Sola Scriptura believers, please explain this.

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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.

About papacy you are funny , when Christ said build on rock he was the rock and it is confirmed later on in Corinthians by Paul as well as in Old Testament , about Mary he clearly told her when he was dying on cross that he is no longer her son but her saviour and appointed his disciple to be son for Mary to replace him and his duty .

Yes we do not have every spoken word by Jesus because it would be impossible for witnesses to remember all of them but we have what God wanted us to have .
 
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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.
Though it does speak about tempting others to sin (Romans 14), judging another according to your own conscience and not God's (1 Corinthians 10:29), calling someone Father who is not the Father in heaven (Matthew 23:9), and not to worship the "queen of heaven" (like in Jeremiah 7:18), Mary's sinfulness as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) , pray to those who have died (1 Samuel 28).
So as far as controversial??? Not so much. The things you speak of ARE WRITTEN DOWN. Choosing not to believe it, read it, or act upon it, is between you and God.
You may want to start having a one on one with God instead of everyone else.
And I speak that out of love, not contempt.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Never do we find a godly person in Scripture praying to anyone but God or asking for intercession by anyone but those still living on this earth. Prayer to Mary or to saints is not found in the Bible. Rather, Scripture directs us to pray to God (Luke 11:1-2; Matthew 6:6-9; Philippians 4:6; Acts 8:22; Luke 10:2, etc.)!
God entreats us to come boldly unto the throne of grace (His throne) that we may find grace and help in time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16).
God promised us that the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us according to the will of God with groanings that cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26).
Why do we need to go through a saint, angel or Mary, especially considering the fact that neither the example of doing so nor the command of doing so is ever given in Scripture? Concerning prayer, we have the repeated example of two things in Scripture:

a) Prayer is made to God alone (2 Corinthians 13:7; Romans 10:1; 15:30; Acts 12:5; Acts 10:2; Acts 8:24; Acts 1:24; Zechariah 8:21-22; Jonah 2:7; 4:2, etc.)

b) Requests for prayer are made only to the living (1 Thessalonians 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 3:1; Hebrews 13:18, etc.)
 
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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.
I'm not a sola scriptura believer, but I think the reason that idea got started is because some Christians wanted to move the spiritual authority from being vested in the apostolic succession of the Anglican and Catholic priesthood to coming primarily from the Bible instead. I think that Bible + tradition + reason + experience is fine, but some only will take what they feel is Biblical. Wesleyan Quadrilateral - Wikipedia
 
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Seems to me the main problem with SS is not these passages that say that was unrecorded material, but the simple question of "on whose authority do you accept that these writings are anything at all?"

This is an interesting question - I think the answer is bound up with the purpose of Scripture. If God has chosen to reveal himself, and inspire Scripture, then he also intends for us to know what this is, right? So what do we include?

The best analogy I have heard runs like this:

Our mistake is assuming there is one canon list. There are actually 2, one is the actual canon (canon 1), the other is the canon we know (canon 2). Canon 1 exists because God has inspired certain writings, not all writings. God knows what it contains because he inspired it. It's absolute, and would only change if God inspired something new. It is authoritative because it is inspired by God, not because a Church declares it to be so - in other words, the Church recognises Scripture, it does not define it.

Canon 2 is our knowledge of Canon 1. This is what the Church has recognised as Scripture. Because God has a purpose to his inspiration of Scripture, we can be confident that he would guide us to recognise it. This is why protestants reject the apocrypha (which was the case with Catholicism too, until Trent canonised it). Some of these books even expressly deny inspiration.

James White has a book, "Scripture Alone" which I think is one of the best treatments of this issue.
 
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Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30

Might I add purposely not written. The important ones were written though.....

31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Those not written to those written is done calculatingly and purposeful. Why?

The Christian faith is based on intrinsically believing and it comes to reason, a saturated data base could have been written, but that would be detrimental to one believing and would support the verbage, along the lines of....

More is less within the context of belief.

So what is it to believe?

It is wanting to believe. The Holy Spirit takes care of that......

11For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.12Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.13You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

The above verse not only applied to ancient Israel, but applies to every individual who wants to belief. Scripture was never meant to be a comprehensive do it yourself guide, or wing it yourself salvation, rather each individual must be in Jesus and Jesus in him, for things to be revealed slowly through a life long sanctification process.

It would be like a date, where you don't know much about the person you are dating, but as time goes by, you establish your faith and trust in that individual. Before you met that person, you would need the essentials before a relationship can grow. Scripture is the biography of our Lord and getting to know him requires you to internalize his biography. You cannot add to it because it is not your own and you certainly cannot say that it is insufficient, otherwise you unwittingly testify that, you can not place complete trust on the written Word and by doing so the wanting to believe slowly dissipates into the fog of headspace and hence the relationship is ruined before it started.

If you come out and say you know the Lord fully and have no need for Sola Scripture, then that is a different matter for you personally, but to say this for others, borders on neglect and insubordination to the authority and purpose of scripture to the masses that are not you. Do you understand the dangers of dismissing Sola Scripture for the masses.

Sola Scripture should then be considered as a contract from heaven for individuals to consider or a disclosure statement about our Lord and since it is a blood contract and a biography, then every individual has to be privy to it, right? No individual can replace it, because all the masses are entitled to read it and to make a personal choice.
 
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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

Jesus taught a number of things that didn't make it into the New Testament. Apparently shortly after the resurrection Jesus did an exposition from Moses through the prophets. I don't know how far they walked but I've often wondered what he talked about. Obviously he didn't take it verse by verse, most like he was focused on Messianic prophecy and the Crucifixion. No need for an exhaustive discussion, once you've covered the principles the particulars tend to take care of themselves.

During the Millennial the church will have a teaching ministry, to include Levites in Jerusalem. For a thousand years they teach the Word of God and still the world surrounds the city, intent on destroying it.

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Ok that's all I need to see, your making this dramatic, giant leap in logic here. Since we don't have all knowledge then Solo Scriptura must be untrue. The doctrine addresses the issue of authority to speak to matters of faith and doctrine. The presupposition that we must have all the teachings of Christ in order for have the gospel is patently false.

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4)
Respond to that much and the rest will come in the fullness of time.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.

While I certainly would never dispute with you that the Bible Alone does not contain the entire revelation of God, that does not, in itself, vouch for the divine provenance of Christian traditions that are very ancient and don't come from the Bible. That something is ancient but not in the Bible does not mean that the Church has faithfully preserved it as an oral tradition from Jesus and the Apostles. The Church could have also made it up.

Also, that some people insist that something is not in the Bible because they don't see it (or refuse to), doesn't mean that it isn't. Example: Purgatory is clearly, explicitly and repeatedly in the Bible EVEN THOUGH Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic theologians and traditions say that it is not.

Finally, just because God said to do something is in the Bible does not mean that it is a good model for mankind. God commanded the Israelites to enter the Promised Land and carry out a complete genocide of every man, woman, child and domesticated animal - an utter extermination of the people living there. This path is, of course, an utter crime against humanity. The Almighty had his reasons, to be sure, but there is nothing about the Canaanite genocide described in the book of Joshua that is a good example for any human being since that time, in any tribe, including the latter day Jews.

Simply read and applied directly, without the filter of human reason, human experience and human kindness, and the Bible - particularly the parts around Joshua - is a blueprint for Hitlerian-scale evil with a specificity in it that exceeds that of the bad parts of the Koran.

So yes, you are correct, the Bible Alone is not the proper basis for anything. But the Church does not provide a watertight foundation for everything the Church thought up either. All that wasn't inspired by God. That the Church had the right to burn people alive for heresy led to the infamous crime of the Church, through a properly constituted ecclesial tribunal under the auspices of the local bishop, torturing and then burning to death a saint of God, the messenger St. Joan of Arc, in Rouen marketplace.

Unfortunately, Christians have made claims of power FROM the book, and NOT from the book, that have authorized them to torture saints, conquer countries, and execute dissidents - all justified by Bible and Tradition, and yet evil to the core.

Essentially, as a man, you have to have the presence of mind, the common sense of the world, and perhaps the connection to the mind of God, to know that the Book and the Tradition and the Pope and the Faith itself must all be overruled and disregarded, set to the side, if the logic of the Book, the Tradition, the Pope and the Faith itself lead you to kill somebody else to silence that other person, or to pay for some crime against the Church.

The Churches - Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox - have all teased that authority out of Bible and Tradition and Faith - and in doing so have left behind reason and left us direct examples that the Bible is not enough, nor is the Church and its Traditions and Authority, nor are men relying on their own interpretations.

In the end, if you're killing people over Christianity, you're evil no matter what Bible, Church and your own conscience tell you.
 
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Frankly why did the NT authors have to? Again Irenaeus explains it nicely.

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, III.1 (St. Irenaeus)
Which line of that do you think supports a sola scriptura view?

Separately, I must say I find it kind of ironic that someone is going outside scripture to prove sola scriptura. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate your argument, obviously. Just saying I find it a little funny is all...
 
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Again, if sola scriptura was to be understood as the norm, I would think sacred scripture would say so in clear, unambiguous terms that aren't contradicted by other passages (some written by the same human writer!). But I haven't seen anything along those lines.
It has been awhile now, but once when someone posted essentially the same thing you are saying here, I took on the challenge and found--and posted--19 different Bible verses that say what you said doesnt exist. Yes, there is plenty in Scripture that describes Scripture as the ultimate authority.
 
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Separately, I must say I find it kind of ironic that someone is going outside scripture to prove sola scriptura. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate your argument, obviously. Just saying I find it a little funny is all...
I think the point there is that even if we go by the authority you prefer instead of Sola Scriptura, we find Sola Scriptura being supported by it!
 
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Which line of that do you think supports a sola scriptura view?

Separately, I must say I find it kind of ironic that someone is going outside scripture to prove sola scriptura. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate your argument, obviously. Just saying I find it a little funny is all...
I had not seen sola scriptura arguments until I started reading in Christian Forums. I have never heard it preached in church. I visited numerous denominational services including attending Mass at while visiting a relative. I have heard sermons relying heavily on scriptures and other preachers using modern day experiences to create their own parables or proverbs.

I do not believe the Medieval Catholic Church had authority from heaven to sell indulgences to get dead relatives out of purgatory. I think the clergy of those days were corrupt. The reformation was founded by dissatisfied Catholics. We do not find scriptures indicating Jesus preached selling indulgences to get dead relatives out of purgatory. People may do good or evil without having to quote scriptures.

Some people are claiming the scriptures are inerrant; even when verses contradict each other. It is part of the Protestant Fundamentalist movement. There is also a Catholic Fundamentalist movement. I read online that Vatican II took a stance that there are no errors in the scriptures: "the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation." I am certain not all translations are in agreement with each other as to the best way to translate scriptures, or what books may be included as scriptures. There is a New Covenant/New Testament, that came after the Old Testament. The Books of Moses served a purpose in their day, but when the Gospel was revealed and after Paul carried these teachings to Gentiles and Jews, some people wanted to give the Gospel of Christ precedence over the Books of Moses.
 
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I see your point now, with John 20:31, as to the important things. Belief in Christ, and the salvation thereof, is the definition of a Christian, the foundation of Christianity.
Still, other teachings were not recorded in the pages of the Bible, and thus must be retained in the traditions of the Church;...
I see no reason to reach that conclusion. The Bible says that it is not necessary to have that extra information (because it simply teaches the same point as that which IS recorded in the Bible)but you think we must retain it--meaning actually recapture it--in a second place. This makes no sense. If we dont need it because we already have that information, why would we need some reproduction, too, and despite a Bible verse which says outright that we do not?
 
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"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.
You are right, clearly not everything Jesus taught was recorded.

However, we could sit here all day and assume what the other things were that He did teach... none of which speculations would hold any water.

If you are going to use the fact that not everything taught was recorded in order to prove purgatory, Mary's perpetual virginity or sinlessness..... or any other concept that is not backed by biblical scriptures.....

Then... I think you are grasping at straws in order to prove something that you wish to be true.

Just because we hope, wish, dream or want something to be true..... does not make it true.

The Bible contains what we need to know about the history of the world, the Jewish people, the life and accomplishments of Christ and all the details that God wants us to know about what is to come.

If you want to, also, use this concept in order to question what scripture is considered canon and which is not.... go ahead. But you might as well just believe whatever you want to believe in order for you to feel all warm and fuzzy about what you wish was true....

I mean if the scripture that is accepted as the canonized Bible, by the majority of Christian organizations, is not giving us the truth and is not rock solid words of God... Then it's anyone's guess as to what is actually true.

You will continue, anyway, to hold fast to these unbiblical concepts either way.

It's like asking a friend if some fly by night risky idea that you heard about would be a safe gamble with your financial investing.... when they say no... you just keep asking more and more friends and acquaintances and finally any stranger on the street until you get the answer you want... then ... you invest in the sketchy scam... and lose your shirt.
 
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It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects

What you have basically said is it IS NOT RECORDED, then gone on to say it is likely to be something that you want it to be. I completely disagree with you.

I believe the Bible records all that is necessary to know God. If these things you have stated were not recorded but Jesus has taught them it would be a significant absence and make the teachings of the Bible insufficient and therefore untrustworthy as you would need more than the recorded word of God to be able to understand fully.
 
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Which line of that do you think supports a sola scriptura view?
My intent was to show how the early fathers regarded the Sacred Scriptures. When they contended with heretics, they appealed to the Scriptures. They also did so for internal debates and disputes.
Separately, I must say I find it kind of ironic that someone is going outside scripture to prove sola scriptura. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate your argument, obviously. Just saying I find it a little funny is all...
Frankly not funny to me. The regard these early theologians and bishops had for Sacred Scriptures should be shown and not hidden.
 
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Is it really "very likely" that he taught on these subjects? On what do you base this probability? Couldn't I just as easily assert that it is "very likely" that Jesus spoke about extra terrestrial life, the zodiac, and the virtues of acupuncture?
Or we could surmise as well that He taught the 5 Solas.
 
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Scripture doesn't tell us everything there is to know about God and salvation; it tells us everything we need to know. The obvious fact that not everything Jesus said or did was recorded in scripture isn't license to fabricate a whole bunch of things and scare people with the threat of eternal damnation for not believing in them. If we start making up theology based on "Well, the Bible doesn't say it DIN'T happen" then LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, and every pseudo-christian cult could well be correct.
 
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but I think the reason that idea got started is because some Christians wanted to move the spiritual authority from being vested in the apostolic succession of the Anglican and Catholic priesthood to coming primarily from the Bible instead.
Considering there is no separate class of believers called 'priests' in the NT, that might be cause for some of this.
 
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When I read the parables in the past I could not bel
"With many such parables He [Jesus] spoke the Word to them." --Mark 4:33

Looks like not all the parables are recorded.

"He began to teach them many things." --Mark 6:34

We're not told what these "many things" are.

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." --John 16:12

Once again, we're never told what these things are. Perhaps these "many things " were the teachings alluded to in the opening of Acts, but even then, very limited information is given.

"Now, Jesus did many other things in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book." --John 20:30
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were they all to be written down, I suppose the world itself could not contain all the books that would be written." --John 21:25

These verses seem to really kill the notion of seeing the Bible alone as sufficient for understanding all of God's teachings.

Many times over, in every Gospel, Jesus is mentioned as teaching, preaching, or otherwise explaining the Word to all who were listening, without the Bible saying what, exactly, Jesus was teaching. Far more times, Jesus is healing, staying in Jerico, in the synagogues, or doing something else where He could very likely be teaching, but as usual, what He taught isn't recorded.
Even where He is teaching, nowhere does it say that the words that were written down were the only things He taught! It's very logical that He taught more than is recorded, for if a crowd of people has traveled to hear Him speak, they will obviously want to hear more than a couple parables; who travels to a concert, hears 1 good song, and the concert ends?

Clearly, not everything that Jesus taught is recorded in the pages of the Bible. It's very likely that He taught about such issues as purgatory, Mary's sinlessness, the papicy, and other controversial subjects; after all, if not all of His teachings are in the Bible, then saying "Nowhere in the Bible does it say that" doesn't hold as much weight as Sola Scriptura beievers would like to believe.

I didn't make this thread with the intention of debating individual issues, such as purgatory & Mary's sinlessness; rather, I would just like explanations as to how Sola Scriptura is logical, when Scripture itself admits that not all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible.
 
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