Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament
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Ok, perhaps I'm wrong about that but I'll show you a short vid that shows what I'm talking about. The short video will be at the bottom.
EVERYONE : Please move your science and technology questions and content to the Conspiracy thread about flat earth. This thread is Biblical and Christian related content. Thanks to all !!!
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Let me explain. The needle is a straight piece of metal. The one end points to the North pole, always will. The other end of the needle points in the opposite direction. It's just that, on a globe, the south is always opposite the north pole. On a flat earth it will just point 180 degrees to the north pole.
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They ARE learning the truth. Now youare too.
I've always known that the Earth was a sphere, just like all the other planets. Yet my faith in Christ as my Savior remains, even though I have never seen Him. Now, if there are people who come to faith in Christ based on the idea that the Earth is flat, what will happen to their faith in Christ when they discover that it's a sphere?
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Artificial Horizon systems use gyroscopes that normalize according to gravitational pull. In other words, Down is always Down (and in the case of planes, Down is towards the Earth's Center of Mass.)
Now, if you used a non-normalizing three-axis gyro, and took a REALLY long flight, yeah, that thing would no longer be useful for navigating.
Now, if you used a non-normalizing three-axis gyro, and took a REALLY long flight, yeah, that thing would no longer be useful for navigating.
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That's the point. Thomas had to see the wounds in Christ before whewould believe. We believe without seeing, and blessed. Scripture. I'm not trying to be rude but I don't need evidence that I'm on a flying spinning ball right now. I was 100% positive I was on a ball for nearly 50 years. I'm taking a short time in my life to research this and spread the word. The good outweighs the bad IMO. I see it in my own life.
If an unbeliever believes and then finds out IT IS a globe, they would face the choice we always have. God does not force folks to believe. On the other hand, many people, myself included, believe in Once Saved Always Saved OSAS. Once you believe Christ was crucified, buried and Resurrected you are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise Ephesians 1:11-14 KJV - So if they lost faith they may still be saved.
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UH, yes. It was "invented" by Erastothenes some 2200 years or more ago. Sorry, but EVERYBODY knew the earth was FLAT until he used a stick and shadows. Look it up but don't look for the globe you love, look at the wrong things and people Copernicus was aligned with. A little research goes a long way, but if you ONLY LOOK FOR GLOBE PROOF, that's all you'll find. You're speaking to somebody now that will not believe the globe "proof" you present. I'm not here doing this to get back on the "ball"
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If an unbeliever believes based on the idea that the earth is flat and then discovers it is not, then the basis of his belief has been removed.
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How so? They would be back on the globe like everybody else again if flat earth was proven wrong. Read all my posts when you can before responding with the same line of questioning. I'm responding to many people. It's call OSAS and also the choice to believe or NOT, like always.
The BASIS for belief is Jesus Christ. That never changes, flat or globe. You're conflating and projecting without hearing what I'm saying.
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My apologies. It turns out that the person I was responding to about people believing in Christ wasn't you. It was JacksBratt (post #301).
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LOL, half the time (or more) I can't keep track of who I'm talking to because I'm not used to this forum yet. I just cam back after a couple years or more. It may have been my fault to begin with, posting to you when you were talking to somebody else, not me. I'm sorry, I'm trying to keep up. Perfect questions you're asking.
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LOL, half the time (or more) I can't keep track of who I'm talking to because I'm not used to this forum yet. I just cam back after a couple years or more. It may have been my fault to begin with, posting to you when you were talking to somebody else, not me. I'm sorry, I'm trying to keep up. Perfect questions you're asking.
It's ok. I reply to people all the time in order to get in on a discussion. Then I forgot who said what along the way.
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We see that God says the sun has a circuit as well, but the earth does not. The SUN hastens to the place where he arose, the earth doesn't move. Explorers recorded great mysteries in the waters at the very North Pole. They said things like the waters were breathing, there were 4 rivers and water was naturally pumping in and back out somewhere else nearby. Whirlpools and mysterious water phenomena have been recorded there for centuries. I've already shown how flat earth can have Four Corners mentioned in scripture, a globe cannot. Ill show it again if anyone is interested.
Ecclesiastes 1:1-11 KJV -
The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Ecclesiastes 1:1-11 KJV -
The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
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Any claim to associate the existence of God based on a flat earth CIA/Mossad run Psychological Operations, is an attack on God and Christianity.
This flat earth coffee table nonsense must be destroyed, by highlighting directional electromagnetic distributed patterns as evidence for shape and direction of spin.
The flat earth nonsense has to be dismissed as an argument in the first place, so to not give heed to seducing spirits who would make astray the young in faith.
Flat earth lie must be exposed as a demonic attack on the Church from without and within.
From thence forth, I have decided to ignore the Original Poster and I am available to discuss with others the scientific evidence from the distributed electromagnetic patterns, which highlight the spherical shape and direction of spin for the planet we live in.
Don't let anyone decieve you, because this Psychological Operation has run its course and what we have is a demonstrated and deliberate exercise to decieve the masses.
This flat earth coffee table nonsense must be destroyed, by highlighting directional electromagnetic distributed patterns as evidence for shape and direction of spin.
The flat earth nonsense has to be dismissed as an argument in the first place, so to not give heed to seducing spirits who would make astray the young in faith.
Flat earth lie must be exposed as a demonic attack on the Church from without and within.
From thence forth, I have decided to ignore the Original Poster and I am available to discuss with others the scientific evidence from the distributed electromagnetic patterns, which highlight the spherical shape and direction of spin for the planet we live in.
Don't let anyone decieve you, because this Psychological Operation has run its course and what we have is a demonstrated and deliberate exercise to decieve the masses.
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So how did God stop the sun and moon for a whole day without stopping earth from spinning and flying OR the rest of the expanding 14.5 BILLION year old endless universe. Dark matter? Dark energy? Gravity? CGI? He didn't think we needed to know? Electromagnetism? OR did God do exactly what He tells us. You decide.
Joshua 10:12-14 KJV -
Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lordhearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.
Isaiah 38:6-8 KJV -
And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;
8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
Joshua 10:12-14 KJV -
Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lordhearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.
Isaiah 38:6-8 KJV -
And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;
8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
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Genesis 1:1-19 KJV -
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
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