way they are listed together in Psalm 48:2-3 likewise recall the titles for Sapan in KTU 1.3 III 29-31.380 The mountainous temple home from which Baal utters his voice and rains lavishly upon the earth (KTU 1.4 V-VII) appears not only in descriptions of Yahweh roaring from Zion (Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2) or giving forth rains (Isa. 30:19; Jer. 3:3; 5:24; 10:13;

14:4; 51:16; Amos 4:7) but also in postexilic discussions of the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. The tradition of the temple home that guarantees the life-giving rains underlies the relationship between tithe and temple in Malachi 3:10. This passage reflects the notion that payment of the tithe to the temple would induce Yahweh to open the windows of heaven and pour down crop-producing rains. Similarly, Haggai 1:7-11 attributes drought and scarcity to the failure to rebuild the temple.381 Yahweh’s role as the divine source of rain appears elsewhere in postexilic prophecy (Zech. 10:1). Joel 4 (E 3) presents various aspects of the mountain tradition. It is the divine home (4:17 [E 3:17]), the location of Yahweh’s roar (4:16 [E 3:16]), the site of divine battle (4:9-15 [E 3:9-15]) with heavenly hosts (4:11-13 [E 3:11-13]; cf. 2:1-11), and the origin of the divine rains issuing in terrestrial fertility (4:18 [E 3:18]).

In sum, the motifs associated with Baal in Canaanite literature are widely manifest in Israelite religion. The Baal cycle (KTU 1.1-6) presents the sequence of defeating the enemy, Sea, followed by the building of the divine palace for the divine warrior, and concluding with the vanquishing of the enemy, Death. This pattern of features appears in a wide variety of biblical texts describing divine presence and action. Rabbinic aggadah and Christian literature continue these motifs. Indeed, the defeat of Sea, the building of the heavenly palace, and the destruction of death belong to the future divine transformation of the world in Revelation 21:1-4. These motifs are of further importance for the long life that some of them enjoyed; for example, the motif of Leviathan is attested in religious documents into the modern period.
 
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Last time I check the Bible, Christianity is a religion.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Interesting.... the only one that had to bring in "religion" was James. His church was riddled with religious legalists. Many were even returning to the temple to offer animal sacrifices in spite of the Cross of Christ having dealt with our sins! That is why Hebrews 6:4-6 was needed to be written!

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."

The religious Jewish believers were re-crucifying Jesus by submitting to the religious experience of offering animal sacrifices for their sins. Its was a public disgrace to the atoning work of Christ!

The Jewish believers in Jerusalem had become a religious mess! Its why the temple in Jerusalem was finally destroyed in 70AD by God in using Rome to burn down and destroy the Temple where the sacrifices had been mocking the Cross of Christ!

Yes... James had to deal with terribly religious Jews, and some accounts say he was martyred by them because of it! What a mess religion makes of Christianity.

"Religion is self righteousness getting its way. "

Please show me in the Bible where the phrase "personal relationship" is shown. Or for that matter of fact "persona" or "relationship"

Religion is death to God. Even though God is mentioned by religion.

Life with the Father through Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit is the life Jesus came to give.
 
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To caveat out to this posting, this is why apologetic's doesn't work. Most Christian rhetoric is based on philosophical approaches that stem from secularism. Not to mention the catchy phrases that Christians have invented such as "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist".

In lieu of this for the atheist I would have to say that the best I can provide for an atheist, is that there is a possibility of a God existing or Gods, but I can't take it any further than that. While I believe in Gods, I don't expect anyone else to believe.

But, for the atheist I do recommend keeping an open mind when it comes to debunking Christianity, let me clarify. I suggest a study of ancient near east for atheists in order to show Christians that in fact Biblical Monotheism develops from Polytheism, no matter which God is being worshiped.






If Abraham existed, and that is hotly debated, hence I am not sure that Abraham even did exist. I would hardly call worshiping and enjoining in rituals with Melchezedik to worship Yahweh a break away from Polytheism. I won't bring up Bible verses, because you call any Bible verse "cherry picking".

Please point out where the Sumerian's burned babies, and where they built golden calves?

Yahweh would oft require human sacrifice.

You do realize that male prostitutes were brought into Jewish temples, and when they were eradicated in Leviticus that females still could pay for their vows with sex.

Abraham travels to Canaan, by this time in Canaan they are already Semitic, as the Semitic tongue exists. Sumerian's are conquered by the Akkadian's, so if Abraham did exist it would make sense that he spoke a Semitic tongue, this is a linguistics issue, not a spiritual issue.

I would struggle to find linguistic similarities in the Bible? LOL....Sumer tongue is years before Semitic tongue. Sumerian tongue is incorporated into Semitic tongue in origin when the people of Akkad show up, the people of Canaan are much later. Go read on ancient near eastern history, in no way shape and or form will you find that Semitic tongue predates Sumerian tongue.




Moses was a Yahwehist, so yes he would have penned the Torah. However, there is a conflict, in Egyptian history there is a sect of dwellers that exodus from Egypt, they are monotheistic, and are called the Akhenaten, it wasn't the Israelite's who exodus from Egypt. The Akhenaten are also monotheistic, and exodus from Egypt.


The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob stems from Canaan, hence Yahweh who is a storm God; Yahweh is shown to be Baal.



Henotheism is the term you are looking for. The worship of one God over other Gods, the Israelite's adopt Monotheism via Henotheism while in Babylonian captivity.

You really need to study before approaching me, I haven't even gotten into any literature on these old cultures. Do you have any clue what you are doing?
As I stated numerous times before, there is a difference between linguistic similarities and linguistic dependence where you have made the sweeping assumption that they are the same --- unfortunately for you, they are not. You brought up literature of cultures that predate the Pentateuch, something I assume you fancy yourself as an expert on. A good example between differences between similarities and dependency would be the biblical story of the Flood having no assertion of literary dependency from The Epic of Gilgamesh. Even scholars that do think the Hebrew accounts were dependent on the earlier Mesopotamian accounts are quick to point out that they are not literary dependent. Though the biblical Flood narrative and the Gilgamesh poem are superficially similar, the differences between the accounts are quite significant.

When you understand this, it is easy to distinguish which God I am referring to when it is written through the context of "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." "Elohim" in the Bible could be used either in the singular or plural depending on the context and the linguistic qualifiers that surround it; yet it is spelled the same regardless of the use. These considerations are important, because even though "Elohim" is most often translated as God, it can, for example, also be properly translated in the plural, as gods. Even when the word is translated as "gods," it can either mean inanimate gods, idols, or supernatural spirits, angels or demons - presenting themselves as false gods. Elohim can also mean "divine beings" in general, or even us, as Jesus himself said, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:33-34)

The rest of your post is found to be wanting, and displays a pseudo understanding of historical accuracy and biblical context. You can bring up Bible verses if you want, but expect to be called out on it if you cherry pick verses to suit a pattern to fit an assumption. Without any context, one could spend a lifetime going into an endless kaleidoscope of metaphysical musings from a verse or two.

My point can be divided into three points, and are best considered on why using linguistic similarities as grounds of borrowing for structuring belief systems is a flawed approach:

1. Lack of textual substance (biblical and non-biblical) that reflect commonality between God and the other gods.
2. Lack of linguistic and literary dependence.
3. The adaption of etymology in Mesopotamia as confirmation of the Israelites cultural and religious dependency is a non sequitur.
 
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Last time I check the Bible, Christianity is a religion.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Please show me in the Bible where the phrase "personal relationship" is shown. Or for that matter of fact "persona" or "relationship"


However, "man made" rules are incorporated into the Bible, example, the law collection, the pinnacle of the revelation at Mount Sinai according to the story of Exodus 19–24, is directly, primarily, and throughout dependent upon the Laws of Hammurabi. The biblical text imitated the structure of this Akkadian
text and drew upon its content to create the central casuistic laws of Exodus 21:2–22:19, as well as the outer sections of apodictic law in Exodus 20:23–26 (along with the introduction of 21:1) and 22:20–23:19. This primary use of the Laws of Hammurabi was supplemented with the occasional use of material from other cuneiform law collections and from native Israelite-Judean sources and traditions. The time for this textual borrowing was most likely during the Neo-Assyrian period, specifically sometime between 740 and 640 BCE, when

Mesopotamia exerted strong and relatively continuous political control and cultural sway over the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and a time when the Laws of Hammurabi were actively copied in Mesopotamia as a literary-canonical text.

The Covenant Code also appears to be a unified composition, given the influence of Hammurabi’s laws throughout, the thematic integrity resulting from this, the unique scribal talents and interests necessary for the text’s composition, and its temporal proximity to the basic laws of Deuteronomy, which depend on the Covenant Code’s laws and date not much later, probably to the latter half of the seventh century. Moreover, because the Covenant Code is largely a creative rewriting of Mesopotamian sources, it is to be viewed as an academic abstraction rather than a digest of laws practiced by Israelites and Judeans over the course of centuries. Its selective character and the manner in which it reshapes the political and theological landscape of the Laws of Hammurabi, in fact, make it appear to be preeminently an ideological document, a response to Assyrian political and cultural domination.

A clear example of parallelism is seen between the earlier laws of Hammurabi and the later Exodus, I will post Laws of Hammurabi firstly:

Laws of Hammurabi 250–252

250) If an ox gores a man while passing
through the street and kills (him),
that case has no claim.

251) If a man’s ox is a habitual gorer,
and his district has informed him
that it is a habitual gorer, but he did
not file its horns and did not control
his ox, and that ox gores a man (lit.
son of a man) and kills (him), he
shall pay one-half mina (= thirty
shekels) of silver.

252) If it is the slave of a free
person, he shall pay one-third mina
(= twenty shekels) of silver.

Exodus 21:28–32

28) If an ox gores a man or woman and
he dies, the ox shall be stoned, its flesh
shall not be eaten; the owner of the ox
is not liable.

29) If an ox is a habitual gorer, from pre-
vious experience, and its owner hasbeen warned, but he did not restrain
it, and it kills a man or woman, the ox
shall be stoned and its owner shall be
put to death.

30) If ransom is laid upon
him, he shall pay the redemption price
for his life, according to whatever is
laid upon him.
31) Or (if) it gores a son or daughter, it
shall be done for him according to this
law.

32) If the ox gores a male slave or a
female slave, he shall pay thirty
shekels of silver to his (the slave’s)
master and the ox shall be stoned.





I disagree that is what "true Christianity" is, though, Christian mythology is fascinating and is noted among the other religious sects, a truly and remarkable popularization Christianity has been made through the years. However, to dissent to that aforementioned opinion of the popularization of Christianity, as compared to other mythology's is subpar and is seen as lacking.

When you talk about relation to Christ, we must have an origin, and we must conflate the Old Testament with the New Testament, as you cannot have one without the other, otherwise you would not have a complete Bible.





Not sure that Christianity differs from any other religion, in fact we find issues in Biblical literature itself. The nature of Christianity is quite understood.

Divine image and representation as the creation of human life is an exception to the rule of creation by divine fiat, as signaled by the replacement of the simple ... Hebrew command (the jussive) with a personal, strongly expressed resolve, the cohortative. Whereas the earlier jussives expressed God’s will with a third person, nonagentive verb form, the cohortative is both first person and agentive. Unlike the jussives, too, the cohortative doesn’t itself create but prepares or introduces the creative act. With justification, then:

The man and the woman in Gen. I ... are ... created ... by God’s own personal decision (v. 26)—a decision unique in the Priestly document’s whole creation account.

Similarly, God participates more intimately and intensively in this than in the earlier works of creation. As the cohortative form suggests, P’s God anticipates a more active role, greater control, and stronger personal involvement in the human creation than in his previous seven creative acts. God’s involvement also runs deeper. As P tells the story, this last creative act coincides with an extraordinary divine event. When God initiates human creation, God takes the opportunity to identify himself, for the first time, in the self-referential first person. At the same time, God’s identity is invested in this human creature and is represented by two characteristics: a divine image and a divine likeness. Humanity resembles divinity through two inherent yet divine features. Of all God’s creations, only humanity is envisioned as comparable to divinity. V. 27 will corroborate and will execute this vision. Its first clause names the creator, the human creature, and the divine image that God invests in human beings (v. 27aα ). Overlapping with the first, the second clause identifies the divine possessor of the image (v. 27aâ ). The third clause deletes reference to the image yet describes the human creature as a constituent pair (v. 27b). V. 27 therefore will reiterate the unique relationship between God and humanity, explains the relationship, and tracks it from its source to its individual heirs. So, the interpretive details of Gen :26–27 are unclear at best. To be sure, the characteristics uniquely shared by creator and creature assert “the incomparable nature of human beings and their special relationship to God.” But when its two nominal components—‘image’and ‘likeness’—are queried, the assertion of incomparability is quickly qualified.

For example, what does the ‘image’ of God signify, and how does the human race reflect it? Or, what is a divine ‘likeness’, how does it compare to the divine ‘image’, and how is the ‘likeness’ reflected in humankind? The responses are often unsatisfying. Very little distinction can be made between the two words. The two terms are used interchangeably and indiscriminately and one has to conclude that “image” and “likeness” are, like “prototype” and “original,” essentially equivalent expressions. They do not seek to describe two different sorts of relationship, but only a single one; the second member of the word-pair does not seek to do more than in some sense to define the first more closely and to reinforce it. That is to say, it seeks so to limit and to fix the likeness and accord between God and man that, in all circumstances, the uniqueness of God will be guarded. These statements, then, testify to the problem.

The ‘image’ is problematic in its own right. For in most of its occurrences, íìö ‘image’ is a concrete noun. And as such, it refers to a representation of form, figure, or physical appearance.

Thus if the human race is created in the ‘image of God’, there is an unavoidable logical implication: God must also be material, physical, corporeal, and, to a certain degree, humanoid. Problematic, too, is the intertextual implication of a concrete, human ‘image’. Indeed, the very existence of such an ‘image’ seems to violate the second commandment, which forbids idols and idolatry (Ex 20: – ; Dt : –10; see also Dt :15–19, and, within the Priestly tradition, Lev 19: , 26: ).




Wrong, Isarealite Polytheism is evident in Biblical literature. Herein Yahweh is show as Baal in Israelite and Canaanite traditions.

Various West Semitic descriptions emphasize Baal’s theophany in the storm (KTU 1.4 V 6-9, 1.6 III 6f., 12f., 1.19 I 42-46) or his role as warrior (KTU 1.2 IV, 1.5 I 1-5, 1.119.26-29, 34-36; RS 16.144.9 334). These two dimensions of Baal are explicitly linked in KTU 1.4 VII 29-35, 1.101.1-4, and EA 147.13-15 as well as some iconography. F. M. Cross treats different descriptions of Baal as a single Gattung with four elements, which appear in these passages in varying degrees. The four components are: (a) the march of the divine warrior, (b) the convulsing of nature as the divine warrior manifests his power, (c) the return of the divine warrior to his holy mountain to assume divine kingship, and (d) the utterance of the divine warrior’s “voice” (i.e., thunder) from his palace, providing rains that fertilize the earth.336 Biblical material deriding other deities reserves power over the storm for Yahweh (Jer. 10:11-16; 14:22; Amos 4:7; 5:8; 9:6). Biblical descriptions of Yahweh as storm-god (1 Sam. 12:18; Psalm 29; Job 38:25-27, 34-38) and divine warrior (Pss. 50:1-3; 97:1-6; 98:1-2; 104:1-4; Deut. 33:2; Judges 4-5; Job 26:11-13; Isa. 42:10-15, etc.) exhibit this underlying unity and pattern explicitly in Psalm 18 (= 2 Sam. 22):6-19, 68:7-10, and 86:9-19.337 Psalm 29, 1 Kings 19, and 2 Esdras 13:1-4 dramatize the meteorological progression underlying the imagery of Yahweh as warrior. All three passages presuppose the image of the storm moving eastward from the Mediterranean Sea to the coast. In 1 Kings 19 and 2 Esdras 13:1-4 this force is portrayed with human imagery. The procession of the divine warrior is accompanied by a contingent of lesser divine beings (Deut. 32:34; 33:2; Hab. 3:5; KTU 1.5 V 6-9; cf. Judg. 5:20). The Ugaritic antecedent to Resheph in Yahweh’s entourage in Habakkuk 3:5 may be KTU 1. 82.1-3, which perhaps includes Resheph as a warrior with Baal against tnn, related to biblical tannînîm.338 Though the power of other Near Eastern warrior-gods was manifest in the storm (e.g., Amun, Ningirsu/Ninurta, Marduk, and Addu/Adad),339 the proximity of terminology and imagery between the Ugaritic and biblical evidence points to an indigenous cultural influence on meteorological descriptions of Yahweh. Israelite tradition modified its Canaanite heritage by molding the march of the divine warrior specifically to the element of Yahweh’s southern sanctuary, variously called Sinai (Deut. 33:2; cf. Judg. 5:5; Ps. 68:9), Paran (Deut. 33:2; Hab. 3:3), Edom (Judg. 5:4), and Teiman (Hab. 3:3 340 and in the Kuntillet ‘Ajrûd inscriptions; cf. Amos 1:12; Ezek. 25:13). This modification may underlie the difference between Baal’s epithet rkb ‘rpt, “cloud-rider” (e.g., CTA 2.4[KTU 1.2 IV].8), and Yahweh’s title, rokeb bāa‘ărābôt, “rider over the steppes,” in Psalm 68:5 (cf. Deut. 33:26; Ps. 104:3),341 although a shared background for this feature is evident from other descriptions of Baal and Yahweh. The notion of Baal riding on a winged war chariot is implicit in mdl, one element in Baal’s meteorological entourage in KTU 1.5 V 6-11.342 Psalm 77:19 refers to the wheels in Yahweh’s storm theophany, which presumes a divine war chariot. Psalm 18 (2 Sam. 22):11 presents Yahweh riding on the wind surrounded by storm clouds. This image forms the basis for the description of the divine chariot in Ezekiel 1 and 10. Psalm 65:12 (E 11) likewise presupposes the storm-chariot image: “You crown your bounteous year, and your tracks drip with fatness.” Similarly, Yahweh’s storm chariot is the image presumed by Habakkuk 3:8 and 15:

Was your wrath against the rivers, O Yahweh?
Was your anger against the rivers,
or your indignation against the sea,
when you rode upon your horses,
upon your chariot of victory?
You trampled the sea with your horses,
the surging of the mighty waters.

The description of Yahweh’s horses fits into the larger context of the storm theophany directed against the cosmic enemies, Sea and River. (The horses in this verse are unrelated to the horses dedicated to the sun in 2 Kings 23:11, unless there was a coalescence of the chariot imagery of the storm and the sun ) The motif of chariot-riding storm-god with his divine entourage extends in Israelite tradition to the divine armies of Yahweh riding on chariots with horses (2 Kings 2:11; 6:17). Other features originally attributed to Baal also accrued to Yahweh. Albright and other scholars 344 have argued the epithet ‘ly, “the Most High,” belonging to Baal in the Ugaritic texts (KTU 1.16 III 6, 8; cf. RS 18.22.4’), appears as a title of Yahweh in 1 Samuel 2:10, 2 Samuel 23:1, Psalms 18 (2 Sam. 22):14 and 68:6, 30, 35 (cf. Dan. 3:26, 32; 4:14, 21, 22, 29, 31; 5:18, 21; 7:25), in the biblical hypocoristicon ‘ē/î, the name of the priest of Shiloh,345 and in Hebrew inscriptional personal names yhw‘ly, “Yahu is Most High,” yw‘ly, “Yaw is Most High,” ̔lyhw, “Most High is Yahu,” and ‘lyw, “Most High is Yaw.”346 The bull iconography that Jeroboam I sponsored in Dan and Bethel (1 Kings 12:28-31) has been attributed to the influence of Baal in the northern kingdom. This imagery represented an old northern tradition of divine iconography for Yahweh used probably as a rival symbol to the traditional royal iconography of the cherubim of the Jerusalem temple.347 The old northern tradition of bull iconography for Yahweh is reflected in the name ‘glyw, which may be translated, “Young bull is Yaw,” in Samaria ostracon 41:1.348 The ca. twelfth-century bull figurine discovered at a site in the hill country of Ephraim and the young bull depicted on the tenth-century Taanach stand likewise involve the iconography of a god, either Yahweh or Baal. 349 Newer discoveries have yielded iconography of a deity on a bull on a ninth-century plaque from Dan and an eighth-century stele from Bethsaida.

Indeed, evidence for Yahweh as bull appears in Amherst Papyrus 63 (column XI): “Horus-Yaho, our bull is with us. May the lord of Bethel answer us on the morrow.”351 Despite later syncretism with Horus, the text apparently preserves a prayer to Yahweh in his emblem-animal as a bull invoked as the patron-god of Bethel. The further question is whether these depictions were specific to either El or Baal (or both) in the Iron Age. The language has been thought also to derive from El, frequently called “bull” (tr) in the Ugaritic texts. There is some evidence pointing to the application of this iconography to El in the IronAge.

The title, ‘ăbîr ya‘ăqōb, “bull of Jacob” (Gen. 49:24; Ps. 132:2, 4), derived from the bovine imagery of El. The image of Yahweh having horns “like the horns of the wild ox” (kĕtô ̔ăpōt rĕ’ēm) in Numbers 24:8 also belongs to this background. Other Late Bronze and Iron I iconographic evidence might favor a connection with Baal.352 The reference to kissing Baal in 1 Kings 19:18 and the allusion to kissing calves in Hosea 13:2 353 would seem to bolster the Baalistic background to the bull iconography in the northern kingdom. However, the mention of kissing bulls in the apparent context of the Bethel cult in Papyrus Amherst 63 (column V) would point to the Yahwistic background of this practice.354 It is also possible that a number of major gods could be regarded as “the divine bull,”355 as this title applies also to Ashim-Bethel in Papyrus Amherst 63 (column XV).356 The polemics against the calf in Samaria in Hosea 8:5 and 10:5 may reflect indignation at the Yahwistic symbol that was associated also with Baal. Similarly, Tobit 1:5 (LXX Vaticanus and Alexandrinus) mentions the worship of “the Baal the calf” ( te Baal tē damalei) in the northern kingdom. Despite the evidence for the attribution of “bull” to Baal in the first millennium, a genetic solution tracing the imagery specifically to either El or Baal may not be applicable. B. Vawter argues that “bull” means no more than chief “male,”357 a point perhaps supported by the secular use of this term in KTU 1.15 IV 6, 8, 17, 19 and 4.360.3.358 The anti-Baalistic polemic of Hosea 13:2 and Tobit 1:5 may also constitute a secondary rejection of this Yahwistic symbol, because bull iconography may have represented both gods in the larger environment of Phoenicia and the northern kingdom.

In any case, the Canaanite tradition of the bull iconography ultimately provides the background for this rendering of Yahweh. Common to both Yahweh and Baal was also a constellation of motifs surrounding their martial and meteorological natures. The best-known and oldest of these motifs is perhaps the defeat of cosmic foes who are variously termed Leviathan, ‘qltn, tnn,

The seven-headed beast, Yamm, and Mot. A second-millennium seal from Mari depicts a god thrusting a spear into waters, apparently representing the conflict of the West Semitic war-god with the cosmic waters (cf. the piercing, *hll, of the serpent in Job 26:13 and of tannîn in Isa. 51:9).359 This conflict corresponds at Ugarit with Baal’s struggle with Yamm in KTU 1.2 IV, although Yamm appears as Anat’s adversary in KTU 1.3 III 43. Yamm appears as a destructive force in the Ugaritic texts (KTU 1.14 I 19-20; cf. 1.2 IV 3-4) and a proud antagonist to the divine warrior in the biblical record (Job 38:11; Ps. 89:10 [E 9]). Baal’s victory over Yamm in KTU 1.2 IV 27-34 presents the possibility of Yamm’s annihilation (*kly; cf. KTU 1.3 III 38-39, 46) and then proclaims his death, an image that appears rarely in biblical material (Rev. 21:1; cf. Testament of Moses 10:6). 360 Various biblical texts depict the divine defeat of Yamm with other images: the stilling (*sbhl *rg’) of Yamm (Pss. 65:8 [E 7]; 89:10 [E 9]; Job 26:11); the crushing 361 (*prr) of Yamm (Ps. 74:13; cf. the crushing, *dk’, of Rahab in Ps. 89:11 [E 10]); the drying up (*hrb) of Yamm (Isa. 51:10); the establishment of a boundary (gĕbûl) for Yamm (Ps. 104:9; Jer. 5:22; cf. Prov. 8:29); the placement of a guard (mišmār) over Yamm (Job 7:12); and the closing of Yamm behind doors (Job 38:8, 10); compare the hacking of Rahab into pieces (*hsb; Isa. 51:9); and the scattering (*pzr) of cosmic enemies (Ps. 89:11 [E 10]).

A seal from Tel Asmar (ca. 2200) depicts a god battling a seven-headed dragon, a foe identified as Baal’s enemy in CTA 5.1 (KTU 1.5 I).3 (and reconstructed in 30) and Yahweh’s adversary in Psalm 74:13 and Revelation 13:1.362 A shell plaque of unknown provenance depicts a god kneeling before a fiery seven-headed dragon.363 Leviathan, Baal’s enemy mentioned in CTA 5.1 (KTU 1.5 I).1 (and reconstructed in 28), appears as Yahweh’s opponent and creature in Isaiah 27:1, Job 3:8, 26:13, 40:25 (E 41:1), Psalm 104:26, and 2 Esdras 6:49, 52.364 In Psalm 74:13-14 (cf. Ezek. 32:2), both Leviathan and the tannînîm have multiple heads, the latter known as Anat’s enemy in 1.83.9-10 and in a list of cosmic foes in CTA 3.3(D).35-39 (= KTU 1.3 III 38-42). This Ugaritic list includes “Sea,” Yamm//“River,” Nahar, Baal’s great enemy in CTA 2.4 (KTU 1.2 IV). In Isaiah 11:15 the traditions of Sea//River and the seven-headed dragon appear in conflated form:

And the Yahweh will utterly destroy the tongue of the sea of Egypt, and will wave his hand over the River with his scorching wind, and smite it into seven channels that men may cross dry-shod. Here the destruction of Egypt combines both mythic motifs with the ancient tradition of crossing the Red Sea in Egypt. The seven-headed figure is attested in other biblical passages. In Psalm 89:10 the seven-headed figure is Rahab, mentioned in Isaiah 51:9-11 in the company of tannîn and Yamm. The seven-headed enemy also appears in Revelation 12:3, 13:1, 17:3 and in extrabiblical material, including Qiddushin 29b, Odes of Solomon 22:5, and Pistis Sophia 66.365 Yamm appears in late apocalyptic writing as the source of the destructive beasts symbolizing successive empires (Dan. 7:3). J. Day has suggested that this imagery developed from the symbolization of political states hostile to Israel as beasts.366 For example, Rahab stands for Egypt (Isa. 30:7; Ps. 87:4), the River for Assyria (Isa. 8:5-8; cf. 17:12-14), tannîn for Babylon (jer. 51:34).367 This type of equation is at work in a less explicit way in Psalm 18 (2 Sam. 22):4-18. In this composition, monarchic victory over political enemies (w. 4, 18) is described in terms of a storm theophany over cosmic waters (w. 8-17). Because of the political use of the cosmic enemies, Day suspects that a political allusion lies behind the figure of Leviathan in Isaiah 27:1.368 Finally, the figure of Mot, “Death,” is attested in KTU 1.4 VIII-1.6 and 2.10 and in several biblical passages, including Isaiah 25:8, 28:15 and 18, Jeremiah 9:20, Hosea 13:14, Habakkuk 2:5, Psalm 18(2 Sam. 22):5-6, Revelation 21:4 (cf. Odes of Solomon 15:9; 29:4).369 Biblical Mot is personified as a demon, in the manner of Ugaritic Mot in KTU 1.127 and Mesopotamian mütu. As J. Tigay has observed, this background would explain the description of Mot in Jeremiah 9:20 better than either U. Cassuto’s recourse to the episode of the window in Baal’s palace (KTU 1.4 V-VII) or S. Paul’s comparison with the Mesopotamian demon Lamashtu.370 Biblical descriptions of the east wind as an instrument of divine destruction may have derived from the imagery of Mot in Canaanite tradition, although mythological dependency is not necessarily indicated in this instance. The juxtaposition of the east wind and personified Death in Hosea 13:14-15 may presuppose the mythological background of Mot as manifest in the sirocco.

Like the motif of the divine foes, the biblical motif of the divine mountainous abode derives primarily from the Northwest Semitic tradition of divinely inhabited mountains, especially the Baal’s mountainous home of Sapan (ṣpn), modern Jebel el-Aqra‘. This dependency on language connected with Sapan in Ugaritic tradition is especially manifest in the identification of Mount Zion as yarkĕtê sāpôn, “the recesses of the north,” in Psalm 48:3 (cf. Isa. 14:13) and the MT’s apparent substitution of Zion for spn in the Aramaic version of Psalm 20:3 written in Demotic.372 According to Josephus (Antiquities 7.174), Belsephon was a city in the territory of Ephraim.373 Saphon is the site of conflict between Baal and his cosmic enemies, Yamm (KTU 1.1 V 5, 18) and Mot (KTU 1.6 VI 12). The same mountain, modern Jebel el-Aqra‛, Mount Hazzi in Hittite tradition, occurs in the narrative of conflict between the storm-god and Ullikumi.374 In classical tradition, the same peak, Mons Cassius, was one site of conflict between Zeus and Typhon (Apollodorus, The Library 1.6.3; Strabo, Geography 16.2.7).375 Herodotus (History 3.5) records that Typhon was buried by the Sirbonian Sea, which was adjacent to the Egyptian Mount Saphon.376 Similarly, Zion is the place where Yahweh will take up battle (Joel 3:9-17, 19-21; Zech. 14:4; 2 Esdras 13:35; cf. Isa. 66:18-21; Ezekiel 38-39). The descriptions of Yahweh’s taking his stand as warrior on top of Mount Zion (Isa. 31:4; Zech. 14:4; 2 Esdras 13:35) also echo depictions of the Hittite and Syrian storm-gods standing with each foot on a mountain.377 Saphon and Zion share a number of epithets. For example, KTU 1.3 III 13-31 (cf. IV 7-20), cited in full in the previous section, applies qdš, “holy place,” n‛m, “pleasant place,” and nḥlt, “inheritance,” to Baal’s mountain. Similarly, Psalms 46:5 and 48:2 describe Zion as *qōdeš (cf. Exod. 15:13; Pss. 87:1; 93:5; KAI 17:1, 78:5 [?]), while Psalm 27:4 calls Yahweh’s mountain nõ‛am (cf. Ps. 16:6).378 As Greenfield has observed, nō‛am in Psalm 27:4 is followed in the next verse by wordplay or paronomasia on the root *ṣpn.379 Yahweh’s mountain is called a naḥălāh, “portion” (Ps. 79:1; Jer. 12:7; cf. Exod. 15:17; Ps. 16:6). The epithets for Zion and the way they are listed together in Psalm 48:2-3 likewise recall the titles for Sapan in KTU 1.3 III 29-31.380 The mountainous temple home from which Baal utters his voice and rains lavishly upon the earth (KTU 1.4 V-VII) appears not only in descriptions of Yahweh roaring from Zion (Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2) or giving forth rains (Isa. 30:19; Jer. 3:3; 5:24; 10:13;

14:4; 51:16; Amos 4:7) but also in postexilic discussions of the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. The tradition of the temple home that guarantees the life-giving rains underlies the relationship between tithe and temple in Malachi 3:10. This passage reflects the notion that payment of the tithe to the temple would induce Yahweh to open the windows of heaven and pour down crop-producing rains. Similarly, Haggai 1:7-11 attributes drought and scarcity to the failure to rebuild the temple.381 Yahweh’s role as the divine source of rain appears elsewhere in postexilic prophecy (Zech. 10:1). Joel 4 (E 3) presents various aspects of the mountain tradition. It is the divine home (4:17 [E 3:17]), the location of Yahweh’s roar (4:16 [E 3:16]), the site of divine battle (4:9-15 [E 3:9-15]) with heavenly hosts (4:11-13 [E 3:11-13]; cf. 2:1-11), and the origin of the divine rains issuing in terrestrial fertility (4:18 [E 3:18]).

In sum, the motifs associated with Baal in Canaanite literature are widely manifest in Israelite religion. The Baal cycle (KTU 1.1-6) presents the sequence of defeating the enemy, Sea, followed by the building of the divine palace for the divine warrior, and concluding with the vanquishing of the enemy, Death. This pattern of features appears in a wide variety of biblical texts describing divine presence and action. Rabbinic aggadah and Christian literature continue these motifs. Indeed, the defeat of Sea, the building of the heavenly palace, and the destruction of death belong to the future divine transformation of the world in Revelation 21:1-4. These motifs are of further importance for the long life that some of them enjoyed; for example, the motif of Leviathan is attested in religious documents into the modern period.

Your ideas seem a bit jumbled. Who are your main sources?
 
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A clear example of parallelism is seen between the earlier laws of Hammurabi and the later Exodus, I will post Laws of Hammurabi firstly:

Laws of Hammurabi 250–252

250) If an ox gores a man while passing
through the street and kills (him),
that case has no claim.

251) If a man’s ox is a habitual gorer,
and his district has informed him
that it is a habitual gorer, but he did
not file its horns and did not control
his ox, and that ox gores a man (lit.
son of a man) and kills (him), he
shall pay one-half mina (= thirty
shekels) of silver.

252) If it is the slave of a free
person, he shall pay one-third mina
(= twenty shekels) of silver.

Exodus 21:28–32

28) If an ox gores a man or woman and
he dies, the ox shall be stoned, its flesh
shall not be eaten; the owner of the ox
is not liable.

29) If an ox is a habitual gorer, from pre-
vious experience, and its owner hasbeen warned, but he did not restrain
it, and it kills a man or woman, the ox
shall be stoned and its owner shall be
put to death.

30) If ransom is laid upon
him, he shall pay the redemption price
for his life, according to whatever is
laid upon him.
31) Or (if) it gores a son or daughter, it
shall be done for him according to this
law.

32) If the ox gores a male slave or a
female slave, he shall pay thirty
shekels of silver to his (the slave’s)
master and the ox shall be stoned.
Your version:
250) If an ox gores a man while passing through the street and kills (him), that case has no claim.

Another version:
250) If while an ox is passing on the street (market) some one push it, and kill it, the owner can set up no claim in the suit (against the hirer).
Source: Law Code of Hammurabi

There seems to a discrepancy here having just looked into it, and the translation is alarmingly substandard? From an ox goring a man to someone killing an ox are obviously different situations. Perhaps you misquoted the verse in the Code of Hammurabi?
 
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