Concerning predestination.

What is it that God has predestined?

Only the old and the new creation.

The old creation He has predestined to hell. The new He has predestined to heaven.

Those who are in possession of the new creation at the time of their deaths are going to heaven for God choose the new creation for life.

Those that are only in possession of the old creation at the time of their deaths are going to hell for God predestined the old creation for hell and destruction.

This is why Jesus says “you must be born again”

For nothing matters but the new creation.

Much love and peace in Christ Jesus. Not me.

John 11 35 said:

Clearly blasphemy , if Old Creation was predestinated to hell then Job lied to us and many other prophets who were filled with HS ...
Job 19:26

You are predestinated for good works after you accept Christ not to go to hell/heaven .

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Job was saved for he looked forward to the salvation that was to come. (As did all the prophets) As we look back to the salvation that has come.

It’s only the old and new creation that have been predestined. Not any individual.

Much love. Not me.

John 11 35 said:

If Jews were predestinated then why Jesus told them they gonna die in thier sins ?

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Never said the Jews were predestined for heaven. Only said “all” that are in possession of the new creation are. Those that aren’t, aren’t.

In Christ, Not me

As it is stated. Remembering not all Israel is Israel. Only those that have the “faith of Abraham.” Those are the “saved” of God.

In Christ, Not me.

Dave-W said:

Not according to the congregation I grew up in.
They believed David, Job, Moses, Isaiah and the rest are ALL burning in hell since they did not know the Name Jesus (and there is salvation in no other name)

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Sorry but I think scripture teaches differently.

Much love. Not me

St_Worm2 said:

Well, St. Paul tells us this concerning who was predestined, when and why:

Ephesians 1
1 PAUL, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.​

--David

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And “why” we’re they predestined?

For they were in possession of the new creation.

In Christ, Not me.

Dave-W said:

So do I. NOW.

There are a LOT of things I disagree with in the teachings of that congregation. But it took years (in some cases decades) for me to see the truth.

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Continue to feed your personal relationship with Christ. It is this life bought to life in us that is our savalution. This relationship/life will bring you into all truth. Just keep on asking and you will be filled.

Much love and prayers, in Christ. Not me.

St_Worm2 said:

The saints were predestined to adoption (according to the kind intention of God's will) from before the foundation of the world. How could anyone be "in possession of the new creation" (or anything else for that matter) before they existed

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It says “the saints were predestined” they were saints because they were in possession of that which was predestined from the foundation of the world. (the salvation that was prepared,i.e. the new creation)

In Christ, Not me.