The role of demons in the Florida high school shooting

Shempster · Feb 20, 2018

Mark Corbett said:
There are so many things to think and pray about after a tragedy like this. The topic I'm bringing up here I do not view as the first or necessarily even most important issue related to this shooting. Certainly things like praying for the families of victims and healing of the injured and emotional healing for all who were there is more important.

But this issue is also important. It has been reported in the news that the shooter claimed to hear voices in his head and some have identified these voices as being demonic.

This raises some discussion topics.

What do you think about this?
How might demons gain such influence in a person's life?
Can Christians be oppressed and influenced by demons?
What can we do about it?

You have hit the nail on the head, friend!
Unfortunately the modern church does not even admit there is such a thing exists.
People do not understand that many of their own thoughts are not their own. Demons are real and they do have the ability to put thoughts in our minds. IMO this is the cause of all mental issues.
There is no biological test for any "chemical imbalances" so even science cannot explain it.You are on the right track.
I am not saying chemical treatment is worthless. Those drugs can and do control mental illness. If you are being treated, don't stop it...just look deeper into the spiritual aspect on your journey to healing.

Kit Sigmon · Feb 21, 2018

Mark Corbett said:
There are so many things to think and pray about after a tragedy like this. The topic I'm bringing up here I do not view as the first or necessarily even most important issue related to this shooting. Certainly things like praying for the families of victims and healing of the injured and emotional healing for all who were there is more important.

But this issue is also important. It has been reported in the news that the shooter claimed to hear voices in his head and some have identified these voices as being demonic.

This raises some discussion topics.

What do you think about this?
How might demons gain such influence in a person's life?
Can Christians be oppressed and influenced by demons?
What can we do about it?

I do believe Nick Cruz and his brother be struggling with mental illness and behavior problems and that their much older, adoptive well to do parents over indulged Nick and his brother.

You don't have the police coming to your home like 39 times since 2010 for no good reason...Nick was adopted by the Cruzs' when he was two.

From early childhood Nick had tortured animals to death and said that he enjoyed doing that...he even trained his dogs to go after the neighbors pets.
There were multiple reports filed about him and his brother vandalizing the neighborhood and then nothing being done 'cause his adopted parents use they money and influence to make things go away.

Nick was legally allowed to buy a AR-15 and he spent much time learning to become a proficient shooter.
He was counseled many times over the years and was suppose to be in treatment program but he stopped going over a year ago.

His mom died towards the end of 2017 and it seems the family he was living with were clueless about Nick having any sort of behavioral problems or mental illness?
All the while Nick be doing things offline and online, he made all sorts of posts on his social media accounts that the people he was living with had no idea he was posting such things?
They never heard any bad talk about Nick or his brother?
Schoolmates all talked about those bad things, some reported his bragging about he was going to be a school shooter/he was going to kill certain types of people like immigrants, minorities/ jews/religious people.
The thing is, according to all the sources I have been reading since the time of the shooting of the 17...all of them be the very ones Cruz say he was going to kill!
I've gleaned from numerous news sources and the victims obituaries about the 17 victims... 5 of them are jewish, others ranged from catholic/christian and to one being a latter day saint...many of them had tried to shield or prevent others from being hit by bullets...and a couple
of them be immigrants and minorities.

Many factors be at work here... sin? yes! over indulgence, inconsistent mental health treatment, clueless family who did zero background checks on Cruz's school
activities, unmonitored online accounts etc.
People made reports about Nick and his brother and those reports were cast aside over and over again...no doubt due to his influential monied adoptive parents who saw to it that the boys had every advantage they could afford them.
All of that left them all open for evil to influence them to continue doing as they
liked.
Where I am from, senior citizen aged people weren't allowed to adopt such young children...but now it seems money can get you whatever you want in this world...but it still can't buy your way into heaven.

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Demons originate in man. They are not "fallen angelic beings." They are human attitudes. And a fake Christian (not saying you are) can adjust or "cast out" someone's negative, or evil attitude and think as Christian they actually cast out an angel from a person. Angels do not possess humans.

Andrew, thanks for sharing.

I don't think there is good biblical support for your idea that demon's originate in many and are human attitudes. How could "human attitudes" enter a herd of pigs and make them charge down a cliff and drown?

NIV Mark 5:13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

On the other hand, the Bible does state that Satan has angelic followers, and it makes sense that these are demons:

NIV Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

GUANO said:
Still defining spirits as ghosts and goblins, so superstitious...

Spirits are many things, but living, conscious entities that can take over someone's body is not one of them.

If believing what the Bible teaches about demons and evil spirits makes one superstitious, than I'm guilty!

Do you believe the Bible is true?

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

Francis Drake said:
In the NT, your body is likened to the God's temple of Jerusalem. Therefore it is entirely sensible to draw a comparison as to How the Spirit of God reacts to the demonic in his temple.

Notwithstanding the above, my experience backs this up as I have been casting evil spirits out of Christians for the last 40 years, and in doing so, have seen many lives transformed.
Jesus commanded us to do it, so I got on and did it.

Keep up the good work, brother. May the Lord strengthen and protect you and continue to use you.

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

Francis Drake said:
The rebellious Israelites had been filling the temple with idols and false gods long before the Spirit of God finally removed himself from the Holy place of the temple.

ie. To a degree they cohabited.
Likewise the Spirit of God will cohabit when there are still demons dwelling within believers.
Its part of our freewill, if we want to remain in bondage, then God will allow that..

I agree. I think you put it very well, "to a degree".

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

2Timothy2:15 said:
What if he is telling the truth about that. He is going to jail anyhow so the point is moot. But demons are at work today, so much so they convinced people and even Christians they don't even exist.

Good point. Here's a song by Keith Green which makes the same point. The song is sung from the point of view of the devil. The style is dated, but I still love it:

Mark Corbett · Feb 23, 2018

cfdude said:
"The role of demons in the Florida high school shooting" to many, suggests a dichotomy of blame for those who want to falsely argue. The truth is actually the opposite. Evil people obey evil spirits. It's not as if innocent people are some how being duped into committing evil by an evil spirit. It's an either/or fallacy to say it's either demons or the kid who did the evil. There is another option and that is that they were working together.

I agree.

Followers4christ · Feb 24, 2018

R. Hartono said:
If people possessed by demon they have no control over their action anymore, Jesus called Judas a devil because he betrayed the Messiah with his intention to make money, didnt mean Judas was possessed by demon but the demon tempted him to betray Jesus, as the devil did tempted Eve to betray God.

These are some examples of people possessed by demon, they hv no control over their action !
Matt 17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatic, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

Mark 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones

If people allow their heart to be ruled by greed/sins, it becomes an invitation for a demon to temp and make them fall into sin.

Judas was greedy at the first place so the devil gave him the idea to sell information about Jesus for money. This boy shooter had wicked hearts toward the people, and he had a big interest with guns, he then decided to "rule" the world his way. we cant always blame demon for every crimes.

You are taking away what the scripture is telling us. The Bible says in Luke 22:3 that "Satan entered Judas". When a demonic force enters and possess it's host that is a possession. Then in John 6:70-71 Jesus claimed that Judas was a devil and in Luke we read that Satan earlier entered him. So in accordance with scripture and what it means to be possessed we can safely say Judas was possessed.

Also let's not forget in Acts 16:16-18 a possessed woman made money fortune-telling and followed Paul around till Paul casted the demon out of her. Demon possession can take on many forms and to outsiders a possessed person might seem normal.

What does the Bible say about demon possession / demonic possession?

Luke 22:3-6 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. They were delighted and agreed to give him money. He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.

John 6:70-71 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

Hieronymus · Feb 24, 2018

What if there is technology with which you can put an audible 'voice of God' in someone's head from a distance?
Or maybe more subtle forms of mind control technologies using electromagnetic radiation?
What if that person is also on psychiatric drugs, like the majority of the 'killer students' and many other killers, who were known to the FBI before the event?
What if the agenda is ridding the 2nd amendment?
Forget your cognitive dissonance, but think about it.
Research it. Bill Cooper knew things about this. They killed him on his porch in front of wife and child.
We already know that child trafficking is rampant, and very expensive.
Who can afford it?
What do they do with the children? "Rituals". (the role of demons)
Do you think they care about some troubled teens or their schoolmates?
Which side is the M$M (the 'official' 'news' source) on?
Why do they hate Trump so much?

Things will become clearer in time.
But ignoring evil is condoning evil.
Don't forget we're 99% of the people.

RDKirk · Feb 24, 2018

Demons exist. I think we can see demonic activity involved in cases where a person or a group of persons maintain extremely evil actions for a long period of time in a widespread manner.

I'm convinced, for instance, that there is demonic activity--and probably a major principality, behind ISIS and its actions. I note that those men do open themselves up to spirits by praying fervently every day for the will to do their evil, and it's likely demons heed their prayers. I think demonic activity is involved in the way the evil of ISIS can move from person to person even by social media, if a person miles away can be induced by such men to believe and pray for the will and power to do evil.

I think demonic activity is possible when we see cases like the Las Vegas shooter, who appears to have lived like a two-minded person, quietly amassing armament for decades with no real clue to his evil--except not having any real emotional connection with anyone else--and no explainable motive for his evil act.

Normally "bad" people don't sustain such single-minded evil for so long, or in such a widespread manner.

ronandcarol · Feb 24, 2018

The role of demons in the Florida high school shooting!
You are right on, satan is behind all these horrible things. If a person does not stay grounded in the Word of God they are vulnerable to letting satan sneak in any area he can get in. He is the sinister minister of this world and he wants to recruit as many as he can to join him in his future pit. When America had God removed from the schools many years ago, satan jumped for joy. He is the great deceiver, and he is out to get as many shooters that he can.
ronandcarol

R. Hartono · Feb 24, 2018

Followers4christ said:
Also let's not forget in Acts 16:16-18 a possessed woman made money fortune-telling and followed Paul” (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

The woman followed Paul out of her will ! read it again it wasnt her words but the devil speaks thru her. This woman is totally possessed, she could not control herself.

Yet one of you is a devil!

Judas was obviously A MAN but why Jesus said He was a devil ? because Judas consciously betrayed Jesus for money, he went to the Sanhedrin and negotiate money, a man possessed by devil, as i hv shown you many times, they dont hv control over their bodies.

Judas was 100 % sober with clear conscience when the devil gave him the idea to sell Jesus for money. the devil didnt necessarily possess him, as the same thing happened to Eve who was "possessed" by the devil's idea to eat the forbidden fruit, Eve was not possessed at all.

See those spiritual medium practices in youtube

Papa DSNM · Feb 27, 2018

Mark Corbett said:
There are so many things to think and pray about after a tragedy like this. The topic I'm bringing up here I do not view as the first or necessarily even most important issue related to this shooting. Certainly things like praying for the families of victims and healing of the injured and emotional healing for all who were there is more important.

But this issue is also important. It has been reported in the news that the shooter claimed to hear voices in his head and some have identified these voices as being demonic.

This raises some discussion topics.

What do you think about this?
How might demons gain such influence in a person's life?
Can Christians be oppressed and influenced by demons?
What can we do about it?

Papa DSNM · Feb 27, 2018

Certainly many of the responses here are valid. A person may have mental issues and influence of the demons may be a factor. As has been said, throughout the scriptures active influence of wicked spirits has been cited. We must acknowledge that demons are among us as was stated in Revelation 12:9 - "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth, he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." So they certainly are among us and active. The only way to be completely protected from their influence is a close relationship with God. He has the power through his spirit to protect his people from demon influence. Without His protection well...we see the results of what people under demonic influence can and will do, until when soon Almighty God through his Son, will abyss Satan and the demons for the 1,000 years.

Andrew Jeremiah · Feb 28, 2018

Mark Corbett said:
Andrew, thanks for sharing.

I don't think there is good biblical support for your idea that demon's originate in many and are human attitudes. How could "human attitudes" enter a herd of pigs and make them charge down a cliff and drown?

NIV Mark 5:13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

On the other hand, the Bible does state that Satan has angelic followers, and it makes sense that these are demons:

NIV Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Channeled.

Animals do not have morals. They have instinct. Angels do not possess humans. Impossible. God has not ordained it. We don't need any help from ol' Slewfoot.

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