What is the dispensational view of the end times?

Truth7t7 said:

No place in Revelation 20:1-6 does it show a kingdom on this earth

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Nor does it show anything about King David and Goliath - but Gods Holy Word does show it !
Comprende ?

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Truth7t7 said:

The scripture presented represents the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity, no time.
100% the Lord's spiritual realm of no literal time.

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IF you were really sincere in finding truthful answers you would focus your time on the following verses

2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.But after these things he must be released for a little while.

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Gods Word REPEATEDLY states 1000 years for the length of TIME- not symbolic
The OBVIOUS IS there - God wants it Known how long satan is imprisoned as it reveals how long mankind will live under Jesus reign without satanic influence
Using terms like satan must be loosed a 'short time' or 'a little while' indicates the focus difference.
If how long satan is imprisoned was not important or relevant God would have said satan be imprisoned a long while - but God gives a specific number of years

Think about this
John.-19-20

19 That Sunday evening the disciples were meeting behind locked doors because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders. Suddenly, Jesus was standing there among them! “Peace be with you,” he said. 20 As he spoke, he showed them the wounds in his hands and his side. They were filled with joy when they saw the Lord!

Does the verse explain how Jesus got past the closed doors that no one opened ?, Jesus just suddenly appeared outa nowhere

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frater_domus said:

Woa, easy there, folks. So much adversity here. No one will get anywhere by throwing around accusations or denying others on principle. A little more love will go a long way

As for Revelations... well, that book is scary difficult To be fair, I am very hesitant, given how Jesus conveyed most things, to regard anything in Revelations as literal. It is a book full of symbolism, meant to convey a certain meaning.
As for when? Well, isn’t the ‘End Times’ technically the time between Jesus’ departure and the second comig? Time as we know it is a product of hellenistic (read: Western) thinking. Hebrew thinking was very context-dependent and time was not viewed as a linear construct with events set a certain times.

In the end, Jesus said in Matthew that only God knows when these event will occur. We can calculate back and forth as much as we want. We will not know the answer. The secret things belong to God, as it is writtem

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A study of the old testament and new will certainly make Revelation a much easier book to understand as much of it is pretty clear and other items might be more speculative such as who are the various Babylons mentioned. Rev 10 makes a statement that seems to be missed by many
9 So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.”
And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.”
10 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. 11 And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”. When you look at the rest of the Bible like Daniel, Joel, psalms, Thess, the gospels and all you can see the same future events are talked about from different places in time and they present a single view of destiny.

The literalist sees it plain as day where once you put on allegorical glasses you can't see it any other way either. I think defending your viewpoint is as much more the issue than your view. I point out the law of the prophets found in Duet 18:But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

This is the test the prophet has to be right and the measuring line or litmus test is did what the prophet say come to pass? 2 Peter 1 affirms this view of scripture : 9 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

These passages are why I am a dispensationalist as the things spoken of in scripture it you cut and paste all the ones that have never come to pass you have hundreds which would make all the prophets false prophets. But if you look at them and see the related ones and believe they are still coming to pass an actual time line and specific events can be established. For fun read Zechariah 14 and imagine it literal as you read it. It shows teh 2nd coming of Jesus with his saints and the LORD at that point being king over all the earth. It shows teh landscape of Jerusalem changed with the Mt of Olives split in two and a new river flowing year round from that time on. Also it shows a continuation of life on earth after this as from that point on the nations must keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no water.

Daniel describes the kingdom that will have no end to cover the entire earth as beginning when the stone cut without hands descends and crushes the image of the kingdoms of man and grinds them to powder leaving no trace of them. In Rev 11Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Zech 14 is the day and it is provable that the scene here shows Jerusalem overrun on this day when the LORD comes to fight and melts His enemies on a day when in the day it is dark and light at night. You see this is Rev 20 time too when the beast and false prophet are thrown into the fire and Satan is bound for 1000 years. As the description of Satan's defeat after the 1000 years is he only surrounds the city and fire is called down form heaven and then he is cast where the beast and false prophet already have been.

Luke 1 is also fulfilled on this day in Zech 14

67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
Notice how Jesus is promised as the horn of salvation according to the covenant made with Abraham and according to the prophets that Jesus would deliver them from their enemies and from that point on they would be able to serve Him without fear and in holiness all the days of their lives.

This too is accomplished at the 2nd coming on teh day Zech 14 describes. Note in Zech 14 it says in the day that the LORD is king over all the earth they will say the LORD is one. This is the day Paul promised that the blindness would come off of Israel as they are seeing Jesus having descended in glory still with the scars of the cross and they understand the Jesus is God incarnate king of glory and the passover lamb.
This is when the 2nd half of Isaiah 61 comes to pass as you see what the LORD does on the day of vengeance of the ministry of Jesus and the mourning will be turned to joy.


This is the day psalm 2 and Isaiah 9 talk about ;
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The throne of David is not a heavenly throne.

you can read and believe all these passages without resorting to symbolism. You can establish a time line with Daniel 9 70 weeks prophecy and not it is divided in two halves. 7 years divided by 2 would leave 42 months or a time times and half a time or 1260 days all terms that come up relating to the tribulation in Rev and timing after the abomination of desolation takes place. This scenario holds together without putting any allegory on it and uphold the two rules for testing a prophet. We look outside and Israel is hated and a nation after not being one almost 2 centuries at a time when world government is coming and morality is upsidedown. The preparations for the resumption of the sacrifice are made and teh dominoes for the literal view are set up exactly as we would expect them to be. Hosea 3 links the return of the kingdom with the return of the sacrifice and the return of David too.
hosea 3 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

I follow the two rules and believe it will come to pass and see it clear on the horizon.

Complete in Thee said:

What are the dispensationalist views of the End Times? Is there much variation or are there only minor differences?

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The major difference between the different views on dispensationalism (post trib premil, pre trib premil, postmil) appear to be the order of the end time events. All views agree there is a future literal earthly millennial reign, second coming and final judgment.

Post trib premil: 1.) trib 2.) 2nd coming 3.) millennium 4.) final judgement
Pre trib premil: 1. 2nd coming 2.) trib 3.) millennium 4.) final judgment
Postmil: 1.) millennium, 2.) 2nd coming/final judgement **multiple different beliefs on tribulation.


The major (not all by any means) problems I see that arise from some of these views (there are problems with all views: dispy, amil, futurist, preterist), are:
1.) the required literal interpretation of scripture and prophecy
2.) Israel and the church are separate entities
3.) future required animal sacrifices
4.) Christ is currently not king and/or ruling
5.) people are in presence of the Father before the resurrection


I typically try to find common ground between amil, futurists, and preterists, as they all believe Christ is currently king and ruling from the right hand of the Father. However, it is very difficult to find common ground with those who believe Jesus is not currently king and/or reining and that animal sacrifices will be begin the future.

Radagast said:

That's a novel theory. Revelation 20:1-8 does seem to describe a single millennium, however. Among other things, the use of the definite article (τὰ χίλια ἔτη) would indicate that.

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Let us at least entertain the thought that it may be a possibility, that the existence of two milleniums that DO NOT run concurrently, are for the purpose of juxtaposing two different events, for the purpose of providing contrasting effects.

As for the definite article, there is also an indefinite and this also plays into the so called novel theory you labelled, that has the definite article as opposed to the indefinite article. But what does this all mean?

The article "the" indicates that you are referring to a specific instance. So you say, "What is the time?" if you are asking for a specific time. Usually that would mean the time right now, though in context it could mean the time of some event under discussion. (Like, "We're planning a meeting to discuss this. The date of the meeting will be August 12." "Okay. And what is the time?")

Without an article, you would be referring to time in general. If you asked, "What is A time?", you would be likely get a philosophical discussion on the nature of time. (Like, "What is A time?" "Time is what keeps everything from happenning all at once.")

So let us look at those versus......

shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be fulfilled:

Definite article indicating a SET TIME, a time that is allotted and that will expire.

they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Christ's reign is an indefinite article, meaning an indefinite time period, not specified to end. Notice the contrasting effect of the definite article that expires for the dead that lived not. On the flip side you see the definite article to the resurrection, which must marry up to the final judgment of the dead, that lived not, meaning time has expired for them in contrast effects to the ones in the book of life that lived with Christ for the unspecified time period.

on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The definite article is used for both, the resurrection of the dead and the second death and all evidence points to the point of crossover, at the judgment of the dead when the books are opened at Christ's brilliant coming. Notice there is only one specified event called the resurrection and one specified event called the second death and the crossover happens when the books are opened and the definite article indicating the SET TIME period for Satan and the dead who lived not expires and at this point all who do not take part in the definite article the resurrection are cast in the lake of fire, which is the second death, where Satan, death and hell will be consumed in, never to exist from this point onwards, at the great white throne judgment, which is the judgment of the dead, when the books are opened and the old heavens and the old earth flee away from the presence of Christ's brilliant coming and are no more.

A thousand years reign, species an indefinite time frame from the judgment of the dead when the books are opened, because the resurrection and the second death are a one time event, that happen at the crossover.

In this novel theory you label, you have the definite and indefinite article conveying two milleniums, one with a definite time frame and the other that follows with an indefinite time frame, at the brilliant coming of Christ.

Radagast said:

No, I'm pretty sure the Greek means exactly what it says.

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Let us look at the Greek OK.

The definite article specifying a SET TIME frame.
3588. ho, hé, to
ho, hé, to: the
Original Word: ὁ, ἡ, τό
Phonetic Spelling: (ho)
Short Definition: the
Definition: the, the definite article.

Indefinite article alluding to an indefinite time frame.
5507. chilioi
chilioi: a thousand
Original Word: χίλιοι, αι, α
Transliteration: chilioi
Short Definition: a thousand
Definition: a thousand.

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As several people have pointed out, it is quite complex.

The main context I have heard it used is reference to Israel, the Church, and the Jews.

If you believe that Israel is the Church, and the Church Israel, you are non-dispensational.

If you believe that the Jews are Israel, and we are in a 'Church Age', then you are dispensational. This being the Church Age dispensation of time.

Any belief that sees the Jews as in any way different to any other person also will fall into the category of dispensationalist, insofar as one would be placing them under a different dispensation to the Church.

These terms are potentially quite loaded: handle with care

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Most men will die a physical death, but a whole generation of Christians will not die at the Second Coming of Christ.


The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, since Christ returns "as a thief", at "Armageddon", in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.


Premillennial Problems:



John saw “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.

Where are “souls” found?


The “first resurrection” in John chapter 5 is found in John 5:24.


The second resurrection in John chapter 5 is found in John 5:27-30.

The timing of this event is found in Revelation 11:18.



A mean dog on a long chain can still bite, if you go into his territory.
Paul still conducted his ministry during the time that he was bound in chains.

Most of those who are opposed to the amill doctrine, focus on the binding of Satan, but fail to deal with their own problems in the conflicts produced in making the premill doctrine agree with other passages.


How do you get the following passages to work with the premill doctrine?



Matthew 13:36-43, The separation of the wheat and tares occurs at Christ's Second Coming.

Matthew 25:31-46, The judgment of the living at His Second Coming.

1 Corinthians 15:50, Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 4:1, Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

2 Peter 3:10-13, Peter was looking for the current earth to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief". This passage is also connected to the event in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4:13-18 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10, and Revelation 16:15-16.

Revelation 11:15-18, We have the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible and then "the nations", and "wrath", and "the time of the judgment of the dead", with rewards for some and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18.
This passage agrees with Matthew 25:31-46, and John 5:27-30


Therefore, Revelation chapter 20 is using the "1,000 years" as a symbol of the "Church Age", in the same way that the number 1,000 is used symbolically in Psalm 50:10.

Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

God owns all of the hills, not just 1,000.


Christ will not be conducting funeral services for dead mortals during a period of 1,000 years after His return.

He defeated sin and death at Calvary.

Death dies at His return.

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BABerean2 said:

Most men will die a physical death, but a whole generation of Christians will not die at the Second Coming of Christ.

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Not a whole generation of Christians will not die, because the earth will resemble an open graveyard, after the day of the Lord, where the Lord has prepared a day of slaughter and big supper for the vultures that gather around the carsus (Matthew 24:28).

"If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. (Matthew 24:22)

BABerean2 said:

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, since Christ returns "as a thief", at "Armageddon", in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.

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I do not believe that there are two comings and neither did the Apostles, because when Jesus comes the end of all matter would have been announced and the last enemy death will be finally defeated and the Son will be made subject to the Father.

BABerean2 said:

John saw “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.

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Souls are the departed who had been martyred for Christ, from the cross, until his second coming.

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Where are “souls” found?

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In waiting place, for the Lord to raise them up on the last day.

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The “first resurrection” in John chapter 5 is found in John 5:24.

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The word is passing, that is...it is a process in action until the Testator passes from this temporal life, to eternal life to be present with the Lord, at his appearing (2 Timothy 4:6-8).

BABerean2 said:

The second resurrection in John chapter 5 is found in John 5:27-30.

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This was applicable to the first fruit of the harvest, the Old Covenant Israel, in the likes of Daniel who was told that after he died, he would need to wait in his lot, until the Messiah came and raised him up and gave him his inheritance (Matthews 27:52-53).

BABerean2 said:

The timing of this event is found in Revelation 11:18.

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The final judgment when the books are opened.

BABerean2 said:

Most of those who are opposed to the amill doctrine, focus on the binding of Satan, but fail to deal with their own problems in the conflicts produced in making the premill doctrine agree with other passages.

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I don't focus on Satan's binding at all. I merely state that Christ's coming will mean the one time judgment of the dead, when the books are opened and all those alive and dead are judged for the works done in the body.

BABerean2 said:

How do you get the following passages to work with the premill doctrine?

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I will try to explain.

BABerean2 said:

Matthew 13:36-43, The separation of the wheat and tares occurs at Christ's Second Coming.

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It happens before Christ's second coming.

BABerean2 said:

Matthew 25:31-46, The judgment of the living at His Second Coming.

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Not only the judgment of the living, but also the dead, for this is the final judgment, the white throne judgment, when death is finally defeated and Christ becomes subject to the Father.

BABerean2 said:

1 Corinthians 15:50, Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

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That is right, which means that everyone must biologically die and be raised into something else, that is like Angels.

BABerean2 said:

2 Timothy 4:1, Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

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Yes.

BABerean2 said:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

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Yes.

BABerean2 said:

2 Peter 3:10-13, Peter was looking for the current earth to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief". This passage is also connected to the event in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4:13-18 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10, and Revelation 16:15-16.

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Sure.

BABerean2 said:

Revelation 11:15-18, We have the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible and then "the nations", and "wrath", and "the time of the judgment of the dead", with rewards for some and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18.
This passage agrees with Matthew 25:31-46, and John 5:27-30

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The seventh trumpet also declares time no longer, that is the fat lady has sung and the time to judge the living and the dead happens and the first heavens and the first earth cannot continue past this point.

BABerean2 said:

Therefore, Revelation chapter 20 is using the "1,000 years" as a symbol of the "Church Age", in the same way that the number 1,000 is used symbolically in Psalm 50:10.

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The millenium is applied for the departed souls remember. So it has to be applied at Christ's second coming when the living and the dead are judged and the resurrected transformed into something else.

BABerean2 said:

Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

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Yes.

BABerean2 said:

God owns all of the hills, not just 1,000.

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BABerean2 said:

Christ will not be conducting funeral services for dead mortals during a period of 1,000 years after His return.

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Yes, because everyone would have died and either given into the lake of fire, which is the second death or entered into a new life realm to be forever present with the Lord in their heavenly bodies, what ever they may be.

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He defeated sin and death at Calvary.

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Absolutely!

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Death dies at His return.

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Amen!

seventysevens said:

After the 1000 years expires
THEN Beginning at that time IS When satan is loosed to go out to the EARTH and deceive the nations on Earth


How is it you simply ignore the verses immediately following verse 6
the next verse number 7 and following ->

7. When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8. and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If as you claim satan would not be in the eternal realm with Jesus and all His Bride
in the eternal realm where death is no more - fire would not come down from heaven to earth and destroy those who are marching across the earth with the intent of waging war and attempt to destroy the Lords people
If you choose not to believe there will be people of God with immortal bodies reigning over people with mortal bodies that is your choice - there are angels on earth now who are immortal interacting with mortal humans -

there will never be a way to prove what you claim to be true because what you claim is simply misunderstanding scripture - and seems that it could even be intentional as you stop reading after verse 6 cause after verse 6 it defeats what you claim
You refuse to go beyond verse 6

Big Smiles

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You can run from the facts presented again and again.

You proclaimed kingdom is contained in verses 1-6, you run from this truth, why?

Revelation 20:7-9 does not represent your proclaimed 1000 year kingdom on this earth, verse 7 below clearly states the 1000 years have "passed/expired".

Revelation 20:7KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Time to look back at verses 1-6 that is your proclaimed 1000 year kingdom on earth, with mortal humans running around, with Jesus sitting on a throne watching humans die physical death.

No place in Revelation 20:1-6 does it show a kingdom on this earth with "Mortal Humans Present" as you believe and teach.

The scripture presented represents the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity, no time.

Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm of no literal time.

There is no kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present as you claim.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

3But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father

When Jesus returns he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, because the power of the Cross that saves, would have run the course to register all who would be written in the book of life

after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Jesus returns after all the above conditions are met, through him reigning in his body, the Church. At the end, death itself will be no more. So you will not have mortal men running around him and dying, when he comes.

27For he “has put everything under his feet.”

Putting everything under his feet, means everything, and Satan being no exception. So Christ's millennium reign must be after Satan, hell and death itself is thrown in the lake of fire.

Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

So Jesus returns to be made subject to the Father, because hus Cross that saves, would have run its course to invite all who were supposed to be written in the book of life, so that God will be all in all.

So, dispensationalism is really playing into the hands of the other guy who will come, to reign from the earthly Jerusalem that is built up for him. When he comes as tge Abomination that brings destruction, he will remove the daily sacrifice and make himself the idol of worship. The daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, is the once and for all earthly time, that is daily sacrifice of the lamb of God , on the Cross at Calvary.

The Times said:

So, dispensationalism is really playing into the hands of the other guy who will come, to reign from the earthly Jerusalem that is built up for him. When he comes as tge Abomination that brings destruction, he will remove the daily sacrifice and make himself the idol of worship. The daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, is the once and for all earthly time, that is daily sacrifice of the lamb of God , on the Cross at Calvary.

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The very concept of a "daily sacrifice of the Lamb of God" is diametrically opposed to our Lord's "one sacrifice for sin forever."

Biblewriter said:

The very concept of a "daily sacrifice of the Lamb of God" is diametrically opposed to our Lord's "one sacrifice for sin forever."

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The daily sacrifice is the Lord's one sacrifice for sin forever.

The daily (morning and evening) were a continual reminder through the year that the LORD was their: Daily Sacrifice (morning and evening) Creator (Sabbath), Tree of Life (New Moon), Redeemer and Justifier (Passover), Sanctification (Unleavened Bread), Resurrection (Firstfruits), Latter Rain (Pentecost), Sentinel (Trumpets), Judge and Advocate (Day of Atonement) Light, Water, Shelter, Provider and Saviour from this world (Tabernacles or Feast of Harvest). His promise to them was: if they would honor Him, then He would honor them with His presence.

The Orthodox Church in remembrance of the one time sacrifice of the Lamb of God have an evening prayer, throughout the year.

The new covenant daily sacrifice is the Cross of Christ, which atones for the daily sins, year in year out. The imposter who comes will try to do away with the cross and to place himself as the centre of worship, amongst those who have attacked the Holy Covenant between God and Man, through the Cross of Christ.

The daily sacrifice, which is the Cross of Christ is replaced with the Abomination that brings destruction. This is the reason why Muslims believe what is written in their Koran, that when Jesus comes he will break the Cross.

In conclusion, any manifestation of an earthly messiah, will result in breaking the Cross, if the world is deceived into believing that now, this earthly messiah has replaced the Cross and that he is the centre of worship (The Abomination of Desolation).

The real Jesus does not come to do away his Cross, nor to take away the Holy Works of the Temple Builder, who is the Holy Spirit. We are the ones going to him, through biological death and onto resurrecting, on the last day. Even those who are translated will instantly shed their dirt body and be clothed with the Heavenly body. As Paul stated to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.
So that in this temporal realm, that is dictated by time and the law of thermodynamics, the Lord will not cross back into, for he waits for us on the other side. For all are destined to die once then to be judged, even those who are translated die, without tasting death and are transformed in a twinkling of an eye. This body of sin must be destroyed and all need to carry their crosses to the point of shedding their blood, meaning they must die before proceeding to the permanent realm, in the presence of the Holy, Holy Holy Christ Jesus.

The daily sacrifice is the atoning Cross of Christ and so how will it be broken one might say?

If there are people who attack the Holy Covenant, by vilifying the Cross and proceeding to force people to glorify any manifestation of any earthly messiah.

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Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner


From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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The ignorance about and disbelief of the scriptures being systematically displayed in this thread is, frankly, amazing.

My question is, did the Holy Spirit mean what He said, or did He not mean it?

The scriptures are literally filled with statements abut a kingdom which they say will take place on this earth. These include a very large number of passages which explicitly state details which clearly and unmistakably refer to events which will take place in specifically named places on this planet. These include, as an example, the entire last third of the book of Ezekiel. To deny all this, is to simply be claiming that God did not mean what these words explicitly say.

Revelation 20 is the only passage that states how long this kingdom will last. But it states that explicitly, and six times over. But the only question based entirely on that passage, and that one alone, is whether the thousand years was meant to be interpreted literally, or was only meant to typically represent a long period of time.

There can be zero doubt that the scriptures use time statements in a sense that is obviously meant to be interpreted typically, rather than literally. So the claim that the term "a thousand years," (chilia ete) which is used three times in this passage, can legitimately be interpreted to simply mean a long period of time. But it is highly questionable to apply this same logic to the term "the thousand years," (ta chilia ete) which is also used three times in this same passage.

It is common knowledge that, in both Greek and Hebrew, there is no indefinite article. When it is required to complete the sense, the translators often added it, in English, usually as the word "a." But there is, in both languages, a definite article. This, itself, is often omitted, so its lack in any particular passage does not prove that the unstated article should not be definite, as in "the" instead of "a." But it is also a well known fact that when an article is contained in the Greek or Hebrew text, it is normally used only for stress as a definite article, as in "the" instead of "a." That is, when the word "the," (ete in the Greek) is included in the text, it means that specific thing, and not just something like it. So, with this in mind, it becomes difficult, althoigh still not impossible, to argue that the "thousand years" in this passage only means "a long time."

But this entire argument entirely misses the point. And that is, that the scriptures do indeed, and in very many places, explicitly say, and say in exceedingly clear and plain words, that in a future time there will be a literal kingdom on this physical earth. So the question of how long this kingdom will last is indeed a trivial one.

In like manner, the scriptures very clearly and explicitly say, in plan words. that an event which we call "the rapture" will indeed take place at some time that remains in the future. No scripture explicitly states when this event will take place, in relation to other prophesied events. So, without even one exception, all positions about the relative timing of this event are based on interpretation. But anyone and everyone who denies that there will be such an event, is denying explicitly stated scripture.

The Times said:

The daily sacrifice is the Lord's one sacrifice for sin forever.

The daily (morning and evening) were a continual reminder through the year that the LORD was their: Daily Sacrifice (morning and evening) Creator (Sabbath), Tree of Life (New Moon), Redeemer and Justifier (Passover), Sanctification (Unleavened Bread), Resurrection (Firstfruits), Latter Rain (Pentecost), Sentinel (Trumpets), Judge and Advocate (Day of Atonement) Light, Water, Shelter, Provider and Saviour from this world (Tabernacles or Feast of Harvest). His promise to them was: if they would honor Him, then He would honor them with His presence.

The Orthodox Church in remembrance of the one time sacrifice of the Lamb of God have an evening prayer, throughout the year.

The new covenant daily sacrifice is the Cross of Christ, which atones for the daily sins, year in year out. The imposter who comes will try to do away with the cross and to place himself as the centre of worship, amongst those who have attacked the Holy Covenant between God and Man, through the Cross of Christ.

The daily sacrifice, which is the Cross of Christ is replaced with the Abomination that brings destruction. This is the reason why Muslims believe what is written in their Koran, that when Jesus comes he will break the Cross.

In conclusion, any manifestation of an earthly messiah, will result in breaking the Cross, if the world is deceived into believing that now, this earthly messiah has replaced the Cross and that he is the centre of worship (The Abomination of Desolation).

The real Jesus does not come to do away his Cross, nor to take away the Holy Works of the Temple Builder, who is the Holy Spirit. We are the ones going to him, through biological death and onto resurrecting, on the last day. Even those who are translated will instantly shed their dirt body and be clothed with the Heavenly body. As Paul stated to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.
So that in this temporal realm, that is dictated by time and the law of thermodynamics, the Lord will not cross back into, for he waits for us on the other side. For all are destined to die once then to be judged, even those who are translated die, without tasting death and are transformed in a twinkling of an eye. This body of sin must be destroyed and all need to carry their crosses to the point of shedding their blood, meaning they must die before proceeding to the permanent realm, in the presence of the Holy, Holy Holy Christ Jesus.

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You are using church tradition as if it were scripture. This is complete error.

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Six times God mentions 1000 years in the next Seven Verses.

Rev. 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison..

So Jesus binds Satan in the bottomless pit for 1000 years UNTIL THE 1000 YEARS SHOULD BE FULFILLED !!! How do you work your way around these Scriptures? God is not dumb, He let it be known SIX TIMES that Christ's reign would be 1000 years on earth, and that Satan would be bound 1000 years where he could not DECEIVE WHO? The Nations or the PEOPLE(S) and if PEOPLE are still able to be deceived it means they are still in their fallen state and need Jesus' grace. The difference is there will be NO TEMPTATION...Satan and his minions will all be bound for 1000 years...For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in high places.

We (Those alive during the 1000 year reign, NOT ME, LOL) will still have SIN NATURE, but as the 70th Week Prophecy says:

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, (2)and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This means DAILY SINS, not SIN NATURE. Willful sins are ended, people will still have sin nature, but our desire to be sinners and to sin continually will not be there. When Satan is loosed those Peoples/Nations will be tempted again, so there is still SIN NATURE.

(2.) This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70th week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no daily sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then " daily sins will end".

Of course our sin nature is EVER PRESENT, and our sins of omission will remain also, for we do not know to do all that we should do in this present age and can not because of our flesh, but when we go to be with the Lord in Heaven we will know as we are now known, things will change.

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Satan is allowed to reign on this earth for 6000 years because MANKIND FOLLOWED him. His ways has sowed chaos, murder, disease, death, lies, adultery, perversions, greed, hate etc. etc. etc. Now Jesus comes along and rules for 1000 years, this is an OPEN TESTIMONY against Satan and unto the nations or peoples of earth of all time.

Satan's way = DEATH & DESTRUCTION, Jesus' ways = LIFE EVERMORE. This is why we have a 1000 years reign by the Master on this earth. Its going to be a TESTIMONY against all who followed evil, the devil, Satan, his ways, over Gods ways.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic Covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). The [Palestinian] Covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). The Davidic Covenant promised Israel a king from David’s line who would rule forever—giving the nation rest from all their enemies (2 Samuel 7:10–13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Jerusalem is above, and the throne of David also. Jesus sits there now.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.

Revealing Times said:

Six times God mentions 1000 years in the next Seven Verses.

Rev. 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison..

Jesus binds Satan in the bottomless pit for 1000 years UNTIL THE 1000 YEARS SHOULD BE FULFILLED !!! How do you work your way around these Scriptures? God is not dumb, he let it be known SIX TIMES that Christ's reign would be 1000 years on earth, and that Satan would be bound 1000 years where he could not DECEIVE WHO? The Nations are the PEOPLE and if PEOPLE are still able to be deceived it means they are still in their fallen state and need Jesus' grace. The difference is there will be NO TEMPTATION...Satan and his minions will all be bound for 1000 years...For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in high places.

We (Those alive during the 1000 year reign) will still have SIN NATURE, but as the 70th Week Prophecy says:

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, (2)and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This means DAILY SINS, not SIN NATURE. Willful sins are ended, people will still have sin nature, but our desire to be sinners and to sin continually will net be there. When Satan is loosed those peoples/Nations will be tempted again, so there is still SIN NATURE.

(2.) This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70th week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no daily sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then " daily sins will end".

Of course our sin nature is EVER PRESENT, and our sins of omission will remain also, for we do not know to do all that we should do in this present age and can not because of our flesh, but when we go to be with the Lord in Heaven we will know as we are now known, things will change.

[Staff edit].

Satan is allowed to reign on this earth for 6000 years because MANKIND FOLLOWED him. His ways has sowed chaos, murder, disease, death, lies, adultery, perversions, greed, hate etc. etc, Now Jesus comes along and rules foe 1000 years, this is an OPEN TESTIMONY against Satan and unto the nation or peoples of earth of all time.

Satan's way = DEATH & DESTRUCTION, Jesus' ways = LIFE EVERMORE. This is why we have a 1000 years reign by the Master on this earth. Its going to be a TESTIMONY against all who followed evil, the devil, Satan, his ways, over Gods ways.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic Covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). The [Palestinian] Covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). The Davidic Covenant promised Israel a king from David’s line who would rule forever—giving the nation rest from all their enemies (2 Samuel 7:10–13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

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Biblewriter said:

The ignorance about and disbelief of the scriptures being systematically displayed in this thread is, frankly, amazing.

My question is, did the Holy Spirit mean what He said, or did He not mean it?

The scriptures are literally filled with statements abut a kingdom which they say will take place on this earth. These include a very large number of passages which explicitly state details which clearly and unmistakably refer to events which will take place in specifically named places on this planet. These include, as an example, the entire last third of the book of Ezekiel. To deny all this, is to simply be claiming that God did not mean what these words explicitly say.

Revelation 20 is the only passage that states how long this kingdom will last. But it states that explicitly, and six times over. But the only question based entirely on that passage, and that one alone, is whether the thousand years was meant to be interpreted literally, or was only meant to typically represent a long period of time.

There can be zero doubt that the scriptures use time statements in a sense that is obviously meant to be interpreted typically, rather than literally. So the claim that the term "a thousand years," (chilia ete) which is used three times in this passage, can legitimately be interpreted to simply mean a long period of time. But it is highly questionable to apply this same logic to the term "the thousand years," (ta chilia ete) which is also used three times in this same passage.

It is common knowledge that, in both Greek and Hebrew, there is no indefinite article. When it is required to complete the sense, the translators often added it, in English, usually as the word "a." But there is, in both languages, a definite article. This, itself, is often omitted, so its lack in any particular passage does not prove that the unstated article should not be definite, as in "the" instead of "a." But it is also a well known fact that when an article is contained in the Greek or Hebrew text, it is normally used only for stress as a definite article, as in "the" instead of "a." That is, when the word "the," (ete in the Greek) is included in the text, it means that specific thing, and not just something like it. So, with this in mind, it becomes difficult, althoigh still not impossible, to argue that the "thousand years" in this passage only means "a long time."

But this entire argument entirely misses the point. And that is, that the scriptures do indeed, and in very many places, explicitly say, and say in exceedingly clear and plain words, that in a future time there will be a literal kingdom on this physical earth. So the question of how long this kingdom will last is indeed a trivial one.

In like manner, the scriptures very clearly and explicitly say, in plan words. that an event which we call "the rapture" will indeed take place at some time that remains in the future. No scripture explicitly states when this event will take place, in relation to other prophesied events. So, without even one exception, all positions about the relative timing of this event are based on interpretation. But anyone and everyone who denies that there will be such an event, is denying explicitly stated scripture.

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No place in Revelation 20:1-6 does it show a kingdom on this earth with "Mortal Humans Present" as you believe and teach.

The scripture presented represents the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity, no time.

Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm of no literal time.

There is no kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present as you claim.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Biblewriter said:

The ignorance about and disbelief of the scriptures being systematically displayed in this thread is, frankly, amazing.

My question is, did the Holy Spirit mean what He said, or did He not mean it?

The scriptures are literally filled with statements abut a kingdom which they say will take place on this earth. These include a very large number of passages which explicitly state details which clearly and unmistakably refer to events which will take place in specifically named places on this planet. These include, as an example, the entire last third of the book of Ezekiel. To deny all this, is to simply be claiming that God did not mean what these words explicitly say.

Revelation 20 is the only passage that states how long this kingdom will last. But it states that explicitly, and six times over. But the only question based entirely on that passage, and that one alone, is whether the thousand years was meant to be interpreted literally, or was only meant to typically represent a long period of time.

There can be zero doubt that the scriptures use time statements in a sense that is obviously meant to be interpreted typically, rather than literally. So the claim that the term "a thousand years," (chilia ete) which is used three times in this passage, can legitimately be interpreted to simply mean a long period of time. But it is highly questionable to apply this same logic to the term "the thousand years," (ta chilia ete) which is also used three times in this same passage.

It is common knowledge that, in both Greek and Hebrew, there is no indefinite article. When it is required to complete the sense, the translators often added it, in English, usually as the word "a." But there is, in both languages, a definite article. This, itself, is often omitted, so its lack in any particular passage does not prove that the unstated article should not be definite, as in "the" instead of "a." But it is also a well known fact that when an article is contained in the Greek or Hebrew text, it is normally used only for stress as a definite article, as in "the" instead of "a." That is, when the word "the," (ete in the Greek) is included in the text, it means that specific thing, and not just something like it. So, with this in mind, it becomes difficult, althoigh still not impossible, to argue that the "thousand years" in this passage only means "a long time."

But this entire argument entirely misses the point. And that is, that the scriptures do indeed, and in very many places, explicitly say, and say in exceedingly clear and plain words, that in a future time there will be a literal kingdom on this physical earth. So the question of how long this kingdom will last is indeed a trivial one.

In like manner, the scriptures very clearly and explicitly say, in plan words. that an event which we call "the rapture" will indeed take place at some time that remains in the future. No scripture explicitly states when this event will take place, in relation to other prophesied events. So, without even one exception, all positions about the relative timing of this event are based on interpretation. But anyone and everyone who denies that there will be such an event, is denying explicitly stated scripture.

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Writer you believe and teach the judgment described below is not the "Final Judgment" read it slow and carefully, "Everlasting Fire" & "Eternal Life"!

Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he taught below, you have been clearly shown Writer.

There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

"ETERNITY BEGINS"!

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Biblewriter said:

The ignorance about and disbelief of the scriptures being systematically displayed in this thread is, frankly, amazing.

My question is, did the Holy Spirit mean what He said, or did He not mean it?

The scriptures are literally filled with statements abut a kingdom which they say will take place on this earth. These include a very large number of passages which explicitly state details which clearly and unmistakably refer to events which will take place in specifically named places on this planet. These include, as an example, the entire last third of the book of Ezekiel. To deny all this, is to simply be claiming that God did not mean what these words explicitly say.

Revelation 20 is the only passage that states how long this kingdom will last. But it states that explicitly, and six times over. But the only question based entirely on that passage, and that one alone, is whether the thousand years was meant to be interpreted literally, or was only meant to typically represent a long period of time.

There can be zero doubt that the scriptures use time statements in a sense that is obviously meant to be interpreted typically, rather than literally. So the claim that the term "a thousand years," (chilia ete) which is used three times in this passage, can legitimately be interpreted to simply mean a long period of time. But it is highly questionable to apply this same logic to the term "the thousand years," (ta chilia ete) which is also used three times in this same passage.

It is common knowledge that, in both Greek and Hebrew, there is no indefinite article. When it is required to complete the sense, the translators often added it, in English, usually as the word "a." But there is, in both languages, a definite article. This, itself, is often omitted, so its lack in any particular passage does not prove that the unstated article should not be definite, as in "the" instead of "a." But it is also a well known fact that when an article is contained in the Greek or Hebrew text, it is normally used only for stress as a definite article, as in "the" instead of "a." That is, when the word "the," (ete in the Greek) is included in the text, it means that specific thing, and not just something like it. So, with this in mind, it becomes difficult, althoigh still not impossible, to argue that the "thousand years" in this passage only means "a long time."

But this entire argument entirely misses the point. And that is, that the scriptures do indeed, and in very many places, explicitly say, and say in exceedingly clear and plain words, that in a future time there will be a literal kingdom on this physical earth. So the question of how long this kingdom will last is indeed a trivial one.

In like manner, the scriptures very clearly and explicitly say, in plan words. that an event which we call "the rapture" will indeed take place at some time that remains in the future. No scripture explicitly states when this event will take place, in relation to other prophesied events. So, without even one exception, all positions about the relative timing of this event are based on interpretation. But anyone and everyone who denies that there will be such an event, is denying explicitly stated scripture.

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Writer Jesus Christ returns, then "The End Comes" Can't be more "Clear" than that.

There is no 1000 year kingdom on earth hidden between verses 23-24 below, why Can't you submit to God's very clear words?

1 Corinthians 15:20-24KJV
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.