Daniel 11 & 12 historically explained step by step.

Douggg said:

Let's see. Jesus is the messiah and he is riding a white horse in Revelation 19. The rider in the first seal is riding a white horse and is given a crown, made a king - but you can't make the connection that he is a fake messiah? The King of Israel, illegitimate.

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No brother, YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION. He will indeed claim to be God, but that doesn't mean Israel accepts him. Your problem is you are on the micro level, I see the bigger picture. You have it ON THE BRAIN that Israel accepts this man but you really do Jesus and the Anti-Christ (dare I say) a DISSERVICE as you have them both as trying to be King of Israel ONLY........STEP BACK BROTHER and look at the BIG PICTURE !!

Jesus is the Messiah to ALL Mankind !! The Anti-Christ will seek to become the God of the WHOLE WORLD, he mandates that All Mankind either worship him or die. So yes, he is a FAKE MESSIAH, but that doesn't mean Israel accepts him as their Messiah, you have no proof that even suggests they accept him, I have proof in Malachi 4:5-6 that Israel REPENTS or Accepts Christ BEFORE the Day of the Lord, thus why would you assume they accept him as their God? All Israel will be SAVED simple means Israel repents and accepts Christ as their Messiah.

Will there be some Jews that accept and worship this Beast? Yes, just like there were Jews that accepted Antiochus Epiphanes and the Hellenization of Israel, but that will happen after Israel FLEES into the Wilderness, they will all be QUICKLY KILLED, and the 2/3 of Jews who did nor Flee will understand they should have fled, some could't afford to go to Israel, some were unbelievers in Christ and in ANY God of course (Atheists), there is always that range also. But the FAKE Christ/White Horse is a substitute for the whole world, not just Israel, that is where your logic and wheels fall off brother. Its meant as a FAKE CHRIST for the whole world, and the whole world FOLLOWS AFTER HIM !!

Now let me tell you what actually happens ad show it to you in SCRIPTURES !!

There will be a repentance of Israel, they accept Christ Jesus, many are wise and heed Jesus' voice saying this is the Abomination spoken of by Jesus let us flee, some will discount the warning and stay, some can't make it back to Israel, some stay in the old Judaism Religion, a few I imagine will be like the Jews that wanted Israel to be Hellenized under AE4.

Many in Israel FLEE to he Wilderness, then this Anti-Christ on the "White Horse" ATTACKS and Conquers Israel, nowhere does it say he is accepted as their King, it says JUST THE OPPOSITE !!

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (BOOM), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (White Horse to the WHOLE WORLD), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So he Makes WAR with Israel, after 1/3 FLEE, he attacks Israel, just like he will attack every country in the Mediterranean Sea Region at the SAME TIME...That's the MANY in Dan. 8:25 and Dan. 9:27. He will conquer them all at once.

The WHOLE WORLD WILL WORSHIP HIM....See that brother? That is the WHITE HORSE...Hes trying to IMITATE JESUS who is the Savior of the WHOLE WORLD....Not just Israel !! Thus hes the White Horse. For some reason you see him only in JUXTAPOSITION to Israel, Jesus is the Savior to all MANKIND thus why are you limiting this man to being the King of Israel? Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords....this Man will seek to COPY THAT...Your Israel only angle is just you seeing the LITTLE PICTURE Brother......LOOK BIG !!

The Rider of the White Horse in Rev. 6 gets a DIFFERENT CROWN from the rider of the White Horse in Rev. ch. 13, you ever wonder why? One is a TWINE Crown that is won in a CONTEST of sorts, the other is a Crown given to ROYALS and its MANY CROWNS !! Two toally different words are used for a reason brother.

Douggg said:

In spite of the fact that Israel is looking for the messiah - someone other than Jesus - and are ripe for such a person. And that they will be saying peace and safety, exactly what they expect of the messianic age. And it follows Gog/Magog just as many of the Jews expect.

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Where do you get the THEY to mean Israel only? If you would quote the WHOLE PASSAGE its very clear the THEY are those is DARKNESS not those in the LIGHT...And Israel have already repented.

1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

So Israel has REPENTED, why then do you assume Israel are the ones that are overtaken by the DARKNESS? I see them as OF THE LIGHT, not of the Darkness, thus the FLEE and God protects them in the Wilderness for 1260 days. In Rev. Gog and Magog happens after the 1000 year reign, you do realize that right?

Douggg said:

And in Isaiah 14:19-20, he is likened to an abominable branch who destroys his land and his people. Jesus is the righteous branch.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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This only says he will not be BURIED which we already know, he will be cast straight into hell, he will never be allowed to REST in the Grave, his Flesh might be buried, but not his Spirit, God will cast him straight into hell. And HIS PEOPLE will be Gentiles and he will kill Millions of them !!

You see. you over-analyze at times. HIS PEOPLE is Gentiles from Isaiah's perspective there was only Jews and Gentiles. This MAD MAN will kill many Jew but he will kill MANY MORE Gentiles !! Billions will be killed.

Douggg said:

And the confirmation of the covenant for the 7 year shmita cycle, Moses made the requirement for all future leaders of Israel to do in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

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His AGREEMENTS are with Israel and MANY....Its not a Holy Covenant. You take that word in Hebrew which means AGREEMENT and again you over-analyze things. Its an AGREEMENT between this Anti-Christ and Many nations of which ONE is Israel.

Douggg said:

I am saying to you - show me one noted bible commentator who advocates the confirmation of the covenant is a peace treaty.... that they are aware of Deuteronomy 31:9-13 and it being a requirement placed on all leaders of Israel. I've talked to the Jews themselves; they are aware of it.

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95 percent of Christendom understand this is a Peace/Security deal, some like you think its a Holy Covenant and it throws your eschatology off kilter brother. No one I knows believes that.

Douggg said:

1260 days is not found in Daniel 12. The two time frames in Daniel 12 regarding the AoD are 1290 days and 1335 days.

RT, you wrote - "The AOD comes at the EXACT MIDWAY POINT."

Then later down in your post, you wrote - "The 1290 is the Abomination of Desolation, it happens 30 Days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the BEAST !! Dan. 12:11 tells us that, why do we doubt it?"

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That because it lasts into the MIDWAY POINT, it gets tiresome trying to explain math over and over to be honest. So if you haven't understood my point by now you probably never will and you are looking for CLERICAL ERRORS, which is asinine to be honest. The Abomination starts 1290 days before the END TIMES and lasts int the MIDWAY POINT which is the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem and thus the AOD is still around at the EXACT MID POINT....Get it now? You know by now my understanding, I have stated it 50 times, why take a bobble and try to make an issue of it when by know you have to know my position.

So id you mistakenly state an errant time-frame on one out of 25 posts I am not going to point it out because I will realize it was a MISTAKE.....So why point it out? You know my position. Then again you probably just don't understand it or you wouldn't be clinging to your position.

Douggg said:

You seem to contradicting yourself. This is part of the problem of you not being able to communicate clearly. When you write "the 1290" - no-one knows what day on the 7 year timeline you are referring to. I think you mean day 1230 on the timeline. In which case, you have the AoD setup at the exact midpoint, day 1260, and also 30 days earlier at day 1230.

Here's what you have....

day 1......................day 1260 AoD setup..........................day 2520

day 1.......................day 1230 AoD setup...........................day 2520

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No, I communicate great, you are just not grasping it. I say I must not be communicating well to make people feel better about themselves not understanding what I call simple things. Its just me, I don't want people to think I am berating their lack of knowledge so I take the blame, its the Christian way. See Paul, I will be ALL THINGS to ALL PEOPLE that I might win them to Christ.

And you have read my posts enough to know my days, so this above is a farce brother.

I IMAGINE my point came in reply to your saying it happens at the 1335 or something, to be honest none of your timelines make any sense to me.

Douggg said:

You can't tell the difference between Babe Ruth hitting a home run - an act. And a statue, an image, made of Babe Ruth and placed in the hall of fame ?

In 2Thessalonians2:3-4, the Antichrist doesn't place any image of himself in the temple. It is an act. The image comes later, after he is killed and brought back to life.

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Its an IMAGE placed in the Temple, that is what the bible says in MANY PLACES. Of course that does't fit your KONG of Israel theory.

The Above TIME-LINE Charade still bother me, it lets me know you are not worrying about FACTS but trying to MAKE POINTS when you KNOW what my Time-frame is. That really bothers me, I would never do that to someone, and there is NO WAY you do not understand my TIME-FRAME because I am tired of repeating it to you. COME ON Brother...Get real at least.

Douggg said:

It is not a clerical error. It is an error in your understanding.

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Well YOU THINK that but you are wrong...And yes it was a small error, and yes as many times as I have stated the AOD is the 1290 you should now my position. Clerical means a TYPING ERROR. Just because you think I am wrong on the issue doesn't really mean I am.

Douggg said:

Now you wrtie "the Abomination starts 1290 day before the End times and lasts int the MIDWAY POINT....Get it now?"

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That's what I have been saying ALL THE Time, you just haven't understood what I am proffering, so either you aren't reading are just can't grasp it. The OP has a Pic at the bottom and I place below what I think should be the words in THE GRAPH.



Everything this Image says on it is wrong !! But the Graphics depict the Events as happening in the time-frame I see them happening in, thus everyone can understand my point of view.

Substitute this below for whats in the time-lines above !!

1.) 1335 Days from the time Israel repents until Jesus' Second Coming.

2.) 1290 Days from the Abomination of Desolation until Jesus' Second Coming.

3.) 1260 Days from the time Israel flees Judea until the Jesus' Second Coming.

Also, I see the Day of the Lord as 3.5 years not as this shows.

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My position couldn't be ANY CLEARER... I am starting to think you are a POSTER of Ideas but nit a reader of other peoples Ideas.

Douggg said:

No, I don't get your rationale and understanding at all. Why are you saying before the End times? I think you mean before Jesus returns in Revelation 19.

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What is the END TIME? The End of the Age...........then we start the 1000 Year reign under Christ. Its NOT THE SAME ever again, thus its the End of the Age. Daniel called it the APPOINTED TIME OF THE END !! So of course its the END TIME !!

Douggg said:

The AoD is prophesied to be setup in Daniel 12:11. 1290 days are associated with that idol being setup.

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No 1290 is the number of days to Jesus Christs Return or unto the END OF THESE WONDERS !!

The 1260 is the NUMBER of Days from the day the Holy People are SCATTERED until Jesus Returns!

The 1335 is an EVENT that happens before both of those EVENTS and I see it as the Two-witnesses showing up to BLESS the children of Israel.

Douggg said:

The idol will be there in the temple until the day that Jesus returns on day 2520 of the 7 years.

The event associated with the exact midpoint, day 1260, is the two witnesses being killed.

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No its not, the Two-witnesses die near the END. To be an engineer you can not seeming add and subtract very well brother.

Douggg said:

Differently, you have the abomination of desolation associated with the exact midpoint, day 1260, - because you are misinterpreting Daniel 9:27, the midst of the week, as meaning the exact midpoint day, not the middle part of the week.

With you latest "adjustment" - "the Abomination starts 1290 day before the End times and lasts int the MIDWAY POINT." are you admitting that you had it wrong about Daniel 9:27, the midst of the week being the exact midpoint of day 1260?

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I made no adjustment and I am finished here, if you can't add there is no use in me wasting my time brother. If you want to chat about the FULL SUBJECT (Dan. 11 & 12) I am game, but I am through with this time-line stuff. You do not understand the Midway point in the manner I do, and maybe never will. There is nothing we can do to adjudicate those differences.

Choose Wisely said:

Revealing Times...........can you reveal who the King of the North and the King of the South are????????

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In the OP I have a MAP/CHART that has all of the Kings of the North and the Kings of the South and I explain everything via my OP.

Are you speaking of the LAST King of the North and King of the South which would be future? The Last King of the North is the Anti-Christ....but do you want to know who he might be?

Douggg said:

In your scenario, is day 1230 on the 2520 day 7 year timeline - the day the AoD will be setup to be worshiped? Yes or No.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

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Yes....the 1290 is REVERSED, that is what I have been saying for 2 weeks here. The 1290 happens 1290 days from the Second coming and the 1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming and the 1260 happens 1260 days before the Second Coming.

Douggg said:

Malachi:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.


You have misunderstood Malachi 4:5-6. Elijah will soften their hearts in preparation for them embracing Jesus. Just as John the Baptist did, who came in the spirit of Elijah.

The Jews will not embrace Jesus until their perceived messiah, King of Israel, betrays them and the covenant of God being their God, as the ultimate convincing that they made a huge mistake. Part of the Jews will embrace Jesus immediately, and many Jews will as they flee into the wilderness, and when they get there. As the war in heaven takes place in Revelation 12:7-9.

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No I have not misunderstood brother. If you get off your the Anti-Christ is the King of Israel kick then maybe you could see it. Think of what happens as the PROOF.

1. Why would Israel FLEE to the Wilderness unless they had HEEDED their Messiah's voice?

2. Why would God protect Israel unless they had repented? 2/3 die. So the ones that Accept Christ lives, the ones who do not heed his voice die.

3. The 70th Week is designed to get Israel t repent, Jesus prophesied the next time they saw him they would WELCOME HIM saying Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord. They are saved before Jesus returns, ALL men must accept Christ BY FAITH.

There is no King of Israel that deceives them, they REPENT bed=fore the Day of the Lord. Rev. ch. 12 happens during Rev. ch. 6. as does Rev. ch. 13.

Douggg said:

In Revelation 12:10, bracketed comment by me.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them [the Jews] before our God day and night.

Obviously, gentiles have already received salvation ever since it was made available to gentiles after the Jews rejected it back in the first century. So Revelation 12:10 is not talking about gentiles. But about Jews.

Them who did not flee out of Jerusalem in time (the remanent of Israel's seed), will be trapped there and will be persecuted and are the ones Jesus will rescue in Zecharaiah 14 when He returns.

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This is just an overall observation by the Angel, Satan has been kicked out of Heaven and this signifies that the TIME OF JUDGMENT is at hand. Thus Salvation means those Martyrs who died will get their White Robes as will the Jews in the Wilderness. The Remnant Church who die are Gentiles who got saved after the Rapture.

Those who did not FLEE will die, 2/3 of the Jews die. Those rescued are the Jews in the Wilderness, I think they are the 144,000.

Douggg said:

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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REMNANT of HER SEED (Jesus is the SEED) are the Christian Church or Remnant Church. Why is it no one understand these are TWO ENTITIES here? Thus two mentions. One is protected, the OTHER is killed.