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Well, my point was that it obviously would be observed in Israel throughout the millennium, with the only question being would it be required of everyone else in perpetuity or only temporally. But I'm starting to see how your theology hinges on what you regard as the fulfillment of the feasts, and I'd be interested to see a write up of your list whenever you have the time. :oldthumbsup: I'm also interested to know why you regard the millennium as a fulfillment of Tabernacles.
Why would it be observed by Israel throughout the millennium? If Tabernacles is not required by believers now, why would it be required by anyone, including Israel, in the Kingdom of YHWH ruled by Yeshua?

Yes, but I regard fulfilling what the outward ceremony of baptism actually represents (death to the fleshly man) to be of greater importance than observing the mere outer ceremony, which is at the very heart of my theology on all things ceremonial. I believe the ceremony will do no good for the man who fails to do what it was meant to represent, whereas the man who does is the one who is truly justified in the eyes of God, whether he observes the ceremony or not.
Death to the fleshly man AND the resurrection of the new man.

The Feasts also have an "outer ceremony", but the believer who understands what the Feasts truly represent and keeps them out of love for YHWH is truly justified as well, "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified" (Romans 2:13).
 
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But I'm starting to see how your theology hinges on what you regard as the fulfillment of the feasts, and I'd be interested to see a write up of your list whenever you have the time. :oldthumbsup: I'm also interested to know why you regard the millennium as a fulfillment of Tabernacles.
Keep in mind that my view may differ from other Feast keepers. It is sometimes difficult to perceive the reality that casts the shadow.

Passover Redemption / Protection

Exodus 12:3,6,7,12,13 – “Speak you unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: . . .And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it . . . For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am Yahweh. And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where you are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.”​

It was through the shed blood of a lamb being applied to their doorposts that the Israelites received Yahweh’s divine protection from the final plague to befall Egypt. It was through this same sacrifice that Israel was redeemed from Egyptian bondage.

The New Testament writings of Paul to the Corinthians teach us that Yeshua the Messiah is our true Passover lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7 says;

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Messiah our Passover is sacrificed for us:”​

He has totally fulfilled the shadow of that original sacrifice, dying at the exact moment the Passover lambs were being sacrificed by the Jews. Now it is his blood that redeems us from our bondage to sin (a type of Egypt). It is also his blood upon the door posts of our hearts that provides us divine protection from Yahweh’s wrath to come. We see this in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and Romans 5:8,9;

“And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Yeshua, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”​

“But God/Elohim commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”​

Feast of Unleavened – Sanctification

Exodus 12:17 says, “And you shall observe the feast of unleavened; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall you observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”​

Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage came on the first day of this Feast (Abib 15). It is a type of how believers are delivered from this world. Once a person accepts Yeshua as their Savior and receives divine redemption and protection through his shed blood, he must begin his journey to the promised land. He begins his exodus out of this worldly system (sanctification or being set apart) and starts to walk in the newness of life that comes only through a relationship with Yeshua, the Son of Yahweh.

As a requirement for observing this Feast, Exodus 12:15 reads;

“Seven days shall you eat unleavened; even the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leaven from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.”​

Leaven represents sin, false doctrine, and hypocrisy. We are not only to rid our homes of leaven during this appointed time, but we are to rid our hearts of these things as we grow in grace and truth. It is part of our sanctification process or the process of coming out of this world. Since this is an ongoing process that will continue until Messiah returns, we cannot do away with the shadow of the Feast of Unleavened.

Wavesheaf – Firstfruits of the barley harvest

The firstfruits of the barley harvest were offered on Abib 16.

Leviticus 23:10,11 says, “Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When you are come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahweh, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.”​

The fulfillment of this wavesheaf offering is found in the person of Yeshua who was the firstfruit of the spiritual harvest of souls mentioned earlier in this study. We see this in 1 Corinthians 15:20;

“But now is Messiah risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.”

Yeshua’s resurrection occurred on the exact date and at the exact time the wavesheaf was offered, the early morning of Abib 16. Every believer in Messiah has a hope of a resurrection from the dead, but only at the appointed time. First, the firstfruits of the harvest had to take place (Yeshua’s resurrection). Eventually the entire crop of souls will be harvested.

Feast of Weeks – Firstfruits of the wheat harvest

Fifty days after the wave offering brings us to the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost. This was the day the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples in Acts 2. To understand the shadow of this day we must go back to Leviticus 23:15-17;

“And you shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall you number fifty days; and you shall offer a new meat offering unto Yahweh. You shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto Yahweh.”​

As we saw in Leviticus 23:10,11, Yeshua represented the firstfruits of the barley harvest. Here, however, we have the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. The Parable of the Tares taught us that wheat is symbolic of true believers and that all believers, the entire harvest, would be reaped or resurrected after the tares or wicked are destroyed. However, before the main harvest is reaped the firstfruits of the harvest must be offered. In Leviticus 23:17 we see the firstfruits being represented by two loaves of wheat bread. In Revelation 14:1-5 we learn the 144,000 are the “firstfruits unto [Yahweh] and to the Lamb.”

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his name and his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto [Yahweh] and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of [Yahweh].”​

Just as the reaping and waving of the sheaf in Leviticus 23:10,11represented the resurrection and ascension of Yeshua, the wave loaves of Leviticus 23:17 represent the ascension of the firstfruits of Revelation 14. Each loaf represents one group of 144,000. The total number of firstfruits of the wheat harvest is 288,000.

In Acts 2, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was the “former rain” that allowed the wheat harvest to grow. The “latter rain” is yet to come. The Holy Spirit will be poured out once again to fulfill the two important rains of the agricultural cycle of Israel.

Day of Trumpets – Warning of the coming judgment

Leviticus 23:24 reads, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.”​

On this day “trumpets” (plural) are blown, not just one trumpet. When Yeshua returns only one trumpet will be blown. Therefore, he will not return on the Day of Trumpets. This day is a shadow of a future time in Yahweh’s plan of salvation when He will command the angels to begin blowing the seven trumpets of Revelation 8. These trumpet judgments begin the “Day of Yahweh” or the day of His wrath upon this world.

Day of Atonement – Yeshua’s return

The atonement has been totally fulfilled by Yeshua’s one time sacrifice for sins, however, there remains one aspect of this day that has not been fulfilled. It was on this day (the tenth day of the seventh month) that the “trumpet of the Jubilee” was blown as we read in Leviticus 25:8,9;

“And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall you make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.”​

I believe Yeshua will return at the sound of the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15, the same trumpet as in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52, the trumpet of Jubilee. The Jubilee signaled the time when liberty was proclaimed throughout the land and every man returned to his own family (Leviticus 25:10). When Yeshua returns at the sound of the Jubilee trumpet on the Day of Atonement, he will set the captives of death free. They will be granted liberty and they will return to their own family. Since Yahweh is their Father, they will return to His family in heaven.

Feast of Tabernacles – Millennium

Leviticus 23:39 – “Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep a feast unto Yahweh seven days:”​

After the harvest of souls is complete or after the final agricultural harvest is complete and the fruit of the land (true believers) is gathered or resurrected, the millennium will begin which is the reality of the shadow of this Feast.

“Thou shall observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou has gathered in thy corn and thy wine: And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. Seven days shall thou keep a solemn feast unto Yahweh thy Elohim in the place which Yahweh shall choose: because Yahweh thy Elohim shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice.” (Deuteronomy 16:13-15).​

It is a time of rejoicing for those in Messiah as they see the fruit of their labors over the course of their walk with Yeshua. All the seeds they ever planted, all the toil and hardships they underwent to further the Kingdom of Yahweh is now reaped and brought into Yahweh’s barn. They will now live forever in Yahweh’s Kingdom.

Last Great Day – The New Earth

We finally come to the culmination of Yahweh’s great plan of salvation. The Millennium has ended. The Great White Throne Judgment has been completed. Death and the grave have been thrown into the lake of fire. We come to a time spoken of by Yeshua on the Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles in which he said;

“If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Yeshua was not yet glorified.)” (John 7:37-39)​

This happened in part in Acts 2, but it will happen to all when Yahweh’s Last Great Day is literally fulfilled after the Millennium when rivers of living water will flow out to the nations and the earth is restored to its former glory.

“And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of [Yahweh] and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of [Yahweh] and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him: And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for [Yahweh] Elohim gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.” (Revelation 22:1-5)​
 
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Why would it be observed by Israel throughout the millennium? If Tabernacles is not required by believers now, why would it be required by anyone, including Israel, in the Kingdom of YHWH ruled by Yeshua?
The Feasts also have an "outer ceremony", but the believer who understands what the Feasts truly represent and keeps them out of love for YHWH is truly justified as well, "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified" (Romans 2:13).

I think in many respects we are largely agreed, the difference (at the moment) being in how we would specifically define terms like "required." I regard water baptism as a clear commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ, because of the lesson it teaches. But at the same time the failure by some believer to keep it, say out of ignorance, would not in my mind be held against him as a "sin." No man is without excuse where his conscience is concerned, however, and while Gentiles may not understand the spiritual significance of keeping the feasts until they mature in the things of God, their conscience even as a spiritual infant will immediately convict them regarding sins like lust, jealousy, envy, resentment, etc.
Death to the fleshly man AND the resurrection of the new man.

Agreed, although I regard the baptism in the Holy Spirit (which was to follow immediately thereafter) to complete the representation of resurrection into new life in the Spirit. Why did you bring it up? You lost me.
Keep in mind that my view may differ from other Feast keepers. It is sometimes difficult to perceive the reality that casts the shadow.

Passover Redemption / Protection

Exodus 12:3,6,7,12,13 – “Speak you unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: . . .And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it . . . For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am Yahweh. And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where you are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.”
It was through the shed blood of a lamb being applied to their doorposts that the Israelites received Yahweh’s divine protection from the final plague to befall Egypt. It was through this same sacrifice that Israel was redeemed from Egyptian bondage.

The New Testament writings of Paul to the Corinthians teach us that Yeshua the Messiah is our true Passover lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7 says;


“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Messiah our Passover is sacrificed for us:”
He has totally fulfilled the shadow of that original sacrifice, dying at the exact moment the Passover lambs were being sacrificed by the Jews. Now it is his blood that redeems us from our bondage to sin (a type of Egypt). It is also his blood upon the door posts of our hearts that provides us divine protection from Yahweh’s wrath to come. We see this in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and Romans 5:8,9;

“And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Yeshua, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”
“But God/Elohim commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
Feast of Unleavened – Sanctification

Exodus 12:17 says, “And you shall observe the feast of unleavened; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall you observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”
Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage came on the first day of this Feast (Abib 15). It is a type of how believers are delivered from this world. Once a person accepts Yeshua as their Savior and receives divine redemption and protection through his shed blood, he must begin his journey to the promised land. He begins his exodus out of this worldly system (sanctification or being set apart) and starts to walk in the newness of life that comes only through a relationship with Yeshua, the Son of Yahweh.

As a requirement for observing this Feast, Exodus 12:15 reads;


“Seven days shall you eat unleavened; even the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leaven from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.”
Leaven represents sin, false doctrine, and hypocrisy. We are not only to rid our homes of leaven during this appointed time, but we are to rid our hearts of these things as we grow in grace and truth. It is part of our sanctification process or the process of coming out of this world. Since this is an ongoing process that will continue until Messiah returns, we cannot do away with the shadow of the Feast of Unleavened.

Wavesheaf – Firstfruits of the barley harvest

The firstfruits of the barley harvest were offered on Abib 16.


Leviticus 23:10,11 says, “Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When you are come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahweh, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.”
The fulfillment of this wavesheaf offering is found in the person of Yeshua who was the firstfruit of the spiritual harvest of souls mentioned earlier in this study. We see this in 1 Corinthians 15:20;

“But now is Messiah risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.”
Yeshua’s resurrection occurred on the exact date and at the exact time the wavesheaf was offered, the early morning of Abib 16. Every believer in Messiah has a hope of a resurrection from the dead, but only at the appointed time. First, the firstfruits of the harvest had to take place (Yeshua’s resurrection). Eventually the entire crop of souls will be harvested.

Feast of Weeks – Firstfruits of the wheat harvest

Fifty days after the wave offering brings us to the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost. This was the day the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples in Acts 2. To understand the shadow of this day we must go back to Leviticus 23:15-17;


“And you shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall you number fifty days; and you shall offer a new meat offering unto Yahweh. You shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto Yahweh.”
As we saw in Leviticus 23:10,11, Yeshua represented the firstfruits of the barley harvest. Here, however, we have the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. The Parable of the Tares taught us that wheat is symbolic of true believers and that all believers, the entire harvest, would be reaped or resurrected after the tares or wicked are destroyed. However, before the main harvest is reaped the firstfruits of the harvest must be offered. In Leviticus 23:17 we see the firstfruits being represented by two loaves of wheat bread. In Revelation 14:1-5 we learn the 144,000 are the “firstfruits unto [Yahweh] and to the Lamb.”

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his name and his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto [Yahweh] and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of [Yahweh].”
Just as the reaping and waving of the sheaf in Leviticus 23:10,11represented the resurrection and ascension of Yeshua, the wave loaves of Leviticus 23:17 represent the ascension of the firstfruits of Revelation 14. Each loaf represents one group of 144,000. The total number of firstfruits of the wheat harvest is 288,000.

In Acts 2, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was the “former rain” that allowed the wheat harvest to grow. The “latter rain” is yet to come. The Holy Spirit will be poured out once again to fulfill the two important rains of the agricultural cycle of Israel.

Day of Trumpets – Warning of the coming judgment


Leviticus 23:24 reads, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.”
On this day “trumpets” (plural) are blown, not just one trumpet. When Yeshua returns only one trumpet will be blown. Therefore, he will not return on the Day of Trumpets. This day is a shadow of a future time in Yahweh’s plan of salvation when He will command the angels to begin blowing the seven trumpets of Revelation 8. These trumpet judgments begin the “Day of Yahweh” or the day of His wrath upon this world.

Day of Atonement – Yeshua’s return

The atonement has been totally fulfilled by Yeshua’s one time sacrifice for sins, however, there remains one aspect of this day that has not been fulfilled. It was on this day (the tenth day of the seventh month) that the “trumpet of the Jubilee” was blown as we read in Leviticus 25:8,9;


“And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall you make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.”
I believe Yeshua will return at the sound of the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15, the same trumpet as in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52, the trumpet of Jubilee. The Jubilee signaled the time when liberty was proclaimed throughout the land and every man returned to his own family (Leviticus 25:10). When Yeshua returns at the sound of the Jubilee trumpet on the Day of Atonement, he will set the captives of death free. They will be granted liberty and they will return to their own family. Since Yahweh is their Father, they will return to His family in heaven.

Feast of Tabernacles – Millennium


Leviticus 23:39 – “Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep a feast unto Yahweh seven days:”
After the harvest of souls is complete or after the final agricultural harvest is complete and the fruit of the land (true believers) is gathered or resurrected, the millennium will begin which is the reality of the shadow of this Feast.

“Thou shall observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou has gathered in thy corn and thy wine: And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. Seven days shall thou keep a solemn feast unto Yahweh thy Elohim in the place which Yahweh shall choose: because Yahweh thy Elohim shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice.” (Deuteronomy 16:13-15).
It is a time of rejoicing for those in Messiah as they see the fruit of their labors over the course of their walk with Yeshua. All the seeds they ever planted, all the toil and hardships they underwent to further the Kingdom of Yahweh is now reaped and brought into Yahweh’s barn. They will now live forever in Yahweh’s Kingdom.

Last Great Day – The New Earth

We finally come to the culmination of Yahweh’s great plan of salvation. The Millennium has ended. The Great White Throne Judgment has been completed. Death and the grave have been thrown into the lake of fire. We come to a time spoken of by Yeshua on the Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles in which he said;


“If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Yeshua was not yet glorified.)” (John 7:37-39)
This happened in part in Acts 2, but it will happen to all when Yahweh’s Last Great Day is literally fulfilled after the Millennium when rivers of living water will flow out to the nations and the earth is restored to its former glory.

“And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of [Yahweh] and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of [Yahweh] and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him: And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for [Yahweh] Elohim gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.” (Revelation 22:1-5)

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I think in many respects we are largely agreed, the difference (at the moment) being in how we would specifically define terms like "required." I regard water baptism as a clear commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ, because of the lesson it teaches. But at the same time the failure by some believer to keep it, say out of ignorance, would not in my mind be held against him as a "sin." No man is without excuse where his conscience is concerned, however, and while Gentiles may not understand the spiritual significance of keeping the feasts until they mature in the things of God, their conscience even as a spiritual infant will immediately convict them regarding sins like lust, jealousy, envy, resentment, etc.
To me "required" means something our Father wants us to do. Failure to do it is sin. If one is ignorant of the Feasts, then it is a sin of ignorance to break it. The problem with the conscience is that when there is no law against something there is no conscience regarding breaking it. Christians have been deceived into believing the Holy Days are done away with or not required. So when they work on the Sabbath, for example, their conscience does not bother them because in their mind there is no law against it. Nine of the Ten Commandments have been retained by most Christians. So when they steal or commit adultery, their conscience will bother them. What better way to get believers to sin than to deceive them into believing the law is abolished? The adversary knows exactly what he is doing.

The Spirit inspired David to write, "The law of YHWH is perfect, converting the soul:". How? The law is like a mirror. When we look into it we see the sin all over our face. We can then go to Yeshua to be cleansed, but if the mirror is broken or removed, then we don't see our sin and don't confess it or repent of it. We continue on as though nothing is wrong because we can't see our sin.

Agreed, although I regard the baptism in the Holy Spirit (which was to follow immediately thereafter) to complete the representation of resurrection into new life in the Spirit. Why did you bring it up? You lost me.
I brought it up because you only mentioned half of what baptism represent (death of the fleshly man - via burying under water). The other half is rising up out of the water representing our resurrection as new creatures in Messiah.
 
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Yes, Lulav. :) But the question remains which commandments.

If there were a question 60 years later then why did he make it all inclusive?

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep
the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. ...

And

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't say, 'some' of the commandments, or only 'the commandments given in Acts 15' or any such thing, it is defined as the 'Commandments of God'.

So as far as I see it, that's exactly what it means.

Where I differ is that the festivals and holy days are still a law in force, and that failure to keep them constitutes a sin. I believe they will be keep in Israel throughout the millennium (Isaiah 66), but will NOT be mediatory for the rest of the nations to observe unless they desire to.

I think this begs to differ......
23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

24
“And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
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Sin is disobedience to G-d, those who rebel against him to follow his word.

Also from Isaiah

"Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath And holds fast My covenant; 7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples."…

Yeshua echoed that here : (in the synoptics)

17 Then He began to teach them and declare, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”
 
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The Sabbath is in fact the very first of the appointed times for meeting with the L-RD.

Leviticus 23 lists them all but the start of them is the Sabbath.

1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

The Sabbath

3“ ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord.

A thing of interest to note. The Sabbath was actually an 'enforced behavior modification' that HaShem taught his people in the wilderness.

The six 'common' days food was provided, with a double portion to signal the end of the week and the Sabbath to come.
 
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Where I differ is that the festivals and holy days are still a law in force, and that failure to keep them constitutes a sin. I believe they will be keep in Israel throughout the millennium (Isaiah 66), but will NOT be mediatory for the rest of the nations to observe unless they desire to.

First off, YHWH said keep these "festivals" forever. "I don't know what "mediatory" means; but if you're implying that there is some intermediate interval when lawlessness will be accepted as righteousness, for selective groups, based on race; I haven't seen scripture to support that supposition.

Many Hebrews stayed behind in Egypt during the time of Moshe. In contrast, many non-Hebrews left Egypt with Moshe. What did YHWH say to do with them?


(CLV) Ex 12:42
It was a night of observances for Yahweh to bring them forth from the land of Egypt. This same night is to Yahweh, observances for all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.

(CLV) Ex 12:48
In case a sojourner is sojourning with you, and he makes a passover to Yahweh, every male of his is to be circumcised, and then he may draw near to make it, and he will become as a native of the land. Yet anyone uncircumcised, he shall not eat of it.

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.

One law!

What is this law?

(תֹּורָה)

It's the Torah!


Within the Torah are the covenants (contracts), including the covenant (contract) that YHWH made with Moshe, and Yashra'el.

Yashra'el broke that marriage covenant (contract) with YHWH; but their offspring can still marry into YHWH's family, through his son Yahshua.

YHWH is still the head honcho. He wouldn't want anything less for the bride of his son, than for his own bride. To put it another way, if a tenant breaks a contract with a landlord; he throws him out for breaking the contract. He who didn't keep the terms, broke the contract. The landlord then brings in a new tenant, under a new contract. What is new is the tenant, not the terms of the contract.

Now who is this contract being offered to?

(CLV) Hb 8:8
For, blaming them, He is saying, "Lo! the days are coming," the Lord is saying, "And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant, (contract)

That's it. He doesn't mention anyone else.

What are some of the terms?

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws (Torah) to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua did not come to abolish the Torah. He kept the Torah. He told us to follow his example.

Who did Yahshua come for?

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Yahshua came for none but Yashra'el. Yashrael has the Torah on their hearts. You are correct. If those of the nations do not desire to have YHWH to impart the Torah to their comprehension, and inscribe it on their hearts; Yahshua was not commissioned for them. They have no contract.
 
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? Not sure I understand your question. What do you mean by "separate from"?
and I was not understanding your statement here....
" I believe they will be keep in Israel throughout the millennium (Isaiah 66), but will NOT be mediatory for the rest of the nations to observe unless they desire to.".. so had to ask if you think there was a separation Jew from Gentile.. because of their observance or lack there of.
 
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Exactly. Paul is edifying the Colossians to not let outsiders judge them for how they keep the Sabbath.

Paul is essentially saying "don't let anybody judge you for how you keep the Sabbath except for the body of the Messiah"

He injected the shadow of things to come" part mid-sentence

It shouldn't read "but the body is of Messiah"

He's saying, let no man judge you for the Sabbaths but the body of Messiah

The "which are a shadow of things to come" is a pause in his original message. And then he goes right back to what he was saying by finishing with "but the body of Messiah"

If you take out the pause, "which are a shadow of things to come", you will see what he's saying: let no man judge you for how you keep the Sabbath and holy days except for the body of Messiah. These are a shadow of things to come.

To sum it up, he's telling Colossians to only let other believers of Messiah judge you for how you keep the Sabbath days. He's definitely not telling them to not let people judge them for not keeping the Sabbath.
I beg to differ on how you separated the "things to come" from the body of the Messiah and re-attached it to the "let no man judge".... Which I disagree with...
Point 1.. No one is to judge you on how you keep the Feasts, Sabbaths, or New Moon
Point 2 .. All things point to Yeshua or Messiah, just as it pointed to Him being the Passover Lamb, so also does it point to His involvement into the fulfillment of the fall feasts which have yet to be fulfilled, aka [the body of the Messiah]and that is what it is the "shadow of things to come.
 
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I beg to differ on how you separated the "things to come" from the body of the Messiah and re-attached it to the "let no man judge".... Which I disagree with...
Point 1.. No one is to judge you on how you keep the Feasts, Sabbaths, or New Moon
Point 2 .. All things point to Yeshua or Messiah, just as it pointed to Him being the Passover Lamb, so also does it point to His involvement into the fulfillment of the fall feasts which have yet to be fulfilled, aka [the body of the Messiah]and that is what it is the "shadow of things to come.
I agree with Dkh587. The meaning in plain English is, "Let no man judge you ... except other believers."
The "body of Messiah" does not refer to a future reality found in him, but to the "church" just as Paul taught in the surrounding chapters (Colossians 1:18, 24; 2:19). Yes, there is a future reality found in him which Paul meant by the phrase "things to come", but not by the phrase "body of Messiah".
 
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I agree with Dkh587. The meaning in plain English is, "Let no man judge you ... except other believers."
The "body of Messiah" does not refer to a future reality found in him, but to the "church" just as Paul taught in the surrounding chapters (Colossians 1:18, 24; 2:19). Yes, there is a future reality found in him which Paul meant by the phrase "things to come", but not by the phrase "body of Messiah".
Feasts and Sabbaths have never pointed to "the body" of believers but always to the Messiah and are a foretelling of His Work in times and events.
 
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Feasts and Sabbaths have never pointed to "the body" of believers but always to the Messiah and are a foretelling of His Work in times and events.
I didn't say they did. The body of believers are the only ones that can judge us concerning Feasts and Sabbaths.
 
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I beg to differ on how you separated the "things to come" from the body of the Messiah and re-attached it to the "let no man judge".... Which I disagree with...
Point 1.. No one is to judge you on how you keep the Feasts, Sabbaths, or New Moon
Point 2 .. All things point to Yeshua or Messiah, just as it pointed to Him being the Passover Lamb, so also does it point to His involvement into the fulfillment of the fall feasts which have yet to be fulfilled, aka [the body of the Messiah]and that is what it is the "shadow of things to come.

While the feasts/Shabbat etc are indeed shadows of things to come, we are to only let the body of Messiah judge us regarding the Sabbath and feasts etc

Think about the overarching point Paul is making. Outsiders to the body of Messiah are trying to persuade the Colossians with their pagan garbage. It only makes sense that he is telling the Colossians to only let the body of Messiah judge them in regards to the Sabbath, while also reminding them that they are a shadow of things to come.

His 2 points are that only the body of Messiah should judge us, and that the feasts are shadows of things to come.
 
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Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

It is a slippery slope to judge another's walk. We all do not walk "this" way... Whatever "way" that is...Many a member of the body of Messiah has taken it upon themselves, whether in leadership or not, and "bound or loosened" according to their interpretation.

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
 
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Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

It is a slippery slope to judge another's walk. We all do not walk "this" way... Whatever "way" that is...Many a member of the body of Messiah has taken it upon themselves, whether in leadership or not, and "bound or loosened" according to their interpretation.

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The Messiah also taught to judge righteously - John 7:24

Judge Not or Judge Righteous Judgment? Matthew 7; John 7 - New Life Baptist Church

It's only a slippery slope if we are not judging righteously
 
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Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

It is a slippery slope to judge another's walk. We all do not walk "this" way... Whatever "way" that is...Many a member of the body of Messiah has taken it upon themselves, whether in leadership or not, and "bound or loosened" according to their interpretation.

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
We are not to allow unbelievers to judge us as to how we keep holy days, but we are to judge ourselves. Is it lawful to do this or that on a holy day? Is it lawful to eat this or drink that in our walk? Is it lawful to have others work for us on Sabbath while we rest? Many questions arise in congregations concerning these matters. We must judge righteously concerning them, but unbelievers have no right whatsoever to make such judgments upon us.
 
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...<snip>...

Feast of Unleavened – Sanctification

Exodus 12:17 says, “And you shall observe the feast of unleavened; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall you observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.”​

Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage came on the first day of this Feast (Abib 15). It is a type of how believers are delivered from this world. Once a person accepts Yeshua as their Savior and receives divine redemption and protection through his shed blood, he must begin his journey to the promised land. He begins his exodus out of this worldly system (sanctification or being set apart) and starts to walk in the newness of life that comes only through a relationship with Yeshua, the Son of Yahweh.

As a requirement for observing this Feast, Exodus 12:15 reads;

“Seven days shall you eat unleavened; even the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leaven from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.”​

Leaven represents sin, false doctrine, and hypocrisy. We are not only to rid our homes of leaven during this appointed time, but we are to rid our hearts of these things as we grow in grace and truth. It is part of our sanctification process or the process of coming out of this world. Since this is an ongoing process that will continue until Messiah returns, we cannot do away with the shadow of the Feast of Unleavened.
..<snip>...
Side bar..

I was reading through your excellent presentation of the shadow and reality for the keepers of the feasts and was blessed by it... then a thought came to me, while reading this part about the Feast of Unleavened Bread... Our Lord is allowing seven milleniums to deal with sin, and the sanctification process. Maybe the feast of unleavened bread has this big picture of this process hidden within. I have always wondered about this feast stuck in the middle of the feasts.
 
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I agree.. but that takes walking with Him to know what is a righteous judgement, not some other member of a congregation's say so, not even the leader of that said congregation.
Isn't "walking with Him" the slippery slope so many stumble over? Have you ever encountered two Believers who disagree? Both believe He is walking beside them to guide them in their judgement. In G-ds Eyes neither one may be judging righteously.

"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, since you know that we
will be judged more severely" ... James 3:1

Yeshua has the final Word when it comes to Righteous Judgement
 
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The Messiah also taught to judge righteously - John 7:24

It's only a slippery slope if we are not judging righteously
Being that G-d provided the Way to forgive us for our trespasses isn't the Lamb of G-d
the only one qualified to judge Righteously (Matthew 6:12, Luke 11:4, John 8:1-11 and Revelation 20:11-13) ?

If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses
may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I
made a man's whole body well?
(John 7:23)
 
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