The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

Halbhh · Feb 28, 2018

Oldmantook said:
Actually it is the other way around. I have studied the flat earth premise for close to a year and find it quite remarkable that people who were formerly atheists and agnostics are converting to Christianity because after delving into this subject for themselves, they believe the Bible describes a flat earth and they disbelieve the "science" they have been taught all of their lives. The great irony in this is that Christians themselves don't believe in a flat, geocentric earth despite the Bible's description of such. I am curious to know where you find scriptural support for a spherical, heliocentric earth model?

Because instead of some theory about how to interpret something in the Old Testament that isn't necessarily clear to all....

instead of that...

Instead, I believe in Jesus, our Christ, our Savior, who died and rose again!

.

Now, when I read Isaiah though, I'm content 'circle' means round of course, and I do not worry about it further. Why should I worry about it further? See? Instead, you

you, and me, both of us

already have a task at hand. This one:

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

So, that means about 99% of all of my concern is doing this, and not some other stuff about preaching any interpretation of some part of the Old Testament about mere geometry. Right?

Once we remember that the geometry will not save us, either way, then we correctly discount it down to the very unimportant thing it is, the mere interpretation of mere geometry. Since it is so unimportant, then we don't worry much about preaching it to anyone ever. It will not save, not one interpretation, nor the other. Not yours, nor mine.

Only the above Jesus commanded us allows us to make it.

Our understandings of stuff in the Old Testament won't help nor save.

People who have faith in those geometry interpretations Christ is showing us have built on sand.

Run off the sand, go over to the rock.

Don't even take the chance of having people build on sand, even accidentally.
.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
I'd rather take what God said than Galileo .
And if you read hebrew there is no word for universe , and there is dome the word used is

רָקִיעַ
expanse (flat as base, support)
extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament

actually not comming from Catholics but from oryginal scriptures written in hebrew so you are just lying .

But many of the verses that Flat Earth theorists use are from poetic parts of the Bible and they are trying to enforce a wrong hermeneutics when they try to study to show themselves approved unto God.

The Bible says,

"I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets." (Hosea 12:10).

Similitudes are figures of speech or metaphors.
When we read books like Song of Solomon or Revelation, we cannot just read those kinds of books with a straight literal terminology. The paint pictures using "similitudes." It is up to us to find out how the Bible defines these things. For example: I believe most Christians misunderstand what really happened in the Story of Noah and Ham in Genesis 9 because they do not look to the Bible to interpret the Bible. They do not always look to how the Bible explains certain figures of speech or metaphors.

The original thread (that was closed):
So What Really Happened in Noah's Tent After the Flood?

The continued thread (that I created today):
Biblical Metaphors Shed Light on Ham's Sin in Noah's Tent.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

mark kennedy said:
I really have no idea how you tie this to Biblical theism, I mean seriously. When the Hebrew writers are talking about the circle of something most often they are just including all of it. The ancient Hebrews were not into astronomy, they would appear to have been perfectly content with a lunar calendar and that was about it. They couldn't calculate Pi, they would have had a pretty basic concept of the heavens only knowing what they needed to get the crops in the ground at a certain time. What they tell us about God is unparalleled, I can't believe a thread like this is being entertained in this forum. There was a time when this was a place for serious discussion regarding origins, like I said, it's disappointing.

Do you believe that God wrote His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit through the Biblical authors? If so, then that means that God could have inspired them to write things that went beyond even what they were thinking at the time. In other words, it doesn't matter what the Biblical authors thought of the cosmology of the Earth back in Bible times. We really cannot know what they thought for sure unless they wrote it down in the Scriptures. What I do know is that God knew that the Earth was a sphere back then as He does now. He surely would have left bread crumbs in His Word through the Biblical authors so that it does fit the truth that the Earth is round. Nowhere am I suggesting that the authors thought the Earth was round. Maybe they did believe that or maybe they didn't. We don't know. But God knew and He surely would have placed such truth as little sprinkles or hints in His Word. Sure, God's Word does not say point blank that the Earth is a sphere, but the little bread crumbs in His Word points to that fact. That is what I am getting at here.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

Halbhh said:
Ok, humbly we can also admit a sphere is like a circle as seen from above, of course, so I'll agree to anyone that wants to say that even 'circle' could be said to be metaphor also in the verse, though it's very picky to worry about it! I've gotten to where I don't want to ever argue with anyone even when they poke at me though, lol. Even when someone says I'm wrong about whatever, I'm getting to where it doesn't even make me feel any need to defend anything even a bit (often), except only to help clarify the scripture alone. I suggest it's sufficient to point people to the reason/need for your op as you expressed it in #28.

Put another way, I want to try to say true things clearly, and then once that's done, I don't need to even defend it, because the truth wins over time inevitably. It only needs clear statements and kind help for those that think we're saying something different than we mean.

I agree that we can see circles as being spheres. My point is that Isaiah 40:22 is that it is not a contradiction to say circle because of this fact. The moon can look like a circle when it's features or inner details are not present so much. But we still know it is a sphere regardless if it looks like a flat circle that is lit up. I imagine Earth can be like a lit up dot to God from far away and God can (if He desired) could sit upon that little circle or dot because He can be present everywhere.

As for defending the truth of the Scriptures:

We are told to contend for the fath;
And to preach the Word.

"ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3).

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2).

Matthew 24 10 · Feb 28, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Do you believe that God wrote His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit through the Biblical authors? If so, then that means that God could have inspired them to write things that went beyond even what they were thinking at the time. In other words, it doesn't matter what the Biblical authors thought of the cosmology of the Earth back in Bible times. We really cannot know what they thought for sure unless they wrote it down in the Scriptures. What I do know is that God knew that the Earth was a sphere back then as He does now. He surely would have left bread crumbs in His Word through the Biblical authors so that it does fit the truth that the Earth is round. Nowhere am I suggesting that the authors thought the Earth was round. Maybe they did believe that or maybe they didn't. We don't know. But God knew and He surely would have placed such truth as little sprinkles or hints in His Word. Sure, God's Word does not say point blank that the Earth is a sphere, but the little bread crumbs in His Word points to that fact. That is what I am getting at here.

How will all people see him returning in clouds if earth is sphere ? Will he sit in sky for 24h so everybody has chance ?

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

BradB said:
For me the notion of a flat earth is beyond absurd. I have debated with flat earthers before and found that they are however not anymore guilty of their views than a lot of other Christians. What has happened is that they are so convinced that the Bible teaches the world is flat, and since the Bible is the word of God, then a spherical earth is impossible no matter what evidence you present. They have latched onto that belief tighter than a fat tick in a dog's ear and are not going to let go for nothing. Everyone who has ever claimed to have traveled into space is (in their eyes) a liar, all the photos are "photo shopped," and the entire world is being deceived by the biggest conglomerate conspiracy ever known to make the people believe it is a sphere in order to discredit the Bible. The arguments made about it being light and dark at the same time in opposite parts of the world are easily refuted by them. The world in their eyes is like a giant phonograph record spinning in a dark room with "your" flashlight shining on only half of the record.

So the core heart of the problem isn't just a matter of science and Bible interpretation. It is having the notion that "God said it...I believe it...that settles it! Is that really the attitude that God wants believers to have? I mean after all He says let God's word be true and everyman a liar...right? Well not really. That is pulling Romans 3:4 out of its intended context. In that passage Paul is talking about the doctrine of faith verses works of the law. He isn't talking about our personal interpretations of every single passage. And He isn't saying chuck reason out the window if you have a passage that contradicts that reason. Mormons do this very thing. They are convinced that founder Joseph Smith was God's prophet regardless of the fact that he made many false predictions including the one that the moon was inhabited with human life just as on earth. What does scripture really tell us about using our reasoning? It warns us to "test" ALL things and only hold fast to that which is good. (1 Thes. 5:21)

How do we know that the Bible is God's word? It is by testing what it says in light of what we observe obviously. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. Moses told us in Deut. 18 we can know a false prophet if what he says does not come to pass. In other words God doesn't expect us to check our brains at the door of the church with the hats and coats. In Hebrews 11:6 we are told that the first step is to be convinced that God is, and the second step is to learn how He faithfully rewards those who diligently seek Him. How do we become convinced that God is? Romans 1:20 tells us that, it is obvious He exists through the study of science so much that we are without excuse. How do we know which religion is true and which one is false? If it fails to agree with what we observe in science, If its prophet makes claims that conflict with known history, if he makes inconsistent claims, or if he makes false prophecies. This is what I like to call the S.H.I.P. test.

I have been studying the Bible for 28 years and have yet to find a single place where it fails the test. I am convinced it never will. But I stay open. Say it were to turn out that science proved God didn't create the world in six days, or that He didn't create each individual creature after its own kind, or that Adam wasn't the first man...etc... The day such a thing is undoubtedly "proven" would be the day I toss my Bible in the trash and never darken the door to another church. These things have not been proven. They are merely popular interpretations of the evidence. Not like having hundreds of photos of the earth from space. The point here is that God wants us to use our minds. He says come let us "reason" together. The things of God are reasonable. He said be ready always to give a defense to anyone who asks for the "reason" of your hope. (1 Peter 3:15)

The Hebrew word translated circle in the old testament can either mean circle, sphere, or arch. This makes it possible the author meant a sphere not a flat round phonograph record. Jesus describes the hour of His return to have some grinding at the mill (morning activity), some working in the field (day activity), and some sleeping in bed (night activity). Obviously these three conditions cannot exist at the same "hour" on a flat earth. Jesus would know what shape the earth was for Hebrews 1 tells us He was there at its formation.

Well said.

:oldthumbsup:

May God bless you greatly today.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
How will all people see him returning in clouds if earth is sphere ?

Because of this...

mark kennedy · Feb 28, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Do you believe that God wrote His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit through the Biblical authors? If so, then that means that God could have inspired them to write things that went beyond even what they were thinking at the time. In other words, it doesn't matter what the Biblical authors thought of the cosmology of the Earth back in Bible times. We really cannot know what they thought for sure unless they wrote it down in the Scriptures. What I do know is that God knew that the Earth was a sphere back then as He does now. He surely would have left bread crumbs in His Word through the Biblical authors so that it does fit the truth that the Earth is round. Nowhere am I suggesting that the authors thought the Earth was round. Maybe they did believe that or maybe they didn't. We don't know. But God knew and He surely would have placed such truth as little sprinkles or hints in His Word. Sure, God's Word does not say point blank that the Earth is a sphere, but the little bread crumbs in His Word points to that fact. That is what I am getting at here.

All that is irrelevant. What I believe about what is recorded in Scripture as a matter of fact is irrelevant to this discussion. This is an important topic, the subject of origins is a vital theological issues and I get kind of tired of seeing it trivialized. You don't take doctrinal study seriously and I doubt seriously you take the subject of cosmology or astronomy seriously. The subject of a flat earth isn't an issue anymore, move on.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

Oldmantook said:
Actually it is the other way around. I have studied the flat earth premise for close to a year and find it quite remarkable that people who were formerly atheists and agnostics are converting to Christianity because after delving into this subject for themselves, they believe the Bible describes a flat earth and they disbelieve the "science" they have been taught all of their lives. The great irony in this is that Christians themselves don't believe in a flat, geocentric earth despite the Bible's description of such. I am curious to know where you find scriptural support for a spherical, heliocentric earth model?

Ignoring reality as a part of coming to the faith can sometimes happen. People wrongfully believe in Eternal Torment when coming to the faith. It's very popular. But in time, God will lead a person into seeing the truth if they want to see it.

However, I see a trend taking place in these last days. People are ignoring reality more than ever. That is why the Flat Earth belief has taken steam. People don't see a problem in taking the Tide Pod challenge these days. So people believe and do all sorts of things that are part of ignoring reality and or what is good for them. For to teach that there is a flat Earth is to ignore what happens around us openly. You can fly on a plane right now and travel East from New York and come back to New York (flying East the whole time). Granted, you will have to make some stops along the way. But take an aircraft compass with you if you don't believe me. But you probably will come up with some excuse to prevent you from doing this so as to hold onto a belief that is not true. But if you are truly a truth seeker, you will book that vacation and get on that plane and take that aircraft compass with you (to confirm that your heading is East the whole time).

mark kennedy · Feb 28, 2018

Oldmantook said:
Actually it is the other way around. I have studied the flat earth premise for close to a year and find it quite remarkable that people who were formerly atheists and agnostics are converting to Christianity because after delving into this subject for themselves, they believe the Bible describes a flat earth and they disbelieve the "science" they have been taught all of their lives. The great irony in this is that Christians themselves don't believe in a flat, geocentric earth despite the Bible's description of such. I am curious to know where you find scriptural support for a spherical, heliocentric earth model?

You got to be putting us on, you studied this for a year and that's what you came up with.

What scientists are coming up with a flat earth and do you really believe any of that? This used to be such an interesting forum, what ever happened to substantive debate?

Halbhh · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
How will all people see him returning in clouds if earth is sphere ? Will he sit in sky for 24h so everybody has chance ?

God really can do anything. He can alter reality itself in a moment. Not simply make the sun stay still in the sky, or only raise the dead. He can sweep away even heaven and Earth and replace them. He is the Creator, meaning He created physics itself, the laws of nature, only His creation! Having all the Earth see Christ return will not be hard for Him.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2018

mark kennedy said:
All that is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant that God conveys truth within His Word?

You said:
What I believe about what is recorded in Scripture as a matter of fact is irrelevant to this discussion.

Why are you talking here if you believe that what is recorded in Scripture as a matter of fact is irrelevant to this discussion? Shall not man live by every word of God that proceeds out of his mouth? Do you believe no Scripture hints to the fact that the Earth is round?

You said:
This is an important topic,

Not as important as the topic of Jesus Christ.
That is what this thread is really about.
To have a faith in a flat Earth, when reality and the Bible does not specifically teach that can be dangerous to a person's walk with Christ.
It can also be a hinderance to a person accepting the gospel, as well.

But you said that what you believe with Scripture is irrelevant here.

You said:
the subject of origins is a vital theological issues and I get kind of tired of seeing it trivialized.

I am not trivializing the truth that the Earth is round and that the Bible lines up with that truth. Where on Earth did you get the impression that I was trivializing this subject? Did I ever mock the truth of a round Earth or did I mock God's Word? No. You simply are seeing something that is not there.

You said:
You don't take doctrinal study seriously

Okay. So you are God now to know my thoughts and heart?
I don't think so.
I started this thread so as to continue to talk about the truth of this topic and so as to glorify God.
You can call me a liar if you like, but it would not be nice or a Christian thing to do.

You said:
and I doubt seriously you take the subject of cosmology or astronomy seriously.

Well, my life is not ruled by the study of cosmology and astronomy because God is the One who is the focus of my life and not Science. But I do believe Science can be an important tool to backing up what God's Word says. Most are not convinced by evidences that back up God's Word, but there are few out there who are seeking and need them. So I take my study of the evidences that back up God's Word important (But it is not the driving focus of my life). For we are called to preach the gospel and obey Christ's commands (living for Him). Anyways, I created a rather lengthy blogger article on evidences that back up God's Word.

If I didn't take this topic seriously, then why would I bother to create such a lengthy article?

You can check out my Blogger article here:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

You said:
The subject of a flat earth isn't an issue anymore, move on.

Right. That is why there is nobody here who is arguing for a flat Earth within this thread. I mean, do you think they have not grown in numbers in the past few years?

America’s flat-Earth movement appears to be growing

Note:

Please take note that if you are going to continue to question my motives or what I say from this point on, I will just ignore what you say. For I don't have time to deal with anyone who is seeking to attack me or question what I say.

In any event, may God's love shine upon you this fine day;
And may you please be well.

Not_By_Chance · Feb 28, 2018

mark kennedy said:
I really have no idea how you tie this to Biblical theism, I mean seriously. When the Hebrew writers are talking about the circle of something most often they are just including all of it. The ancient Hebrews were not into astronomy, they would appear to have been perfectly content with a lunar calendar and that was about it. They couldn't calculate Pi, they would have had a pretty basic concept of the heavens only knowing what they needed to get the crops in the ground at a certain time. What they tell us about God is unparalleled, I can't believe a thread like this is being entertained in this forum. There was a time when this was a place for serious discussion regarding origins, like I said, it's disappointing.

I quite agree. The Bible doesn't state that the earth is flat but gives hints that it is in fact spherical as we know today (how else would people who have travelled around the world to create some new kind of achievement have got back to their original location if that were not so?). I think this is just being used as a way to try to ridicule Christians by trying to make out that they believe the earth is flat and since that is clearly false, their other beliefs must be false as well.

Matthew 24 10 · Feb 28, 2018

Not_By_Chance said:
I quite agree. The Bible doesn't state that the earth is flat but gives hints that it is in fact spherical as we know today (how else would people who have travelled around the world to create some new kind of achievement have got back to their original location if that were not so?). I think this is just being used as a way to try to ridicule Christians by trying to make out that they believe the earth is flat and since that is clearly false, their other beliefs must be false as well.

How can sphere have corners ?

Matthew 24 10 · Feb 28, 2018

Oldmantook said:
Actually it is the other way around. I have studied the flat earth premise for close to a year and find it quite remarkable that people who were formerly atheists and agnostics are converting to Christianity because after delving into this subject for themselves, they believe the Bible describes a flat earth and they disbelieve the "science" they have been taught all of their lives. The great irony in this is that Christians themselves don't believe in a flat, geocentric earth despite the Bible's description of such. I am curious to know where you find scriptural support for a spherical, heliocentric earth model?

100% agree , moreover if earth was actually sphere this model should not look like this because of gravity

But it should look more like this

Halbhh · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
100% agree , moreover if earth was actually sphere this model should not look like this because of gravity View attachment 221805
But it should look more like this
View attachment 221806

Loose dust and gas and small stuff orbiting a star have a tendency by the design of nature -- God's laws of nature, including in this case gravity -- to attract. Loose dust and small stuff (ice, rocks) orbiting will fall into a disk or plane, mostly, because matter attracts matter -- 'gravity' -- because as small objects (dust, gas, bits of ice, rocks) pass through a dense area, they are slowed down by friction, and then gradually the the gravity of the resulting dense area, a new disk, itself holds the disk itself together as a disk.

So, friction and gravity -- God's physics which He designed, and which works reliably -- settles most of the gas and dust and small objects into a disk, over long periods of time, and then somewhat larger objects also get slowed and settled into the disk, and eventually these begin to clump together, and eventually they form planets, as we observe with telescopes, and you

you

yourself

can observe, the nearby planets,

though any good telescope.

Especially Venus and Mars, that they are round and look like small versions of the moon in some way. Even moreso of course, the nearby moon, is good for you to look at closely.

By directly seeing them, yourself, with your eyes.

Through a telescope.

Why not try and see?

God made nature.

Why not look at it with eagerness to see His laws in motion?

Matthew 24 10 · Feb 28, 2018

Halbhh said:
Loose dust and gas and small stuff orbiting a star have a tendency by the design of nature -- God's laws of nature, including in this case gravity -- to attract. Loose dust and small stuff (ice, rocks) orbiting will fall into a disk or plane, mostly, because matter attracts matter -- 'gravity' -- because as small objects (dust, gas, bits of ice, rocks) pass through a dense area, they are slowed down by friction, and then gradually the the gravity of the resulting dense area, a new disk, itself holds the disk itself together as a disk.

So, friction and gravity -- God's physics which He designed, and which works reliably -- settles most of the gas and dust and small objects into a disk, over long periods of time, and then somewhat larger objects also get slowed and settled into the disk, and eventually these begin to clump together, and eventually they form planets, as we observe with telescopes, and you

you

yourself

can observe, the nearby planets,

though any good telescope.

Especially Venus and Mars, that they are round and look like small versions of the moon in some way. Even moreso of course, the nearby moon, is good for you to look at closely.

By directly seeing them, yourself, with your eyes.

Through a telescope.

Why not try and see?

God made nature.

Why not look at it with eagerness to see His laws in motion?

Did you know it took Newton 3 times the size of Bible to prove gravity yet he did not do it in the end ?

Halbhh · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
Did you know it took Newton 3 times the size of Bible to prove gravity yet he did not do it in the end ?

When I first got a computer in 1982, I was able to use Newton's equation in a program to allow me to reproduce the motion of Earth around the Sun, and the moon around the Earth. The time periods worked.

F = G (m1 m2)/r^2

F is the force between the masses;
G is the gravitational constant (6.674×10−11 N · (m/kg)2);
m1 is the first mass;
m2 is the second mass;
r is the distance between the centers of the masses.

It works! I know because I did the math, used the equation, with time steps (and I'd be happy to quickly describe how to do that), and thus recreated Earth's orbit around the Sun on my computer, doing the programming myself.

So first hand I verified it.

It was fun to play around with stuff like what would happen to Earth's orbit if the Sun was suddenly twice as heavy! What would happen if I put a 2nd moon at the same velocity at a smaller distance from Earth -- what orbit would happen? Etc. A lot of fun if you like to test and see.

I also personally was able to test first hand, myself, the speed of light using rapidly rotating mirrors and beams splitters.
So when I tell you the physics works, I'm not just believing in it. These are direct observations I made. I'm only giving you 2 examples of several tests of various physics stuff I ended up doing first hand in labs.

So instead of believing in physics, I've actaully tested several basic parts of it to see whether it works as claimed.

So, I've first hand verification.

Newton was able to accurately predict the motion of the planets, with his law of 'gravity', so already, even then, it was math corresponding accurately (within the ability to observe) the motions of the planets. No matter what word you call it, the equation worked. We have called this force "F" in the equation above, "gravity".

Does it exist? As much as other stuff we can experience -- it works reliably in a way we can describe and write equations for. (And, even when Einstein later added refinements called "General Relativity", it's still about the same thing, using some new ways to think of it and talk about it, and even more accurate in a way that our GPS navigation systems need to account for in order to work well.)

mmksparbud · Feb 28, 2018

Matthew 24 10 said:
How can sphere have corners ?

If you want to go strictly by what the bible says than you must believe that the earth is a square. Whatever argument you want to come up with about shadows---the point is---the shadow is neither flat nor square.

carrwinn · Mar 1, 2018

It's so amazing that the Bible well before proof could ever be given on the shape of the earth had already revealed that it was a circle. Ironically, looking at the sun and moon and seeing that they were clearly circular/ spherical did not prevent people from conjecturing that the earth was held up by an animal or other explanations.

Jason0047 said:
The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth:
(Flat Earth Refuted):

The Bible:

Job 26:10 NIV says,
"He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness."

Job 26:10 CEV says,
"On the surface of the ocean, God has drawn a boundary line between light and darkness."

Proverbs 8:27 NKJV says, "When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,"

Here it speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The Science:

Imagine taking a toy globe and lighting it with up with a flashlight in a dark room. You will see a circle of a shadow of darkness upon the globe or a circle of light. The line between light and darkness is the horizon line. This horizon line moves across the ocean upon the Earth. The curvature of the Earth prevents the light from reaching the other side. This would not be the case with a flat disk.

The Bible:

A Spherical Earth is further supported by Jesus in:

Luke 17:31, and Luke 17:34 that says, “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.”

This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.

The Science:

For the world experiences different time zones. In one part of the world, they see the sun setting while the other is in darkness. Another part of the world sees the sun rising. If the world were a flat disk, the sun would light the entire world all at once and there would be no time zones. Granted, flat earth theorists suggest that the sun is kind of like a spot light. But that doesn't really make any sense. Only a spherical Earth can allow for time zones or one part of the world experiencing the sunset while another part of the world sees the sunrise and another part of the world sees night time, etc. In fact, you can even talk and or have a video conference with people on the other side of the globe who is experiencing these different time zone differences.

The Science:

Ships and buildings appear to vanish into the horizon line the farther you move away from them. This only makes sense with a spherical Earth. A flat Earth and we would still see the bottom of ships and buildings from far away.

The Science:

Take an aircraft compass and fly on a plane going East from New York with New York being your return destination. You can do this by flying to Europe (Which is East). Then fly to India (Which is East). Then fly to Tokyo, Japan (Which is East). Then fly to California (Which is East). Then fly back to New York (Which is East). You can use the aircraft compass to check to make sure you are heading East the whole time.

The Science:

533 Astronauts have went to space and brought back pictures and video footage of the Earth showing that the Earth is indeed round or spherical. Some of these astronauts are even Christian. Jeffrey Williams had reported to a church live and talked about His Savior Jesus while he was on the international space station. He brought back photos showing that the Earth is indeed round.

Major Lack of Scientific Evidence for a Flat Earth:

No reports of any pilots or explorers having run into any end points (or drop offs) of the Earth. There should be lots of opportunities for this to happen seeing the flat Earth's edge goes in all directions (North, South, East, West, etc.). Not one of the 533 astronauts that went beyond low orbit has come out to speak about how the Earth is really flat instead of round.

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The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

Everything You say is Life to me

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Natura non facit saltum

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Natura non facit saltum

Everything You say is Life to me

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Everything You say is Life to me

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Everything You say is Life to me

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