Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
ummm.... What has this to do with the questions you asked me? You asked if I was "implying" that there was more than one covenant, and one incomprehensible question. I answered the one question I could understand, as written, and I showed that God has made multiple covenants with humanity. Are you implying that the Bible is lying about this? What's you're point? What does this have to do with the vision of Ezekiel 40-48 as that is the only discussion I had entered into in this thread?

Ummm.....
It has to do with the ONE PROMISE through Abraham that he would be the father of many

It has to do with ONE HOUSE and ONE FATHER and ONE CHOSEN SON through whom that ONE PROMISE would come

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
ummm.... What has this to do with the questions you asked me? You asked if I was "implying" that there was more than one covenant, and one incomprehensible question. I answered the one question I could understand, as written, and I showed that God has made multiple covenants with humanity. Are you implying that the Bible is lying about this? What's you're point? What does this have to do with the vision of Ezekiel 40-48 as that is the only discussion I had entered into in this thread?

I’m implying that the WORD of GOD all along was the TESTIMONY and PROPHECY of JESUS

I’m implying that every WORD of GOD spoken in lower visible signs and representations were simply the shadows pointing ALL MEN to CHRIST

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

But I’m really not implying it
I’m stating it as TRUTH

Gary K · Feb 23, 2018

miknik5 said:
But I’m really not implying it
I’m stating it as TRUTH

So, you're stating absolutely that even though the Bible says there have been six covenants between God and man that what it says is not true.

What does the word testimony in the following quote refer to in the Old Testament:

1Corinthians 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
So, you're stating absolutely that even though the Bible says there have been six covenants between God and man that what it says is not true.

What does the word testimony in the following quote refer to in the Old Testament:

The TESTIMONY of JESUS of course

For the “The TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS....

The SPIRIT of PROPHECY”

Who did you think THE WORD of GOD was pointing to from the beginning. From genesis to revelation?

GOD knows our limited humanity

HE knows we ever and always need visible signs and representations to understand HIS HIGHER HIDDEN TRITHS (that can only be known by HIS SPIRIT)

And GOD graciously hid HIS SON throughout HIS WORD so that when the fullness of time had come (when the body HE had prepared from the beginning might come forth to do HIS WILL) we would look back and bring to remembrance that all along HE spoke of and pointed us to HIS SON

ONLY ONE COVENANT
ONLY ONE HOUSE
ONLY ONE FOUNDATION

Gary K · Feb 23, 2018

miknik5 said:
The TESTIMONY of JESUS of course

For the “The TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS....

The SPIRIT of PROPHECY”

Who did you think THE WORD of GOD was pointing to from the beginning. From genesis to revelation?

GOD knows our limited humanity

HE knows we ever and always need visible signs and representations to understand HIS HIGHER HIDDEN TRITHS (that can only be known by HIS SPIRIT)

And GOD graciously hid HIS SON throughout HIS WORD so that when the fullness of time had come (when the body HE had prepared from the beginning might come forth to do HIS WILL) we would look back and bring to remembrance that all along HE spoke of and pointed us to HIS SON

ONLY ONE COVENANT
ONLY ONE HOUSE
ONLY ONE FOUNDATION

Actually, the OT tells us what the testimony of Jesus is.

Exodus 3: 4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Exodus 3: 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8: 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10: 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

The above says who the Son of God is. The following tells us what His testimony is.

Exodus 25: 16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

Exodus 31: 18 ¶And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

What is the ark of the testimony?

Exodus 25: 21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.

Hebrews 9: 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

So, what was the testimony of Jesus? The law of God written on the two tables of stone written with His own hand. Jesus lived the law of God perfectly showing us who God is, and that is His testimony.

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
Actually, the OT tells us what the testimony of Jesus is.

The above says who the Son of God is. The following tells us what His testimony is.

What is the ark of the testimony?

So, what was the testimony of Jesus? The law of God written on the two tables of stone written with His own hand. Jesus lived the law of God perfectly showing us who God is, and that is His testimony.

Please factor in both matthew 5 and Deuteronomy 18

Did HE have the authority to magnify THE LAW?

Did HE have the authority to say you have heard it said/written

BUT I SAY TO YOU....

Does HE have that right

And in Deuteronomy 18 who is required to listen to HIM, considering HE came speaking all that THE FATHER has said

Is it just some men?

Or all?

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

There was a reason that the author of Hebrews tells the people he was instructing “let us go on to maturity” and that at that pint it was obvious that they WERENT ready to hear and understand all that pertained as the temporary shadows in the temple that really are all the truths found in CHRIST JESUS

And that certainly pertains to the mercy seat

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Leviticus

Try coming up to the altar on steps

For it is only through JESUS that we have access to the FATHER by ONE SPIRIT

HIS

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

So what you are suggesting to the sheep is that JESUS is just one of GOD’s SHEPHERDS and that there are more than ONE FLOCK

And another gate/way/door?

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

ONE FOUNDATION

You might want to fast forward to revelation 21 and review the construct of the NEW (and one and only) JERUSALEM

Gary K · Feb 23, 2018

miknik5 said:
Please factor in both matthew 5 and Deuteronomy 18

Did HE have the authority to magnify THE LAW?

Did HE have the authority to say you have heard it said/written

BUT I SAY TO YOU....

Does HE have that right

And in Deuteronomy 18 who is required to listen to HIM, considering HE came speaking all that THE FATHER has said

Is it just some men?

Or all?

Don't conflate Jesus the human being with the full authority of God that is also His through His divinity. The Son of God is God. He is the almighty God. He is also the man Jesus who lived here as a purely human being with no advantage over us in His daily life. Jesus' testimony is the law of God, the Bible explicitly tells us this, and that through the power of the Holy Spirit mankind can live the law of God just like He did. His life testifies to this, for if He had used His divinity to aid Him in living the law of God, He could not be our example of how to live. And the "new" covenant tells us this as well as other scriptures. Remember, it is Jesus speaking in the OT. He is the almighty God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel).

Ezekiel 36: 25 ¶Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jeremiah 31: 31 ¶Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:*n7
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 ¶Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

Hebrews 9: 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

What were the "better promises"? The promises of God compared to the promises of men.

Exodus 24: 3 ¶And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do.

Also remember that the covenant of Deuteronomy was to be used as a witness against the Israelites/Jews.

Deuteronomy 31: 19 Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?
28 ¶Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Notice that this law/covenant was not stored under the mercy seat as the 10 commandments were. It was stored in a pocket on the outside of the ark of the testimony. Moses said they were rebellious, stiff necked, and that their rebellion would only increase after his death. This shows just how bad the covenant was that they made at Sinai by telling God that they would do all that He had said, This is why a new covenant established upon better promises was needed.

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
Don't conflate Jesus the human being with the full authority of God that is also His through His divinity. The Son of God is God. He is the almighty God. He is also the man Jesus who lived here as a purely human being with no advantage over us in His daily life. Jesus' testimony is the law of God, the Bible explicitly tells us this, and that through the power of the Holy Spirit mankind can live the law of God just like He did. His life testifies to this, for if He had used His divinity to aid Him in living the law of God, He could not be our example of how to live. And the "new" covenant tells us this as well as other scriptures. Remember, it is Jesus speaking in the OT. He is the almighty God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel).

What were the "better promises"? The promises of God compared to the promises of men.

Also remember that the covenant of Deuteronomy was to be used as a witness against the Israelites/Jews.

Notice that this law/covenant was not stored under the mercy seat as the 10 commandments were. It was stored in a pocket on the outside of the ark of the testimony. Moses said they were rebellious, stiff necked, and that their rebellion would only increase after his death. This shows just how bad the covenant was that they made at Sinai by telling God that they would do all that He had said, This is why a new covenant established upon better promises was needed.

Nope. The reason GOD said HE would raise up a “prophet” was because the people did not want to hear the voice of GOD lest they perish

They told Moses they would listen to him

And GOD said they have spoken well. (Therefore) I will raise up a “prophet” and I will put my words in his mouth and he will say all that I command

And if ANYONE will not listen to HIM..,,I will require it

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

I have no idea why you are separating THE SON from THE FATHER

HE and THE FATHER are ONE

Only ONE HOLY SPIRIT

Not two

David Kent · Feb 23, 2018

R. Hartono said:
The Jews didnt believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the devil know this and will use this opportunity to present his antichrist as the Messiah to rule the world from Jerusalem.

The fake messiah will build the 3rd temple beside the mosque as the symbol of "peace".
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

The court is where the mosque in now built.

Antichrist will have to build it quickly as his reign is only 3½ years. It ha been 46 years in the building in Jesus day and wasn't finished till the reign of Nero only about 4 or five years before it was destroyed.

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Anyone who receives GODs TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON has THAT WITNESS in them

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

David Kent said:
Antichrist will have to build it quickly as his reign is only 3½ years. It ha been 46 years in the building in Jesus day and wasn't finished till the reign of Nero only about 4 or five years before it was destroyed.

The equipment is more sophisticated today than it was then

David Kent · Feb 23, 2018

miknik5 said:
sorry. I'm not an Adventist.

If my input isn't welcomed here I apologize

I found this thread on the new threads and I have responded to many threads regarding the third temple.

I know the rules here are strict so I will leave it at that and move on

Unless I am welcomed to participate

I welcome you. I may or may noy agree with you, but WELCOME.

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K

“And the WORD was made flesh”

Gary K

Is the will of GOD that all men should look to the law

Or is it that all men should look to THE SON?

(Please review John 6)

If HE came saying all that THE FATHER commanded HIM
to say. Did HE make a mistake in saying that the will and the work of GOD is that all who behold THE SON and believe in HIM have life. And HE will raise them up on the last day

Did HE also have a right to say to the Jews who didn’t believe in HIM what HE said in John 8

That they couldn’t follow HIM
where HE was going And if they did not believe....

as HE said:

If you do not believe I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins

miknik5 · Feb 23, 2018

Gary K said:
Don't conflate Jesus the human being with the full authority of God that is also His through His divinity. The Son of God is God. He is the almighty God. He is also the man Jesus who lived here as a purely human being with no advantage over us in His daily life. Jesus' testimony is the law of God, the Bible explicitly tells us this, and that through the power of the Holy Spirit mankind can live the law of God just like He did. His life testifies to this, for if He had used His divinity to aid Him in living the law of God, He could not be our example of how to live. And the "new" covenant tells us this as well as other scriptures. Remember, it is Jesus speaking in the OT. He is the almighty God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel).

What were the "better promises"? The promises of God compared to the promises of men.

Also remember that the covenant of Deuteronomy was to be used as a witness against the Israelites/Jews.

Notice that this law/covenant was not stored under the mercy seat as the 10 commandments were. It was stored in a pocket on the outside of the ark of the testimony. Moses said they were rebellious, stiff necked, and that their rebellion would only increase after his death. This shows just how bad the covenant was that they made at Sinai by telling God that they would do all that He had said, This is why a new covenant established upon better promises was needed.

Through the power of whose HOLY SPIRIT?

HE always did what pleases the FATHER because HE came forth from GOD

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