The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

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Thats very informative, If Jesus could not open those seals JOHN WOULD NOT BE WRITING THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND GAVE IT TO US.

Otherwise the book of Revelation will be written like this :
The Lamb could not open those seals so John return to earth.
It seems Jesus became worthy after He rose from the dead, conquering death. Perhaps this is what was written on the outside of the scroll.

He WAS found worthy and John saw Him open the seals. When I find time, I will examine the Greek tenses on each of the seals and see if there is a difference. For the most part, John used Greek Aorist tense - a tense that shows no timing at all - for most of his verbs. I know there are a few times John used future tense verbs. For example with the two witnesses.
 
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How can the proof of 1st seals are terrible wars ? So where is the antichrist making fake peace and defeat many ?
Daniel 8:25 and by peace shall destroy many:
And antichrist will make the 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arabs which until now not yet occured.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

Wars, famines and plagues happened be4 Jesus was even birthed.
We have to keep the first seal in its context, which is chapters 4 & 5. They tell us a story and show us timing: first a time while Jesus was still on earth, up to the time Jesus ascended. As soon as He entered the throne room of heaven, He took the scroll and began opening the seals. Therefore the first seals are not a part of the end times.

And when Jesus was speaking of the future, for the parallels of the first seals, Jesus said, "the end is not yet." In other words, Jesus was speaking of church age events, not end time events. He did not get to the end times until He spoke of the abomination.

I know many say the first seal is the antichrist. They are mistaken.
 
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We have to keep the first seal in its context, which is chapters 4 & 5. They tell us a story and show us timing: first a time while Jesus was still on earth, up to the time Jesus ascended. As soon as He entered the throne room of heaven, He took the scroll and began opening the seals.
Good description.

Therefore the first seals are not a part of the end times.
The 6 TH Seal is the one will set the scene...

And when Jesus was speaking of the future, for the parallels of the first seals, Jesus said, "the end is not yet." In other words, Jesus was speaking of church age events, not end time events. He did not get to the end times until He spoke of the abomination.
The abomination which caused the desolation was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Roman Army destroyed the city and the Temple and killed 1.2 millions Jews....the survivors were sold as slaves and dispersed among the nations.

Thus Daniel 9:27 have been fulfilled in the time of Jesus and the Apostles...

If you want a End Times Prophecy look at
Daniel 7 about the Little Horn --- who match with Revelation 13 ...And Revelation 17:8-14

I know many say the first seal is the antichrist. They are mistaken.
You are right -----

the Antichrist First [known] Public action is described in Revelation 11:7 ...Satan will give him power to CONTINUE during 42 Months Revelation 13:3-5....The beast who shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit that the whole Earth shall wonder Revelation 17:8 ---Revelation 9:11
 
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The 3rd seal has been ongoing through the church age, but limited to 1/4 of the earth's surface: Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. However, it will probably continue on into the 70th week.
We havent seen a global financial crisis and worldwide scarcity of food.
 
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The abomination which caused the desolation fulfilled in 70 AD when the Roman Army destroyed the city and the Temple and killed 1.2 millions Jews..survivors sold as slaves and dispersed

Not at all, the Bar Kokhba revolt was much bigger then the 70 AD and the Hebrew victories over the Romans established an independent state of Israel over most parts of Judea Province for over two years in 132 AD

The revolt erupted as a result of ongoing religious and political tensions in Judea following on the failure of the First Revolt in 66−73 CE.
 
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In other words, Jesus was speaking of church age events, not end time events. .
The Book of Revelation is the end times prophetic message it began when Apostle John saw Jesus coming on the cloud which is THE END TIMES EVENT WHEN THE 70TH WEEKS OF DANIEL ARRIVES.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

Its all about the 70TH WEEKS OF DANIEL/ the final 7 years of Tribulation.
 
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Why can't people see that the first five Seals are already open?

When the 4th Seal is opened, 1/4 of this present world population will die, it will be about 2 Billions death !

The population of the world be4 ww2 was about 2,3 billions
List of countries by population in 1939 - Wikipedia
Which is almost the whole victims of the 4th seal if its opened now.

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World War II fatality statistics estimates of total deaths ranging from 50 million to more than 80 million. The higher figure of over 80 million includes deaths from war-related disease and famine.

EVEN THE TOTAL VICTIMS OF WW2 DIDNT MAKE 1/4 OF THE WORLD POPULATION AT THAT TIME. So you cannot say the 4th seal has been opened.

The pale horse will not be released until the final 70th week of Daniel which is the most horrible war compared to others in mankind civilization !

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

We havent even seen the global financial crisis and food shortage which will bring this war of the 4th Seal, which will kill billions of lives of the world !

This present world, with some areas in ME in wars, will look like a picnic compared to the apocalypse of the 4 Seal opening !
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When the 4th Seal is opened, 1/4 of this present world population will die, it will be about 2 Billions death !
The 4TH Seal talk about 1/4 of the Earth's SURFACE affected by a WAR--- NOT that 1/4 of the Earth population will be killed....

The 4Th seal correspond to WW1 and WW2 who have affected 1/4 of the Earth surface [The European Continent]...the main event of the 20Th century.

Revelation 6:7-6
7 And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come.
8 And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority OVER the FOURTH PART of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

---->However there is a prophecy in The Book Of Revelation about 1/3 of the Earth Population who will be killed by supernatural creatures ....let see if you can find it !
 
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The 4TH Seal talk about 1/4 of the Earth's SURFACE affected by a WAR--- NOT that 1/4 of the Earth population will be killed....
The number of victims could be more than 2 billions if it destroys 1/4 of the world continent adding with war-related disease, looting, robberies and famine. There are 2 billions people in Europe and Africa and 250 millions in M.E. If the 1/4 of people refer to this continent they will all be destroyed.

I know you refer to this :
Rev 8:18 18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

It will be global apocalypse without a pause when this final 70th week of Daniel starts, terror and terror to mankind in despair and their days of tomorrow will be even worst and worst.

It will make our present world look like a picnic !
Everything is abundant now, many parts of the world still enjoy relatively peace situation, Churches provide service in peace but not anymore in the Tribulation.


When God's patient is finished and mankind refuse to repent in Christ !
God will feed people with wormwood water, hail and fire from the sky, all calamities, killing angels, tsunami, earthquake, sun strike, famine, plagues, etc.

God will totally make war with mankind, but even after about 3-5 billions perished they still not repent.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
 
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The number of victims could be more than 2 billions if it destroys 1/4 of the world continent adding with war-related disease, looting, robberies and famine. There are 2 billions people in Europe and Africa and 250 millions in M.E. If the 1/4 of people refer to this continent they will all be destroyed.
There will not be 1/4 of people on the Earth killed at the 4th seal ...and later another 1/3 killed at the 6TH trumpet.

The 4 TH SEAL have already happened on the Earth in the 20 Th Century ...and as prophesied it have happened on 1/4 of the Earth surface ....people living there have been very afflicted when it happened ------>World War 1 and World War 2.


It will be global apocalypse without a pause when this final 70th week of Daniel starts, terror and terror to mankind in despair and their days of tomorrow will be even worst and worst.
That is not what Revelation describe:
After the 6 TH Trumpet Events [The SECOND WOE] when 1/3 of humanity will have been killed by the supernatural creatures [Revelation 9:12-21 ---Revelation 11:7-14] things will come to a calm- ....the Beast will take power[Revelation 13] and will bring a time of peace and prosperity to all those who will take the mark and will worship him.When his kingdom will be destroyed people will bewail and lament [Revelation 17 ---Revelation 18]

It will make our present world look like a picnic !
The actual picnic will end when the great destructive worldwide earthquake of the 6TH Seal [Revelation 6:12-17 ]will happen.

When God's patient is finished and mankind refuse to repent in Christ !
God will feed people with wormwood water, hail and fire from the sky, all calamities, killing angels, tsunami, earthquake, sun strike, famine, plagues, etc.

God will totally make war with mankind, but even after about 3-5 billions perished they still not repent.
-The first 6 Trumpets concern mostly 1/3 ....except the 5 th trumpet [Revelation 8 ----Revelation 9

-Then the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelation 13]who will bring peace and prosperity for 42 months [only those who will refuse the mark will be killed]

-Then in the last 6 months of the reign of the Beast the 7 Vials of the Wrath of God [Revelation 16] will be poured out on the Earth upon those who have taken the mark --->to avenge the blood of the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and will refuse to worship the Beast...who will have almost all been killed.
 
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We havent seen a global financial crisis and worldwide scarcity of food.
Did you just skip over verse 8 of chapter 6? John tells us these three horses and horsemen are LIMITED to one fourth of the earth.
 
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There will not be 1/4 of people on the Earth killed at the 4th seal ...and later another 1/3 killed at the 6TH trumpet.

The 4 TH SEAL have already happened on the Earth in the 20 Th Century ...and as prophesied it have happened on 1/4 of the Earth surface ....people living there have been very afflicted when it happened ------>World War 1 and World War 2.



That is not what Revelation describe:
After the 6 TH Trumpet Events [The SECOND WOE] when 1/3 of humanity will have been killed by the supernatural creatures [Revelation 9:12-21 ---Revelation 11:7-14] things will come to a calm- ....the Beast will take power[Revelation 13] and will bring a time of peace and prosperity to all those who will take the mark and will worship him.When his kingdom will be destroyed people will bewail and lament [Revelation 17 ---Revelation 18]


The actual picnic will end when the great destructive worldwide earthquake of the 6TH Seal [Revelation 6:12-17 ]will happen.


-The first 6 Trumpets concern mostly 1/3 ....except the 5 th trumpet [Revelation 8 ----Revelation 9

-Then the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelation 13]who will bring peace and prosperity for 42 months [only those who will refuse the mark will be killed]

-Then in the last 6 months of the reign of the Beast the 7 Vials of the Wrath of God [Revelation 16] will be poured out on the Earth upon those who have taken the mark --->to avenge the blood of the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and will refuse to worship the Beast...who will have almost all been killed.
NO NO NO! Go back and read it again. You are misreading. It is CLEARLY written that the three horsemen (Red, Black and Pale) are LIMITED in their theater of operation to 1/4 of the earth. It is LOCATION, not numbers, John is talking about.
 
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NO NO NO! Go back and read it again. You are misreading. It is CLEARLY written that the three horsemen (Red, Black and Pale) are LIMITED in their theater of operation to 1/4 of the earth. It is LOCATION, not numbers, John is talking about.
Wrong interpretation.
The Fourth horseman is given power of a quarter of the earth. Revelation 6:8 He will kill a quarter of the earth's PEOPLE. Nothing to do with land at all.
Proved by Zechariah 1:8-11 and 6:1-8. Please correct your teaching on this matter.
 
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The 4 TH SEAL have already happened on the Earth in the 20 Th Century ..
If the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Seal have already been opened, you will not be sitting at your lunch table in peace and abundancy. And you will not be seeing peace outside your door but death and turmoils everywhere.
 
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The Fourth horseman is given power of a quarter of the earth.
This event must happen within a certain period of time in the end of times, not accumulated from the 1st century, so as to get the sum of that 1/4th of the earth population at one time event.
 
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If the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Seal have already been opened, you will not be sitting at your lunch table in peace and abundancy. And you will not be seeing peace outside your door but death and turmoils everywhere.
Nearly 2,000 years have passed since John have written the Book of Revelation ...looking at the events which have occurred from that time until now we can see that:


Seal 1 to Seal 5 have already been opened... they are recurring events which correspond perfectly with the great lines of the Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 about the beginning of sorrows [Wars and rumors of Wars----Famines----Earthquakes-] -->but the End is not yet...

Revelation 6
Seal 1 The conquest of the Gospel still in action
Seal 2 The Wars who continue to plague humanity
Seal 3 The famines who continue to plague humanity
Seal 4 WW1 and WW2 [who have affected ] 1/4 of the Earth surface.
Seal 5 The Christians Martyrs still in action as we speak.

That will hurt more from the 6 Th Seal ....and in the 7 Trumpets Plagues Revelation 8 Revelation 9....

The 6TH Seal have obviously not been opened....only in John vision we can have a glimpse of what will happen at that moment.

Your idea that the First Seal is about the Antichrist is rather out of place -----The Book of Revelation begin to talk about the Beast/AC taking power for 42 Months only in Revelation 13....some time after the 7Th Trumpet...

Hint :
It is very unlikely that we will hear any of the 7 TRIBULATION Trumpets who will be sounded by seven angels in Heaven.
 
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NO NO NO! Go back and read it again. You are misreading. It is CLEARLY written that the three horsemen (Red, Black and Pale) are LIMITED in their theater of operation to 1/4 of the earth. It is LOCATION, not numbers, John is talking about.
Revelation 6:7-8
7 And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come.

8 And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


The 4Th Seal refers specifically to a great war affecting 1/4 of the Earth Surface and its effects afflicting the people ...Look on a Earth Globe and locate the European Continent where World War 1 and World War 2 have happened... it correspond to 1/4 of the Earth habitable surface.

Maps of the World | Maps of Continents, Countries, States & Cities
 
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This event must happen within a certain period of time in the end of times, not accumulated from the 1st century, so as to get the sum of that 1/4th of the earth population at one time event.
That is your opinion.
The scripture does not support it.
The Fifth Seal is proof that the first 5 were opened in the first century. All the Christian martyrs have their souls kept under the heavenly Altar.
 
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