Is hating homosexuality is a sin?

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RaymondG

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It's gained form both. We read, then experience. You're essentially saying if we want wisdom, toss the bible and go by experience and feeling as out guide..it's all we'll have then, we won't even know of God.

Bad, bad idea.

Up to you what you do, but I think I would think some of this stuff through before I posted it. Is it really biblical or does it just sound like it should be, so we throw it out there.
Do you believe that you know God? If so, are you saying that it is not possible for you to have known this God without you having read your bible? If so, then i agree. it would be a bad idea for you to put it down.

I also agree that you should think some of this stuff through before you post it.

Also, we are not going to agree on much and you cannot cause me to feel anything negative from your words..e.g. hate... So if you have conversation you feel relevant to the readers...lets continue....but if you have a goal of persuasion of thoughts or feelings...lets waste no more time on this.
 
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As it seems to me, a gay person who thought as you describe might bring some strong arguments into play, because it rarely happens - as far as I know - that a church "merely opposes homosexual sex activity along with a batch of other sexual no-nos that are not about homosexuality."
On the contrary, it is common.
 
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On the contrary, it is common.
Nominally, yes, but in practice, I have yet to see it. I'm not talking about the ostensible position of communion X - but how that position is "lived out."
 
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Nominally, yes, but in practice, I have yet to see it. I'm not talking about the ostensible position of communion X - but how that position is "lived out."
That's what I was referring to also. Repeatedly, the gays either misinterpret or deliberately misstate what the position taken by the church or pastor actually was.

I am heartened, however, to learn that your own experience has been better.
 
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That's what I was referring to also. Repeatedly, the gays either misinterpret or deliberately misstate what the position taken by the church or pastor actually was.

I am heartened, however, to learn that your own experience has been better.
Sorry, what? I think there was some miscommunication - what experience of mine has been better?
 
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You wrote:

"...because it rarely happens - as far as I know - that a church "merely opposes homosexual sex activity along with a batch of other sexual no-nos that are not about homosexuality." It much more often happens that homosexuality is held up as a "whipping boy" ....

What I read there suggests that you have some way of knowing--as a church member or as an observer in some other capacity. If so, you have encountered examples of churches that go the other way from what I said was common.

However, I believe that it is common for churches to oppose improper sexual activity and for gays to respond by claiming that the church is against them personally or that the church is opposed to having members who are homosexual.
 
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I'm a woman and despise feminism... sooooooo ..


maybe a new thread?
Noted ma'am. And what is it about the women such as myself volunteering in domestic violence shelters, and wanting to champion victims of rape, child abuse, violence, that you despise. What do you find despising of women supporting issues of child brides, sexual slavery, honour killings, and fair pay for women. I'm a feminist and that is my platform within it.

That some despise the paradigm of those who identify as a feminist is not the first time Ive heard that, especially within christian groups. Ive never understood it - I certainly dont get why the OP says it threatens family values (which you appear to agree with). If anything I feel like Im doing my very small part to help those women suffering in untenable situations. I take the christian condemnation for it on the chin...well I say i do but actually I often feel hurt that things like that are said to me. But I will continue to do it anyway.
 
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God is not cool with it.
Romans 1 speaks clear on it.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[fn] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[fn] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Jesus said no one can serve two masters. Here are some quote of Satanic Bible author Anton Levey.

"The Tv set (is the) Satanic family altar."

"Television is the major mainstream infiltration for the new satanic religion."

"It should be brought out that we not only condone, but encourage all types of what would be called sexual perversity and deviations because we feel that in a few short years it will be established that everyone is a sexual deviant and pervert.

In the Satanic Bible, "LaVey explained that he was moved to establish the Church of Satan when he saw the need for a church that would "recapture man's body and carnal desires as objects of celebration."

"The Church of Satan preaches a religious system that endeavors to overcome the repressions and inhibitions of human instinctual behavior it believes has been fostered by the Judeo-Christian tradition."
You're arguing that same sex couples are satanists? Most are likely atheists but many are Christian. Where are you getting your facts (or rather misinformation) from?
 
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That's what I was referring to also. Repeatedly, the gays either misinterpret or deliberately misstate what the position taken by the church or pastor actually was.

Is it hard to see why the LGBT community feels maligned by many religious organizations? It can be difficult to separate "congregational" churches, overseen by a single influential pastor, from "institutional" churches that answer to a hierarchy of authority. The former tend to be extreme in their messages, and as such they receive the most attention. The latter is more measured in their approach, but they have made their disapproval of the LGBT community well known.

It's not very easy to misinterpret those who say that gays should be killed, or who wish AIDS upon them, or call them abominations. It's even harder to misinterpret one's parents when they believe these hateful messages and repeat them to their children. The fact remains that the church has done very little to be welcoming to LGBT people. Just today, the Pope and the Vatican spurned an International Women's Day ceremony because it featured a Catholic lesbian speaker.
 
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You guys can create an unreal pretty world and idea of God/his word if you like, yet God hates sin and the sinner, we've shown you scripture to prove it. Think me and my house will Go with him/his word on this.

I think it's a matter of interpretation. The Bible clearly presents some 'conflicting' messages about when it is right to hate, as evidenced by the Scripture quotes that are posted throughout this thread. It's up to the individual to interpret the lines and choose their course of action. I personally find that hating something does nothing except make me less happy than I could be, so I avoid it. I gain literally nothing from hating something.

To build on that, if you associate something you hate with a group of people, you will likely come to hate those people. It's simple human nature. But my question is, why hate homosexuality when it doesn't affect you? Why does something that you never have to be a part of fill you with such disgust? I'm disgusted by the idea of eating worms, but I'll never have to do it, so why would I go out of my way to malign people who like eating worms? If you answer "because it's sin", then I would echo what other people have said and encourage you to focus on the sin within yourself as opposed to judging others.
 
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You wrote:

"...because it rarely happens - as far as I know - that a church "merely opposes homosexual sex activity along with a batch of other sexual no-nos that are not about homosexuality." It much more often happens that homosexuality is held up as a "whipping boy" ....

What I read there suggests that you have some way of knowing--as a church member or as an observer in some other capacity. If so, you have encountered examples of churches that go the other way from what I said was common.

However, I believe that it is common for churches to oppose improper sexual activity and for gays to respond by claiming that the church is against them personally or that the church is opposed to having members who are homosexual.
And I meant that I think that's a reasonable take if that church / communion covers up sexual crimes by its own clergy - or even if it doesn't take a "stand" against other forms of sexual behavior that it (nominally) is against.
 
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And I meant that I think that's a reasonable take if that church / communion covers up sexual crimes by its own clergy - or even if it doesn't take a "stand" against other forms of sexual behavior that it (nominally) is against.
Wow. Witness how far you and LordKroak have now moved from the issue we had been discussing! :doh:
 
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Wow. Witness how far you and LordKroak have now moved from the issue we had been discussing! :doh:
It seemed that you also were participating, but maybe I was mistaken.

However, to return to the ostensible topic, I think one might look into why and to what degree one hates something. If it's not at an appropriate level, considering the great variety of sins that are around, one might think that one's own motivations for this hatred and suspect - perhaps even sinful.

It was in connection with this that I asked about how homosexuality destroyed families, but as far as I know, there wasn't a response.

So I would say the original topic would best be brought up with a spiritual adviser (that is, not discussed only on a CF thread).
 
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Wow. Witness how far you and LordKroak have now moved from the issue we had been discussing! :doh:

The issue of whether it's a sin to hate homosexuality? Very well then, let's answer right now with what we can gather from all of the posts in this thread. Surprise, the answer is "Maybe!" Depends on how each person defines "hate." General opinion seems to be that hating the sin is okay, but opinions differ on where to draw the line between hating the sin or the sinner, and whether or not hating the sinner is okay. Is there one definitely correct answer to these? Probably not. General advice would be, whether you hate the sin or not, you should act as a good Christian and love people who are homosexual. I'm sure opinions also differ on what it means to love them, maybe that's worth discussing. Is this satisfactory?
 
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Is hating homosexuality is a sin? I feel very negative or a bit angry when I think about homosexual relationship. It's not that i hate the people it self ,but homosexuality it self. As well with feminism I don't felt it represents what it truly states. For me it seems like hidden agenda how to destroy families so ifeel sometimes a bit anger on what they are doing.

No its not. But don't let that hate for it turn to disgust towards those in it, very easy to cross that line. Among the LGBT community there is an agenda, but those people who are following it are the deceived ones. Make sure you show compassion and grace for those in it, even if they are bitter, because at the end of the day, they are the ones suffering and paying the consequences, and God desires for them to be save.
 
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Do you believe that you know God? If so, are you saying that it is not possible for you to have known this God without you having read your bible? If so, then i agree. it would be a bad idea for you to put it down.

I also agree that you should think some of this stuff through before you post it.

Also, we are not going to agree on much and you cannot cause me to feel anything negative from your words..e.g. hate...
So if you have conversation you feel relevant to the readers...lets continue....but if you have a goal of persuasion of thoughts or feelings...lets waste no more time on this.

So you really believe my purpose is to make you feel hate? This is a a legitimate disagreement, and I proved my end with scripture, but with you thinking this is about me trying to force "hate" out of you, this'd probably be a good place to end, as something isn't right.
 
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I think it's a matter of interpretation. The Bible clearly presents some 'conflicting' messages about when it is right to hate, as evidenced by the Scripture quotes that are posted throughout this thread. It's up to the individual to interpret the lines and choose their course of action. I personally find that hating something does nothing except make me less happy than I could be, so I avoid it. I gain literally nothing from hating something.

To build on that, if you associate something you hate with a group of people, you will likely come to hate those people. It's simple human nature. But my question is, why hate homosexuality when it doesn't affect you? Why does something that you never have to be a part of fill you with such disgust? I'm disgusted by the idea of eating worms, but I'll never have to do it, so why would I go out of my way to malign people who like eating worms? If you answer "because it's sin", then I would echo what other people have said and encourage you to focus on the sin within yourself as opposed to judging others.

If there was any misunderstanding, I do not make a habit of letting hate or anything consume me. We all have our moments but should learn to control that by changing our line of thought/not dwelling on whatever it is that can consume if we let it.
 
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"Nicolaus: "The fear of the Lord is to hate evil (Proverbs 8:13); whether it be the evil inside of you, or the evil in another: that is what you should hate."

One of the most deceptively anti-Christian maxims ever crafted is "Love the sinner, but hate the sin." Hate is seething resentment and when we project such resentment against our neighbor's sin, the resentment inevitably comes across as resenting the sinner, as well. Negative emotions can't be effectively targeted or limited in the way we might hope. That is the reason for the widespread stereotype of evangelicals as unlovingly judgmental. Also, we must be careful when we invoke biblical texts on the issue of hatred. Jesus taught that the true disciple must "hate" his family. But in Aramaic language games the word "hate" can sometimes refer to one's spiritual priorities rather than to emotional venom. Compare Jesus' positive use of "hate" in Luke 14:26 with his use of "more than" in the parallel saying in Matthew 10:37.

Nicolaus: "David hated, and David was a man after God's heart;

David was a murderer and an adulterer and, though he repented, the psalms reveal that his heart is still full of unChristian hate for his opponents. e. g.
"I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies (Psalm 139:22)." Do you really believe that people who smash the heads of innocent babies against rocks are divinely blessed? "Blessed are they who take your little ones and dash them against the rock (Psalm 137:9)." Do you actually believe that this vicious sentiment is divinely inspired Scripture? This just in--Jesus rebukes such hateful Scriptures and implies that so-called believers are not even children of God, if they hate in this way: "You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven (Matthew 5:43-45)." Are baby killers really blessed as Psalm 137:9 implies? Or should we obey Jesus' teaching about blessing: "Bless those who curse you (Luke 6:48)." Can you say "progressive revelation?"

You speak nothing but lies and no one should tolerate your venomous deceit.
 
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Among the LGBT community there is an agenda, but those people who are following it are the deceived ones. Make sure you show compassion and grace for those in it, even if they are bitter, because at the end of the day, they are the ones suffering and paying the consequences, and God desires for them to be save.

I'm very curious as to this sinister "agenda" that I keep hearing about. What exactly is it? Is it bad to have an agenda? Almost every group does, as far as I know, including Christians. The LGBT community desires acceptance and the freedom to enjoy the same rights as other people. They want to exist without fear of persecution or retaliation for simply being who they are. Ironically, LGBT people are persecuted for something that they cannot choose, whereas something like religion is a choice, and yet it is from a religious foundation that LGBT people face the most persecution.

As a gay man, I should know. I've seen plenty of radical LGBT people who are very vocal about their opinions, and that's not me, but they are seeking to change what they see as injustices being done to their community. There's no desire for any special treatment.
 
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