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BABerean2 said in post #58:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:8 refers figuratively to the spiritual state of the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem, who reject the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus Christ, and want to remain in bondage to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:24-26, Galatians 5:1,4), even though God abolished it on Jesus' Cross (Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).

Revelation 11:8 is not contradicting that the city of Jerusalem in itself will be the holy city which will be trampled down by the Gentiles during the literal 42-month worldwide reign of the future Antichrist (Revelation 11:2b, Luke 21:24b, Revelation 13:4-10).

Also, Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be a third Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This third temple will coexist with the Church, like the second temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The third temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews, after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the future Antichrist could attack and defeat them, and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to (mistakenly) perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least seven years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque in order to keep the temple from being "defiled".

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the Second Coming, there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the third temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left upon another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a fourth temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the Church during the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the second temple served for the Church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).
 
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PesachPup said in post #59:

It is not about four "kingdoms", but 4 "kings" . . .

Daniel 7:23 shows that the four "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are four "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the seven "kings" are seven empires, represented by the seven heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3. It is the ten horns of Revelation's beast which represent ten individual-human kings, who "have received no kingdom as yet" (Revelation 17:12), and who will receive power as kings only when the future Antichrist, the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast", does (Revelation 17:12b).

Also, just as in Daniel 7:17, the four "kings" were four kingdoms/empires, the Roman empire being the fourth (Daniel 7:23); and just as the two horns in Daniel 8:3 which Alexander the Great broke in Daniel 8:7 were the two kingdoms of the Medes and Persians (the Medo-Persian empire) (Cyrus and Darius had already been dead for about 200 and 150 years, respectively, by the time of Alexander's conquest); and just as the four horns in Daniel 8:8 were four kingdoms (Daniel 8:22); so in Daniel 7:24, the ten horns/"kings" can be ten major kingdoms/nations which exist today, and which arose into prominence from the former territory of the Roman empire. "And another shall rise after them" (Daniel 7:24) can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the future Antichrist could arise, and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

PesachPup said in post #59:

The dominion of the 4th king is described in Rev 13 comprising of the dominions of the first 3 kings.

The seven heads of Revelation's "beast" in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent seven empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first five had fallen by the time of the apostle John in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The sixth (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The seventh (possibly Islam) had not come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, eighth head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of five empires which had fallen by the time of the apostle John (Revelation 17:8,10-11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon destroyed at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the Second Coming, when the world is brought into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist, during the future Antichrist's literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system which Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple building in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.
 
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Revelation 11:8 refers figuratively to the spiritual state of the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem, who reject the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus Christ,
Why would John make it difficult to say what he wanted to say if he really meant that was as per your conclusion ?
 
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Daniel 7:23 shows that the four "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are four "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the seven "kings" are seven empires, represented by the seven heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3. It is the ten horns of Revelation's beast which represent ten individual-human kings, who "have received no kingdom as yet" (Revelation 17:12), and who will receive power as kings only when the future Antichrist, the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast", does (Revelation 17:12b).

Also, just as in Daniel 7:17, the four "kings" were four kingdoms/empires, the Roman empire being the fourth (Daniel 7:23); and just as the two horns in Daniel 8:3 which Alexander the Great broke in Daniel 8:7 were the two kingdoms of the Medes and Persians (the Medo-Persian empire) (Cyrus and Darius had already been dead for about 200 and 150 years, respectively, by the time of Alexander's conquest); and just as the four horns in Daniel 8:8 were four kingdoms (Daniel 8:22); so in Daniel 7:24, the ten horns/"kings" can be ten major kingdoms/nations which exist today, and which arose into prominence from the former territory of the Roman empire. "And another shall rise after them" (Daniel 7:24) can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the future Antichrist could arise, and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).



The seven heads of Revelation's "beast" in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent seven empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first five had fallen by the time of the apostle John in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The sixth (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The seventh (possibly Islam) had not come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, eighth head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of five empires which had fallen by the time of the apostle John (Revelation 17:8,10-11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon destroyed at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the Second Coming, when the world is brought into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist, during the future Antichrist's literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system which Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple building in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.
I agree with most of what you say. But it is about 4 kings. You can't be a king without a kingdom, but this is about 4 kings that arise out of the arah, the ground of the earth.

*[[Dan 7:12]] KJV* As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

You need to read 2 Esdras 12,13 to see the full development of these first 3 kings. Nebuchadnezzar is definitely the lion. Ezekiel 29-31 shows his role in judgment upon the king of Tyre and the pharaoh of Egypt, IN THE LAST DAYS.

*[[Eze 30:3]] KJV* For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

*[[Eze 30:10]] KJV* Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon.
*[[Eze 29:18]] KJV* Son of man, Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon caused his army to serve a great service against Tyrus: every head was made bald, and every shoulder was peeled: yet had he no wages, nor his army, for Tyrus, for the service that he had served against it:
*[[Eze 29:19]] KJV* Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army.

He will not sit in the temple at Jerusalem. That will be destroyed at the time of the great tribulation. In fact, that temple itself, IS THE ABOMINATION that causes desolation. Shortly after the LORD defends Jerusalem (see Isa 31), and the Assyrian flees to his stronghold to the south, Mecca, (chief prince of Meschech), Jerusalem shall become the city of the great king, Jesus. And nothing unclean or that defiles shall enter her again.
*[[Zec 2:5]] KJV* For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

As far as sitting in the temple (at Babylon! ), he will indeed sit in that temple showing to himself that he is God:

*[[Eze 44:2]] KJV* Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.
[IT IS FOR THE PRINCE]

*[[2Th 2:4]] KJV* Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[He is not showing the world, but showing himself that he is God]

*[[Eze 44:3]] KJV* It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

The "8th" king of Rev 17, is the failed 8th attempt to bring Israel back into idolatry and is culminated when he launches his attack from Tyre, the plains of Megiddo, towards Jerusalem at Armageddon. It will be there that the houses of Judah and Israel will be forever reunited as the kingdom restored to Israel, as per the book of Hosea.
*[[Hos 1:5]] KJV* And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel.

*[[Hos 1:10]] KJV* Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
*[[Hos 1:11]] KJV* Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

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Further thoughts:
According to Ezekiel 10 & 11, the Shekinah glory departs and goes to a mountain to the east.
*[[Eze 11:23]] KJV* And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

According to the book of Enoch, there are 3 important "mountains" in the last days. One, at Jerusalem. A higher one, found to the east, and a third one, back to the west. The first two are supplied with water, while the third one is not.

*[[Zec 14:8]] KJV* And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Jerusalem and Babylon are the mountains receiving the waters of life. Tyre will be the third that does not.
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The word "Shekinah" is not found in the Bible.

Its source is occultic.

It refers to the so-called "feminine" aspect of God.



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So, i made a mistake to call it Shekinah. Thank you. But it still is when the children of Israel see the glory depart... in the future.
*[[Eze 10:19]] KJV* And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and EVERY ONE STOOD at the door of the EAST GATE of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

IT is the same thing referred to here:

*[[Mat 24:30]] KJV* And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
AND HERE:

*[[Rev 1:7]] KJV* Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds[tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

AND HERE:

*[[2Th 2:8]] KJV* And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the BRIGHTNESS of his COMING:

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So, i made a mistake to call it Shekinah. Thank you. But it still is when the children of Israel see the glory depart... in the future.
*[[Eze 10:19]] KJV* And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and EVERY ONE STOOD at the door of the EAST GATE of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

IT is the same thing referred to here:

*[[Mat 24:30]] KJV* And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
AND HERE:

*[[Rev 1:7]] KJV* Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds[tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

AND HERE:

*[[2Th 2:8]] KJV* And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the BRIGHTNESS of his COMING:

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You did not make a "mistake".
You were parroting what others have said.
Some of the others things you are promoting have come from the same un-Biblical sources.


Nobody is going to be saved at His Second Coming, based on the passage below.

Part of the "brightness" of His coming is flaming fire.


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Some will be wailing because they realize their fate for rejecting the Son of God.

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Scriptures please to defend your claim of everybody perishing.
Amil likes to refer to Matt 24 and "the days of Noah" when Jesus comes in judgment. But, sorry, only refers to half of the people being "taken" at that time. That can only refer to either the rapture, 2nd coming, and/ or the coming of the new heavens. Since amil does not believe in a rapture, surely they don't think that half of the world is following Christ? I don't think so. So then, it only means half of the people shall perish at that time. Which, i agree to that interpretation. Which means half survives or amil is amiss.

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If the return of Jesus is in flaming fire , [and it is,] ushers in the new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness, which means that he then surrenders the kingdom back to God the Father,

*[[1Co 15:24]] KJV* Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Which means that he has to be reigning now from earthly Jerusalem. This brings a whole sale violation of his reigning on the throne of David.

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Which means that he has to be reigning now from earthly Jerusalem. This brings a whole sale violation of his reigning on the throne of David.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. (He is now seated on a throne at the Father's right hand.)

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, (He is already seated, beside of His Father.)

Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter said that Christ was already both Ruler (Lord) and Messiah (Christ).


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Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. (He is now seated on a throne at the Father's right hand.)

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, (He is already seated, beside of His Father.)

Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter said that Christ was already both Ruler (Lord) and Messiah (Christ).


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Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. (He is now seated on a throne at the Father's right hand.)

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, (He is already seated, beside of His Father.)

Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter said that Christ was already both Ruler (Lord) and Messiah (Christ).


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As you quoted:

*[[Act 2:34]] KJV* For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD [GOD]said unto my Lord [JESUS], Sit thou on my right hand,

Jesus is sitting at the fathers FATHERS right hand, but that is not the throne of David. Again, David's throne is on the earthly city of Jerusalem, in the land of Israel. Jesus is not currently reigning over the kingdom of Israel at this time:


*[[Act 1:6]] KJV* When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?


*[[Mat 21:43]] KJV* Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

What is the fruits of the kingdom?
Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. Righteousness does not reign in Jerusalem or the children of Israel, the children of the kingdom, the earthly kingdom of Israel. Jesus will remain in heaven until the times of restitution of all things pertaining to the kingdom:

*[[Act 3:21]] KJV* Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

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*[[Mat 21:43]] KJV* Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

What is the fruits of the kingdom?
Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. Righteousness does not reign in Jerusalem or the children of Israel, the children of the kingdom, the earthly kingdom of Israel. Jesus will remain in heaven until the times of restitution of all things pertaining to the kingdom:

The "holy" nation that brings forth fruit is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10, according to the words of Peter.

The restitution of all things includes the removal of the curse, produced by Adam's sin in the garden.


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The "holy" nation that brings forth fruit is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10, according to the words of Peter.

The restitution of all things includes the removal of the curse, produced by Adam's sin in the garden.


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Absolutely. What manner of persons ought we to be seeing that we look for a new heavens and new earth, WHEREIN DWELLS RIGHTEOUSNESS. I am still looking. How about you?
And yes, the Father will remain in heaven until the son restores all things, righteousness included. Its not Jesus who is to remain in heaven, but the Father. Jesus is the one who is God's 4 star general, who will do the restoring of all things. Where is God coming to? Back to earth. God's mercy reigns now in all men. It will be the return of Christ, in flaming fire, that will take vengeance on wicked men. Allowing wicked men to continue to do so, does not constitute the reign of the SON of man.
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It will be the return of Christ, in flaming fire, that will take vengeance on wicked men. Allowing wicked men to continue to do so, does not constitute the reign of the SON of man.

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, that flaming fire is going to burn up this rotten, sin-cursed world and bring in the New Heavens and New Earth.

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Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, that flaming fire is going to burn up this rotten, sin-cursed world and bring in the New Heavens and New Earth.

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Matthew, Mark & Luke all refer to heaven and earth passing away accompanying the return of Jesus.
*[[Mat 24:35]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
*[[Mat 24:36]] KJV* But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
*[[Mat 24:37]] KJV* But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
*[[Mar 13:31]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
*[[Mar 13:32]] KJV* But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Show me where it says that everyone dies when he comes. I only see 1 taken, 1 left.
Not hard to do the math there.
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Matthew, Mark & Luke all refer to heaven and earth passing away accompanying the return of Jesus.
*[[Mat 24:35]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
*[[Mat 24:36]] KJV* But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
*[[Mat 24:37]] KJV* But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
*[[Mar 13:31]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
*[[Mar 13:32]] KJV* But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Show me where it says that everyone dies when he comes. I only see 1 taken, 1 left.
Not hard to do the math there.
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Based on the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew chapter 13, who are taken first and burned in the fire, and who are left behind to be gathered into the barn?

Here is a hint... Who were "taken" in the flood of Noah, from Matthew chapter 24?

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Based on the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew chapter 13, who are taken first and burned in the fire, and who are left behind to be gathered into the barn?

Here is a hint... Who were "taken" in the flood of Noah, from Matthew chapter 24?

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I am not a pretrib. I have no problems with being here when the fire comes. The tares are placed in the furnace of fire that Jesus spoke about.
*[[Isa 31:9]] KJV* And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.
*[[Eze 22:20]] KJV* As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.

*[[Eze 22:22]] KJV* As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.

The furnace of fire is in Jerusalem. Granted, the whole world gets caught up to what goes on. It says that Jerusalem well become a cup of trembling to all nations. The fire is directed at Jerusalem and the children of Israel. Not the world. The fire is going to purge Israel of her sin. Not send the whole world, (the wicked) to the lake of fire.
God has yet to show Israel that scope of his fury. God is going to gather the worst of heathen there for her judgment. No doubt, Death & Hell are coming for a big boatload of souls during this time. Not the lake of fire.

*[[Rev 6:8]] KJV* And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was DEATH, and HELL followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

*[[Eze 24:9]] KJV* Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the bloody city! I will even make the pile for fire great.
*[[Eze 24:10]] KJV* Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned.
*[[Eze 24:11]] KJV* Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed.

The flaming fires will be aimed directly at Jerusalem. Not the world.
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PesachPup said in post #69:

Scriptures please to defend your claim of everybody perishing.
Amil likes to refer to Matt 24 and "the days of Noah" when Jesus comes in judgment. But, sorry, only refers to half of the people being "taken" at that time.

That's right.

Luke 17:26-30 and Matthew 24:37-39 do not mean that all non-Christians will be killed by Jesus Christ at His future, Second Coming. For Luke 17:34-36 and Matthew 24:40-41 go on to show that some non-Christians will be left alive at that time (Zechariah 14:16-19). So in Luke 17:26-30 and Matthew 24:37-39, the point of the comparison is not that all non-Christians will be killed by Jesus at His Second Coming, but that none of them will be expecting to be killed, but will be eating and drinking without worry right up to the day of the Second Coming.

Those "left" where they are at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Luke 17:34-36, Matthew 24:40-41) will include non-Christians who will be forced to come up annually to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the future Millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19). These non-Christians will have to be ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus and the physically resurrected Church during the Millennium (Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6, Psalms 2, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 72:8-11). And their descendants will be deceived by Satan after the Millennium into committing the Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will be like "the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37) and "the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28,30) in that just as Noah went into the ark before the temporal (not the eternal) judgment of the Flood from God, and Lot went out from Sodom before its temporal (not its eternal) judgment (cf. Ezekiel 16:53-56) from God, so the Church will be raptured into the sky at the Second Coming (Matthew 24:30-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Revelation 19:7), before Jesus Himself begins the Second-Coming, temporal (not the eternal) divine judgment of non-Christians alive at that time (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3, Luke 17:26-30, Matthew 24:37-39).

Regarding the final, divine judgment of non-Christians, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, only the Church will be physically resurrected and finally-judged (1 Corinthians 15:21-23, Revelation 20:5; Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; Matthew 25:19-30; 2 Corinthians 5:10, Luke 12:45-48). The obedient part of the Church, including those in the Church who had been beheaded by the future Antichrist, will then reign on the earth with Jesus for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21). Only sometime after the 1,000 years and the subsequent Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39) will the rest of the dead (of all times) be physically resurrected (Revelation 20:5) and finally-judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

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PesachPup said in post #70:

If the return of Jesus is in flaming fire , [and it is,] ushers in the new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness, which means that he then surrenders the kingdom back to God the Father,

*[[1Co 15:24]] KJV* Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Which means that he has to be reigning now from earthly Jerusalem. This brings a whole sale violation of his reigning on the throne of David.

That's right.

For in 1 Corinthians 15:24, the "end" will be at the end of all of the future, never-fulfilled events of Revelation 19:7 to 20:15.

1 Corinthians 15:23-28 does not mean that Jesus Christ will deliver the Kingdom to God the Father immediately at Jesus' future, Second Coming, only that Jesus will do that sometime subsequent to His Second Coming. For right after Jesus' Second Coming, "he must reign" (1 Corinthians 15:25) on the earth with the physically resurrected Church for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). Then He must defeat the Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39). Then He must physically resurrect and judge non-Christians of all times, at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). Only then will He have "put all enemies under his feet" (1 Corinthians 15:25), including the first-death itself (1 Corinthians 15:26), which will be cast into the lake of fire (the second death) at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:14). Only after that will Jesus deliver up the Kingdom to God the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24). Then a New Heaven (a new first heaven/sky/atmosphere) and a New Earth (a new surface for the earth) will be created. And God the Father will descend from heaven to the New Earth in the literal city of New Jerusalem, the Father's house (John 14:2), to live with the Church on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-4).
 
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BABerean2 said in post #77:

Based on the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew chapter 13, who are taken first and burned in the fire, and who are left behind to be gathered into the barn?

Regarding the parable of the wheat and the tares (Matthew 13:24-30,36-43), in Matthew 13:38 the good seed are the elect, and the tares are the nonelect, the human children of Satan, who cannot ever believe in Jesus Christ (John 8:42-47). Matthew 13:40-42 will not (as is sometimes claimed) occur at Jesus' future, Second Coming, but will occur at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-14), after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-10), when non-Christians of all times will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). In Matthew 13:43, the Kingdom of God the Father is after the Great White Throne Judgment, when a New Earth (a new surface of the earth) will be created and God the Father will descend from heaven in His literal city of New Jerusalem to live with the Church on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-3).
 
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