Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

Jon Maguire said:

Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the "law" and gave us a relationship with God born out of sonship, not ritual. So in this way every day is the Sabbath day, the day set aside for God because sonship is a daily event, even if we're not great sons. There is one thing I do practice is to have a non-working day a week - I find that recharges me so much, for everything. Faith, grace - not ritual. Hugs J

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Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the "law" and gave us a relationship with God born out of sonship, not ritual.

So in this way every day is the Sabbath day for you? Even the day you set aside for God because of your 'sonship' is a daily event? Seven times more 'ritual' 'events'!? Even if we were great sons, that's much too much ritual events, even if there is just one thing I or we do practice which is to have a non-working day a week of our own all for ourselves.

Yea, faith, grace, a non-working day a week off - not ritual - according to the Scriptures only. Thanks Jtv

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Simple. Like most errors .
"We can't", or "We just don't do it that way" , "Our tradition instead of what is written" , "If we did that, as it is written, we would lose over half our members",
and so on...

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What do SDAs actually do that you are talking about. Can't what? What don't they do that way? Our tradition? You are being too vague. I'd like to know seeing as it has been decades since I was one.

Joelthe vicious said:

Why do most Christians not follow the 10 commandments?

Answer:
Is there one Christian who follows one of the commandments?

Answer:
There is none righteous, no, not one!

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There are many people that are described as being righteous in the Bible, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9) or Zechariah and his wife (Luke 1:6), so it is completely false that there is no one who is righteous. Rather, in Romans 3:10, it Paul was quoting from Psalms 14:1-3 and Psalms 53:1-3, where no one is righteous among the group of people who say that there is no God.

Soyeong said:

There are many people that are described as being righteous in the Bible, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9) or Zechariah and his wife (Luke 1:6), so it is completely false that there is no one who is righteous. Rather, in Romans 3:10, it Paul was quoting from Psalms 14:1-3 and Psalms 53:1-3, where no one is righteous among the group of people who say that there is no God.

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Good point!

Joelthe vicious said:

Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the "law" and gave us a relationship with God born out of sonship, not ritual.

So in this way every day is the Sabbath day for you? Even the day you set aside for God because of your 'sonship' is a daily event? Seven times more 'ritual' 'events'!? Even if we were great sons, that's much too much ritual events, even if there is just one thing I or we do practice which is to have a non-working day a week of our own.

Yea, faith, grace, a non-working day a week off - not ritual - according to the Scriptures only. Thanks Jtv

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There is nothing that Jesus said in Matthew 5 that indicated that he was speaking about his death and nothing that he said about his death to indicate that he was fulfilling the Law through it, so there is no good reason to associate the two. Rather "to fulfill the Law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the Law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law in Matthew 5, this is precisely what he then proceeded to do six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly understand and obey it. In Galatians 5:14, loving your neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to obeying the Law as it should be obeyed, and refers to something countless people have done, not to something unique to Christ. Likewise, Galatians 6:2 says that bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, which refers to obeying it as it should be obeyed, not to doing away with it. In Romans 15:18-19, it says that Paul fulfilled the Gospel, which again referred to causing Gentiles to become fully obedient to it in word and in deed, not to doing away with it.

Soyeong said:

There are many people that are described as being righteous in the Bible, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9) or Zechariah and his wife (Luke 1:6), so it is completely false that there is no one who is righteous. Rather, in Romans 3:10, it Paul was quoting from Psalms 14:1-3 and Psalms 53:1-3, where no one is righteous among the group of people who say that there is no God.

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Are you now pleading that you are righteous?

I am no one to say you are not righteous. But one thing I know for sure, as for you, so was it for Noah or any righteous ever, That they had no righteousness of their own, or, of works. And, because there has never ever been a righteous person except he or she has been a Bible person, he or she was "reckoned righteous", not for own virtue, but for and by Jesus Christ's righteousness. In Old and in New Testaments this is the only "righteousness of God" : "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS"-- the LORD, our Lord, Jesus Christ!
LOST are any who are righteous by their own righteousness... lost, and, in their sins forever.

Soyeong said:

There is nothing that Jesus said in Matthew 5 that indicated that he was speaking about his death and nothing that he said about his death to indicate that he was fulfilling the Law through it, so there is no good reason to associate the two.

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Hah! You forgot that you wrote those lines...?

My apologies; it was Jon Maguire who said: ↑ #8

Soyeong said:

There is nothing that Jesus said in Matthew 5 that indicated that he was speaking about his death and nothing that he said about his death to indicate that he was fulfilling the Law through it, so there is no good reason to associate the two. Rather "to fulfill the Law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the Law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law in Matthew 5, this is precisely what he then proceeded to do six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly understand and obey it. In Galatians 5:14, loving your neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to obeying the Law as it should be obeyed, and refers to something countless people have done, not to something unique to Christ. Likewise, Galatians 6:2 says that bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, which refers to obeying it as it should be obeyed, not to doing away with it. In Romans 15:18-19, it says that Paul fulfilled the Gospel, which again referred to causing Gentiles to become fully obedient to it in word and in deed, not to doing away with it.

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And all this rhetoric I bet my boots to get to the Fourth Commandment...

Joelthe vicious said:

Are you now pleading that you are righteous?

I am no one to say you are not righteous. But one thing I know for sure, as for you, so was it for Noah or any righteous ever, That they had no righteousness of their own, or, of works. And, because there has never ever been a righteous person except he or she has been a Bible person, he or she was "reckoned righteous", not for own virtue, but for and by Jesus Christ's righteousness. In Old and in New Testaments this is the only "righteousness of God" : "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS"-- the LORD, our Lord, Jesus Christ!
LOST are any who are righteous by their own righteousness... lost, and, in their sins forever.

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We have been declared righteous by grace through faith. Do you deny this? In Genesis 6:8-9, it says that Noah found grace in the eyes of God and that he was a righteous man, and in Hebrews 11:7 he was listed as an example of faith, so was a righteous man because he was trained how to rightly live by grace and he obeyed through faith. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law, so obedience to God's instructions has always been about living by faith, not about trying to establish our own righteousness.

Joelthe vicious said:

Hah! You forgot that you wrote those lines...?

My apologies; it was Jon Maguire who said: ↑ #8

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I'm not sure what point you're making.

Joelthe vicious said:

And all this rhetoric I bet my boots to get to the Fourth Commandment...

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I was not getting any specific command. None of God's eternal righteous laws have been done away with.

The New Testament believer is under grace, not law. This is a strong message in Galatians. Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed; Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

Soyeong said:

There is nothing that Jesus said in Matthew 5 that indicated that he was speaking about his death and nothing that he said about his death to indicate that he was fulfilling the Law through it, so there is no good reason to associate the two.

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Anything Jesus anywhere ever spoke, indicated that He was speaking about his Suffering, Death and Resurrection, and that He was fulfilling the Law through it. "To magnify Thy Law, o God, I came!" So there is every good reason to associate Matthew 5 in particular with Jesus' fulfilment of "the Law and Prophets, HOW IT BEHOVED THE CHRIST TO SUFFER ... AND THE THIRD RISE!"

Joelthe vicious said:

Anything Jesus anywhere ever spoke, indicated that He was speaking about his Suffering, Death and Resurrection, and that He was fulfilling the Law through it. "To magnify Thy Law, o God, I came!" So there is every good reason to associate Matthew 5 in particular with Jesus' fulfilment of "the Law and Prophets, HOW IT BEHOVED THE CHRIST TO SUFFER ... AND THE THIRD RISE!"

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Again, the Greek Lexicon lists one definition that is specifically in regard the Law, which fits with what Jesus immediately proceeded to do after he said he came to fulfill the Law, which is consistent with how the phrase is used elsewhere in the Bible, and which fits how it is used in other Jewish writings. Anyone can fulfill the entire Law by loving their neighbor, so it does not refer to something unique that Christ did to do away with God's righteous standard. You should not interpret "fulfilling the Law" in a different way that you interpret "fulfilling the Law of Christ".

faroukfarouk said:

The New Testament believer is under grace, not law. This is a strong message in Galatians. Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed; Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

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I see it as the law was changed from "don't" to "do."

In other words,

DO believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
DO love your neighbor as yourself.

Soyeong said:

Anyone can fulfill the entire Law by loving their neighbor, so it does not refer to something unique that Christ did to do away with God's righteous standard. You should not interpret "fulfilling the Law" in a different way that you interpret "fulfilling the Law of Christ".

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I'm not arguing if 'Anyone can fulfill the entire Law by loving their neighbor'. I, a priori, reject the very notion, the very suggestion, the very presumption. In my opinion it is the haughtiest arrogation of depraved human nature to even think he can fulfil the Law of Christ while he could not have hoped to fulfil the Law of Moses.

So the full Gospel of Jesus Christ rests upon the certainty of something unique that Jesus Christ did and was able to do, and, fulfilled, God's Righteous Standard, God's absolute WILL in through and as Jesus Christ The Word/LAW of God. One must not interpret any man "fulfilling the Law" in a different way than "fulfilling the Law of Christ" IN CHRIST BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST and not of man, of any mortal, sinner man. Christ is the Way, the Light and the Life; there is 'no other way'.

"If there were a law that man could fulfil, surely he shall have lived through fulfilling those things." Romans !0:5 Galatians 3:12 In other words, he shall have lived through SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.

"The JUST, shall live by faith", not live by faith and shall be justified.

faroukfarouk said:

The New Testament believer is under grace, not law. This is a strong message in Galatians. Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed; Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

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If we no longer are under the Law, why had the Law to be changed?

Joelthe vicious said:

If we no longer are under the Law, why had the Law to be changed?

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Why not read the chapter?

faroukfarouk said:

The New Testament believer is under grace, not law. This is a strong message in Galatians. Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed; Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

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The New Testament believer is under both grace and the Law, Romans 7:1,2; 6:14, and for his "professed subjection unto the Gospel", he "prays for the exceeding grace of God in him, and thank God for his unspeakable Gift", God's Son Christ Jesus the personification, representation and "ALL in all fulfilling Fullness of God..." in everything except the Law of God!? 2Corinthians 9:13-15 Ephesians 1:23b.

Joelthe vicious said:

The New Testament believer is both under grace and the Law, Romans 7:1,2; 6:14, and for his "professed subjection unto the Gospel", he "prays for the exceeding grace of God in him, and thank God for his unspeakable Gift", God's Son Christ Jesus the personification, representation and "ALL in all fulfilling Fullness of God..." in everything except the Law of God!? 2Corinthians 9:13-15 Ephesians 1:23b.

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I don't think you are using terms as many Bible believers would commonly understand them. Hebrews 7.19 clearly states that what the believer now has is better than the law; indeed, 'better' is a leitmotif of Hebrews; and clearly the thrust of Galatians is that the New Testament believer is under grace, not the law.

The law stands as given if not then there is no sin.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

WE are not under the condemnation of the law due to the grace of GOD

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Said,
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

it is completely false that there is no one who is righteous.

It is completely true that no one is perfectly righteous and holy as God on his own.

Romans 3
9b for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
>>“There is none (PERFECTLY) righteous, not even one;<<
>>23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,<<

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the (Mosaic) Law,
so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight;
for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Justification by Faith

21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
>>23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,<<
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.
This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time,
so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Isaiah 64:6 (NASB)
For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
And all of us wither like a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.