Is the Man of Sin revealed is backsliders?

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As a backslider, someone who knows what it means to taste the heavenly gifts and fall away, I am beginning the suspect the possibility that that christian eschatology is as wrong concerning the "antichrist" as pre-christian eschatology was concerning the future "King of Israel", at least as it pertains to a literal understanding of prophecy. That perhaps the battle isn't between a literal antichrist, but a spiritual battle that takes place within the hearts and lives of the elect. Perhaps revelation is allegory for the apostasy of the saints - the falling away. And maybe this is because God wills it?

"And it was given unto him (the Man of Sin) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" - Revelation 13:7

So could it be that the man of sin is metaphorical - referring to apostasy - saying that true salvation, true deliverance - final salvation, cannot come about until the man of sin be revealed in us?

After all, Pauls said "Hand this man over so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord..." - 1 Corinthians 5

Of all the disciples of Jesus, it was Judas alone who had his hand in the cup with Jesus - Judas alone, the backslider, who did the perfect will of God. Perhaps Judas, whose suicide preempted the death of Christ, was saved after all? - 1 Peter 3:19

Is this heresy? The idea that the Man of Sin is revealed in backsliders? Possibly. But it's still something I find intriguing. I may not be correct, but I'm probably not all the way wrong on this. I see way too many things in end-times scripture that make me question whether or not the the struggle of the saints with some "antichrist" or "man of sin" is simply allegory for personal struggle, complete apostasy, and ultimately redemption.

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

It's the old man that is doomed to destruction - not the new man.

You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires...to be made new in the attitude of your minds and to put on the new self ..created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness - Ephesians 4:22-24
 
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As a backslider, someone who knows what it means to taste the heavenly gifts and fall away, I am beginning the suspect the possibility that that christian eschatology is as wrong concerning the "antichrist" as pre-christian eschatology was concerning the future "King of Israel", at least as it pertains to a literal understanding of prophecy. That perhaps the battle isn't between a literal antichrist, but a spiritual battle that takes place within the hearts and lives of the elect. Perhaps revelation is allegory for the apostasy of the saints - the falling away. And maybe this is because God wills it?

"And it was given unto him (the Man of Sin) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" - Revelation 13:7

So could it be that the man of sin is metaphorical - referring to apostasy - saying that true salvation, true deliverance - final salvation, cannot come about until the man of sin be revealed in us?

After all, Pauls said "Hand this man over so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord..." - 1 Corinthians 5

Of all the disciples of Jesus, it was Judas alone who had his hand in the cup with Jesus - Judas alone, the backslider, who did the perfect will of God. Perhaps Judas, whose suicide preempted the death of Christ, was saved after all? - 1 Peter 3:19

Is this heresy? The idea that the Man of Sin is revealed in backsliders? Possibly. But it's still something I find intriguing. I may not be correct, but I'm probably not all the way wrong on this. I see way too many things in end-times scripture that make me question whether or not the the struggle of the saints with some "antichrist" or "man of sin" is simply allegory for personal struggle, complete apostasy, and ultimately redemption.

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

It's the old man that is doomed to destruction - not the new man.

You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires...to be made new in the attitude of your minds and to put on the new self ..created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness - Ephesians 4:22-24


The Bible says:

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Very clear that the man of sin is also called the son of perdition and is worshipped and sitteth in the temple of GOD

So I think you need to stick to what the scripture says and not you private interpretation.
 
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THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T MY INTERPRETATION. It's just an idea.

I've created a lot of threads like this before. It's just ideas that I've come across from various places, whether my own or some one elses. I find end-times scripture fascinating to talk about.

The idea that end-times will never happen an is allegory for some spiritual battle in the lives of the saints is as old as Christianity. Nothing I posted is new at all.
 
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As a backslider, someone who knows what it means to taste the heavenly gifts and fall away, I am beginning the suspect the possibility that that christian eschatology is as wrong concerning the "antichrist" as pre-christian eschatology was concerning the future "King of Israel", at least as it pertains to a literal understanding of prophecy. That perhaps the battle isn't between a literal antichrist, but a spiritual battle that takes place within the hearts and lives of the elect. Perhaps revelation is allegory for the apostasy of the saints - the falling away. And maybe this is because God wills it?

"And it was given unto him (the Man of Sin) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" - Revelation 13:7

So could it be that the man of sin is metaphorical - referring to apostasy - saying that true salvation, true deliverance - final salvation, cannot come about until the man of sin be revealed in us?

After all, Pauls said "Hand this man over so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord..." - 1 Corinthians 5

Of all the disciples of Jesus, it was Judas alone who had his hand in the cup with Jesus - Judas alone, the backslider, who did the perfect will of God. Perhaps Judas, whose suicide preempted the death of Christ, was saved after all? - 1 Peter 3:19

Is this heresy? The idea that the Man of Sin is revealed in backsliders? Possibly. But it's still something I find intriguing. I may not be correct, but I'm probably not all the way wrong on this. I see way too many things in end-times scripture that make me question whether or not the the struggle of the saints with some "antichrist" or "man of sin" is simply allegory for personal struggle, complete apostasy, and ultimately redemption.

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

It's the old man that is doomed to destruction - not the new man.

You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires...to be made new in the attitude of your minds and to put on the new self ..created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness - Ephesians 4:22-24

Yes, I think you're onto something, Sam81. ;)
 
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THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T MY INTERPRETATION. It's just an idea.

I've created a lot of threads like this before. It's just ideas that I've come across from various places, whether my own or some one elses. I find end-times scripture fascinating to talk about.

The idea that end-times will never happen an is allegory for some spiritual battle in the lives of the saints is as old as Christianity. Nothing I posted is new at all.


Then you posts are not uplifting Jesus Christ as they are not the truth.

It might be better to stick with "thus sayeth the Lord" rather than wild ideas that others have come up with. What you posted and the one other reply you have gotten so far may be leading others further away from the truth.
 
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As a backslider, someone who knows what it means to taste the heavenly gifts and fall away, I am beginning the suspect the possibility that that christian eschatology is as wrong concerning the "antichrist" as pre-christian eschatology was concerning the future "King of Israel", at least as it pertains to a literal understanding of prophecy. That perhaps the battle isn't between a literal antichrist, but a spiritual battle that takes place within the hearts and lives of the elect. Perhaps revelation is allegory for the apostasy of the saints - the falling away. And maybe this is because God wills it?

"And it was given unto him (the Man of Sin) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" - Revelation 13:7
The Saints here are the Jews in Israel, who have repented. The Church is Raptured by this time.

So could it be that the man of sin is metaphorical - referring to apostasy - saying that true salvation, true deliverance - final salvation, cannot come about until the man of sin be revealed in us?
Thessalonians is not about an apostasy, its about the Rapture of the Church. The first 7 English Translations said DEPARTED, not FALLING AWAY.

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Its not a REBELLION, its the Departure of he Church, research it.

And yes, the Man of Sin is real, and I think he is alive today.
 
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