Are we mixed with giants or angels ?

sdowney717 said:

There are 2 basic groups of evil angels, the ones who left willingly their heavenly abode, they Jude mentions, they are all locked up in dungeons deep and gloomy to await judgement of the Great Day. They the ones who sinned and birthed the Nephilim giants.

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The others were forced unwillingly to leave heaven, they are still free to roam around, they are not yet locked up.

Revelation 12:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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when did this all take place

In light of Adam and Eve

Celestial beings are NOT demons, they are angelic by nature, this verse proves that.
The word celestial proves they are not of the earth but were of heaven, actually angels, both evil and holy angels are celestial beings, demons were never celestial beings.

Jude
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

2 Peter 2:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[a] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.

sdowney717 said:

An angel of God would be elect, a holy angel and would not preach a false gospel, but not all angels from heaven are holy elect angels of God, consider the ones that were cast to the earth, but they were still of a heavenly origin, they were not of this earth even though now roaming around as powers of the air.

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Why the confusion?


They are demonic spirits and not "angels from Heaven"

Or call them fallen angels but don't call them Angels from heaven

To the ignorant that implies something good since only angels from heaven would be viewed as still from and in Heaven

miknik5 said:

when did this all take place

In light of Adam and Eve

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After the fall.

There are neither Giants or angels living amongst us in visible fleshly bodies

sdowney717 said:

After the fall.

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Piecemeal?

Satan was cast out alone and after the fallen angels who left their abode looking and mingling with flesh, they were cast out too?

Two separate events?

sdowney717 said:

Celestial beings are NOT demons, they are angelic by nature, this verse proves that.
The word celestial proves they are not of the earth but were of heaven, actually angels, both evil and holy angels are celestial beings, demons were never celestial beings.

Jude
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

2 Peter 2:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[a] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.

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Evil angels are not in THE HEAVEN

They are in the lower created "heaven"

As in the air

miknik5 said:

There are neither Giants or angels living amongst us in visible fleshly bodies

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Demons and fallen angels are distinctly separate creatures. As the author notes, you wont find that in scripture, but only church tradition.
3 Subtle Distinctions Between Demons and Fallen Angels

sdowney717 said:

Demons and fallen angels are distinctly separate creatures. As the author notes, you wont find that in scripture, but only church tradition.
3 Subtle Distinctions Between Demons and Fallen Angels

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The author of a book?
A book telling us what GOD (might have said and meant) by HIS WORD?

Why would I read the words of men?

Can't I read THE WORD and pray and wait for a word from GOD?

miknik5 said:

The author of a book?
A book telling us what GOD (might have said and meant) by HIS WORD?

Why would I read the words of men?

Can't I read THE WORD and pray and wait for a word from GOD?

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Then why are you not listening to what the word says about the difference between demon and angel both 'fallen' and holy ones? The scripture is very clear here, you don't need to hear a word from wherever it might come, how do you know, see if the word you hear does not agree with what God already revealed in His scripture, it is a false word of Satan..and your deceived.

If i don't know I would rather not say or suggest anything bout it

And I certainly won't listen to men telling me what they think GOD said and meant


I'll just wait for GOD

sdowney717 said:

Then why are you not listening to what the word says about the difference between demon and angel both 'fallen' and holy ones?

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It's GOD's WORD
And we should know the difference between the angels of GOD and the fallen angels especially in context to what is being said in HIS WORD

No one ever needs to wait and hear a word from GOD to see if the scripture is true. The word of the LORD is sure - certain, making wise the simple.

Everything that I have been given to know I got from GOD leading and teaching me by HIS SPIRIT

That is why I won't read the words of men

If I need to know something HE'll tell me

If I don't need to know

That's fine too


I have what I need and what is most needful


But this thread is implying that men should be suspicious of other men because possibly they are a "bad seed"?

When all apart from hearing and believing and being reborn of HIS SPIRIT are in a sense not yet born of THAT SEED

But men are not demons or Giants

They are just men

And there are only two groups of men

Those who have entered in by way of THE DOOR (that being CHRIST)

And those still outside THE DOOR

sdowney717 said:

No one ever needs to wait and hear a word from GOD to see if the scripture is true. The word of the LORD is sure - certain, making wise the simple.

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But that isn't what I said now is it


I know THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH


But not all can discern and understand what can only be discerned and understood by HIS SPIRIT leading and teaching


Therefore there will be mixed amongst those who know HIS VOICE and SPIRIT those who dont


And both wil be speaking up

One with truth

The other with mixture of some truth along with opinions ideas thoughts notions and suggestions

miknik5 said:

Everything that I have been given to know I got from GOD leading and teaching me by HIS SPIRIT

That is why I won't read the words of men

If I need to know something HE'll tell me

If I don't need to know

That's fine too


I have what I need and what is most needful


But this thread is implying that men should be suspicious of other men because possibly they are a "bad seed"?

When all apart from hearing and believing and being reborn of HIS SPIRIT are in a sense not yet born of THAT SEED

But men are not demons or Giants

They are just men

And there are only two groups of men

Those who have entered in by way of THE DOOR (that being CHRIST)

And those still outside THE DOOR

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2 Timothy 3:14-17 New International Version (NIV)

14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

sdowney717 said:

2 Timothy 3:14-17 New International Version (NIV)

14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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Yes. I agree.

And grow up into THE HEAD unto the full measure of CHRIST a "perfect" man fit for every good work


(Which GOD has prepared in advance that you should walk in)


However Not all have reached the unity of faith

And that mature steadfast faith is directed in and on the person of JESUS CHRIST

Many are still running after things

I have the BETTER PART

And it is all that is needed

1 John 2

Be careful of what you began in

Lots of people have been mislead by spirits they assumed to be the Holy Spirit.
They have itching ears, they hear what they want to hear.

The elect of God, v6, Jesus said will know the truth, and the truth will set them free.
God has shone His light out from within our (believers) hearts, He chose us, while Satan blinds the minds of the unbelievers who are persihing.
God chose to shine his light in us and so then we believe. He shone that light in us even when we were dead in trespasses and sins, according to His mercy and love towards us whom He foreknew as His own special people from before the foundation of the world.

2 Corinthians 4
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.

6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Also another thing


We are told not to go beyond what is written