Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

Do you think enclosed flat earth is possible from scripture, or think it's IMPOSSIBLE?

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I agree..

One more point on this...

If we are in fact moving in all these directions..at all these different speeds and orbits....

How do all the stars and constellations stay EXACTLY the same for thousands of years?
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Genesis 1:1-5 KJV - - Day one
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


God tells us He created the heaven and the earth on first day. God didn't create the heaven first and then wait 10 BILLION Years to create the earth. Even if 1,000 years on earth is but a day for God, it means He waited a million days to create earth, I think. Some enormous number of days in heavenly years. I'm not good at math. It might be 3,650,00 day to God for 10 billion earth years. 14.5 billion year old universe and 4.5 billion year old earth, according to "SCIENCE" and "official cosmology" - so that's 10 billion years after God created heaven, according the experts we all trust. Even if the earth is really 6,000 years old, it's 6 days of creation for God. Who do you believe?
 
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Oh dear! Why do you do this?
Really, why?

Gravity measured as 9.8 meters per second squared is a measure of a free falling object in our earthly atmosphere, that is air. Try it, throw a small tennis ball and a larger ball of the same density at the same height, both will land on the ground at the same time.

The mass of objects in fluids is less, because you have buoyancy due to the forces required to displace the fluid, in this case water. So the forces acting on the rock is not only gravity, but also the force required for the rock to use some of its weight to counteract the opposing buoyancy forces, where the opposing force of gravity wins by eventually bringing the rock down to the bottom of the bucket.

If you compare the same rock being thrown from the same height in air as compared to water, then the forces to displace air are less than the forces required to displace water/fluids and you will see the rock displacing air falls to the ground in a shorter time. Sometimes in certain places of the world like the very salty waters in the black sea, the forces required to displace the water are greater than the opposing forces of gravity and as a result, depending on the downward forces calculated by gravity multiplied by the weight of the rock, the rock will float and its weight is neutralized in an equal and opposite forces scenario (Isaac Newton's 3rd Law).

In the youtube video you provided, the opposing displacement forces of water preventing the rock from penetrating it, is shedding half the weight of the rock, as measured in air, when the counteracting displacenent forces of air are much less than water.

The same thing applies when you measure your weight on a fluffy cushioned carpet. You get less weight shown as compared to a hard surface like a tile, because of the displacement cushioning effect of the carpet. Sports shoes cushion the impacts of gravity on our joints as compared to walking on bare feet.

So, now do you admit that you are in error. Just this situation has exposed the false premises and the false teachings of a flat earth, with no gravity. This should not be dismissed by you and you ought to be open to correction, or at least pray for you to be plucked out of this mass deception, leading to hysteria.
 
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Oh dear! Why do you do this?
Really, why?


So, now do you admit that you are in error. Just this situation has exposed the false premises and the false teachings of a flat earth, with no gravity. This should not be dismissed by you and you ought to be open to correction, or at least pray for you to be plucked out of this mass deception, leading to hysteria.
No, I don't admit I'm in error. I never said there was NO gravity. Why does this bother you?
 
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Would ANYONE care to take a stab at interpreting theses verses at the bottom from 2 Kings 20, Isaiah 38:8 and Joshua 10 to favor a flying spinning globe? I believe God does exactly as He says. God is not slack concerning His promises. If God stopped the sun and moon as he Promised, would He not also have to stop the heavens, or AT LEAST the earth? Since God tells us many times that the earth does not move, we can know that it is true.

2 Peter 3:1-16 KJV -
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Joshua 10:12-13 KJV -
Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2 Kings 20:9-11 KJV -
“This will be your sign from God,” said Isaiah, “that God is doing what he said he’d do: Do you want the shadow to advance ten degrees on the sundial or go back ten degrees? You choose.”


10 Hezekiah said, “It would be easy to make the sun’s shadow advance ten degrees. Make it go back ten degrees.”

11 So Isaiah called out in prayer to God, and the shadow went back ten degrees on Ahaz’s sundial.

Isaiah 38:8 KJV -
Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
 
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Have any airplanes or aircraft seen, and/or run into the dome?
Well, there is rumors that this did happen as part of operation deep freeze or operation high jump... can't remember which.

However, the operation was cut way short, they dropped everything and came right back. Admiral Byrd died a couple of years later of questionable circumstances and then his son died in another questionable event.

It was rumored that a plane or planes were flying into something invisible in the sky and Byrd and his entourage believed it to be that the Germans had invented a force field.

They came back and started firing nukes in the upper atmosphere and made a treaty so that it was difficult or impossible for others to go there and find what ever they found.

Good luck finding it on the internet though... anything like that would be buried as deep as deep.
 
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Well, there is rumors that this did happen as part of operation deep freeze or operation high jump... can't remember which.

However, the operation was cut way short, they dropped everything and came right back. Admiral Byrd died a couple of years later of questionable circumstances and then his son died in another questionable event.

It was rumored that a plane or planes were flying into something invisible in the sky and Byrd and his entourage believed it to be that the Germans had invented a force field.

They came back and started firing nukes in the upper atmosphere and made a treaty so that it was difficult or impossible for others to go there and find what ever they found.

Good luck finding it on the internet though... anything like that would be buried as deep as deep.

Fantasy. Some people will believe anything.
 
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Oh dear! Why do you do this?
Really, why?

Gravity measured as 9.8 meters per second squared is a measure of a free falling object in our earthly atmosphere, that is air. Try it, throw a small tennis ball and a larger ball of the same density at the same height, both will land on the ground at the same time.

The mass of objects in fluids is less, because you have buoyancy due to the forces required to displace the fluid, in this case water. So the forces acting on the rock is not only gravity, but also the force required for the rock to use some of its weight to counteract the opposing buoyancy forces, where the opposing force of gravity wins by eventually bringing the rock down to the bottom of the bucket.

If you compare the same rock being thrown from the same height in air as compared to water, then the forces to displace air are less than the forces required to displace water/fluids and you will see the rock displacing air falls to the ground in a shorter time. Sometimes in certain places of the world like the very salty waters in the black sea, the forces required to displace the water are greater than the opposing forces of gravity and as a result, depending on the downward forces calculated by gravity multiplied by the weight of the rock, the rock will float and its weight is neutralized in an equal and opposite forces scenario (Isaac Newton's 3rd Law).

In the youtube video you provided, the opposing displacement forces of water preventing the rock from penetrating it, is shedding half the weight of the rock, as measured in air, when the counteracting displacenent forces of air are much less than water.

The same thing applies when you measure your weight on a fluffy cushioned carpet. You get less weight shown as compared to a hard surface like a tile, because of the displacement cushioning effect of the carpet. Sports shoes cushion the impacts of gravity on our joints as compared to walking on bare feet.

So, now do you admit that you are in error. Just this situation has exposed the false premises and the false teachings of a flat earth, with no gravity. This should not be dismissed by you and you ought to be open to correction, or at least pray for you to be plucked out of this mass deception, leading to hysteria.
Gravity is a force that is necessary on a spinning globe. It is also required to keep the moon in orbit and the earth and all the other planets in orbit around the sun.

It is also necessary to keep the water from flying off of the earth, as well as us and all the other stuff not fastened down.

It is obviously observable. However, nobody knows what what actually causes it.

Now.... on a flat earth... no "force" is required.... if something is more buoyant... it goes to the bottom....down is down.... the planets are on a circuit as the bible says, as are the sun and moon... in the firmament......kinda fits with Accum's razor too...end of story.
 
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Fantasy. Some people will believe anything.
Some people will not believe anything.... unless it is believed by the masses, then majority rules... even where truth is concerned. Oh ya.. if a masonic, atheistic, Illuminati school text book says that it is so... then it must be so.

So, do lemmings run in herds to jump off cliffs to their deaths?
 
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At the point you were led to believe in your mind that they were right as you stated, you unwittingly admit to being reprogrammed, not according to the Holy Bible you used to disprove them, for that is what you stated in your last breath.
You can try using the Bible to prove a globe if you want. It's funny that you think he and I must be indoctrinated for believing what God says plainly and clearly. Only one of many aspects of God's word about the earth and "universe" is the sun stopping. Did you take a gander at post #519 ? Answer that also. After you do, go ahead and interpret these 3 books of the Bible in favor of a flying spinning globe while the entire "universe you believe in" is expanding at millions of miles per hour.

God stops the sun and moon for about a whole day, but not the earth? Nor did God stop anything else? Remember your globe is flying and rotating through endless space along with everything else in the mega massive heaven created on Day one. Read Genesis chapter one tonight and break that down for us. There are over 60 scriptures of the sun moving and ZERO of the earth moving. Again, that's only the tip of the Biblical iceberg. Maybe that's why all you can post are condemning and warnings to those that consider this possible. In my opinion, you're discouraging people from understanding scripture, how does that feel? Are we not to search the scriptures and study to shew ourselves approved? Can we not discuss the word of God? Some act as though this topic is worse than pro-abortion, gay marriage, inappropriate contentography and occultism or false teachings.

I almost forgot, when you read Genesis chapter 1 tonight, do you think you'll picture in your mind how God created a globe or that He created only the heaven first, 14.5 billion years ago and since the earth is only 4.5 billion years old, it means God waited 10 billion earth years and THEN created the earth? Since 1000 years in the earth is a day to the Lord, how many days in heaven did it take God if you calculate that? Those are your facts according to the experts of the world that you might love and trust and hold faith in. Don't forget to look at post 519 and read it. Those are your numbers.

Reconcile these next scriptures for a globe please.

Joshua 10:12-13 KJV -
Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2 Kings 20:8-11 KJV -
And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the Lordwill heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the Lord the third day?

9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the Lord, that the Lordwill do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?

10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.

11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Isaiah 38:8 KJV -
Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
 
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Isaiah 5:20 KJV - Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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Fantasy. Some people will believe anything.
Look at post # 519 and see what you believe. You put your trust and faith in those numbers and the men who created them.

Romans 1:18-23 KJV -
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;


19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
 
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Job 38:29-36 KJV -
Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?


30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
 
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It is obviously observable, I like that and so.....

Case closed, right?
Oh, I guess you don't read scripture? But you're in a Christian Biblical thread. As the OP says, science, mathematics, technology, conspiracy and related content can go to my Conspiracy thread for that. I'd like this thread to be about scripture, the Bible and Christian related messages or videos, warnings and interpretations. Thanks.
 
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Now.... on a flat earth... no "force" is required.... if something is more buoyant... it goes to the bottom....down is down.... the planets are on a circuit as the bible says, as are the sun and moon... in the firmament......kinda fits with Accum's razor too...end of story.

Up is up and down is down in space, has nothing to do with buoyancy, because space is a vacuum. Why are heavenly bodies positioned the way they are, is because of the gravitational influences, within the electrical universe we live in. Anything that has an atom, has a valanced electron and the electron is charged. So every thing charged will have either a push or pull effect.

If two electrical wires have currents going through them in the same directions, the wires electromagnetic influence will pull them towards each other. If the current is in the opposite direction, then the wires push away from each other. This is the push pull effect within an electrical universe.

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On the other hand gravity is what bends matter towards it, including light. Electrical attraction can be neutralized, but gravitational force has no mass and acts like a sink/pot hole in the FABRIC of time and space. That is why when God stretched out the heavens, he mapped out points on a 3D space, where he indented it to create relative time at different points, much like intricate mechanics of a mechanical watch.

Take for example a large paper, then imagine funnel like indentation at certain mapped points on the paper. Now when a little marble simulating a satellite is directed towards the indented sink/pot hole, then depending on its trajectory and speed, it either will be trapped in the indented gravitational funnel, after spiraling towards the centre or it will be sling shot at a greater speed, depending on angel of exit relative to th angel of entry. Basic math.

Gravity is a supernatural force that acts like a dip in the fabric of time and space and earth itself is sitting in that dip. So gravity is not generated by earth, but is a funnel like sink hole in the fabric of space and this sink hole is what determines relative time.

Here is a few images that highlight that gravity is a pot hole in the fabric of time and space.

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EUF: Hall of Mirrors Moon Landing and Mars Hoax Proven
Amazing never before seen details, pictures and footage from the moon hoax. If you love the globe and "deep space" don't watch. Your hopes and dreams of travelling the stars someday for our great grandchildren will be crushed. I don't recommend globe believers or "outer space" fans watch this.

2 Hours of footage and image - I think the video maker believes in a globe
 
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Up is up and down is down in space has nothing to do with buoyancy, because space is a vacuum. Why are heavenly bodies positioned the way they are, is because of the gravitational influence, within the electrical universe we live in. Anything that has an atom, has a valanced electron and the electron is charged. So every thing charged will have either a push or pull effect.

If two electrical wires have currents going through them in the same directions, the wires electromagnetic influence will pull them towards each other. If the current is in the opposite direction, then the wires push away from each other. This is the push pull effect within an electrical universe.

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On the other hand gravity is what bends matter towards it, including light. Electrical attraction can be neutralized, but gravitational force has no mass and acts like a sink hole in time and space. That is why when God stretched out the heavens, he mapped out points on a 3D space, where he indented it to create relative time at different points, much like intricate mechanics of a mechanical watch.

Take for example a large paper, then imagine funel like indentation at certain mapped points on the paper. Now when a little marble stimulating a satellites is directed towards the indented sink hole, then depending on its trajectory and speed, it either will be trapped in the indented funel after spiraling towards the centre or it will be sling shot at a greater speed, depending on angel of exit relative to angel of entry. Basic math.

Gravity is a supernatural force that acts like a dip in time and space and earth itself is sitting in that dip. So gravity is not generated by earth, but is a funel like sink hole in space and this sink hole is what determines relative time.

Here is a few images that highlight that gravity is a pot hole in the fabric of time and space.

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That looks like kooky stuff.
 
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Gravity is a sink/pot hole in the fabric of space and time and this is where God declares.....

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. (Isaiah 45:12)

The wording is the fingers of God have indented the Fabric of time and space, so that none fall away from their positional mapping.

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. (Isaiah 40:26)

Each heavenly body is sitting in its own pot hole of space time gravitational mapping, as shown below, in the photos attached.

This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself, (Isaiah 44:24)

Spreading out the earth gives it its relative time, within its fabric of space time sink/pot hole.

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The Only 2 "isms" on FLAT EARTH... ('Dogmatism'? or the aroma of death?)
Perfect timing as God is working in my life, I keep getting affirmations that I'm doing the right thing. This is a great sermon from Will at my favorite Youtube channel called "the truth is stranger than fiction". It fits perfectly with what is transpiring in this thread since it started and perhaps around the flat earth. He speaks of Pantheism and unbelievers and Christians using scripture to justify accusatory and judgmental insinuations.

 
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