For all that fear hell

mkgal1 · Feb 19, 2018

Doug Melven said:
8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Who is the "them" (because it's not "us" as in you and me....we were never "under the Old Covenant")?

Is the New Covenant *only* pertaining to "the House of Israel and with the house of Judah" or is that something symbolic-or something else- since the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed?

Doug Melven said:
In verse 8, when He says "finding fault with them", it was us humans that were faulty because of our sin nature.
Because we could not keep the Old Covenant, He made a New Covenant

I didn't realize we (Gentiles) were *ever* under the Old Covenant.

The "fault" was their rejection of Christ....and His death was the end of the covenant with them.

“If only you had known on this day what would bring you peace! But now it is hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side. 44They will level you to the ground—you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”~Luke 19:42-44

As long as the temple stood, it signified the continuation of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 9:8-9 refers to the age that was passing away as the new covenant was being established (Hebrews 8:13). Is the temple still standing....or did it "disappear" in 70AD (which was in the future when the book of Hebrews in the Bible was written)?

And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear.~Hebrews 8:13

mkgal1 · Feb 19, 2018

Doug Melven said:
No.
Pilate didn't even want to crucify Jesus.
Pilate found no fault in Jesus, wanted to release Him.
Pilate washed his hands of the whole thing.
Pilate would have released Barabbas, but the Jews would not have that.

That's true, but my point originally was that as far as it's recorded.....the accusation that Pilate was aware of was that Jesus claimed to be King of the Jews.

Hillsage · Feb 19, 2018

Doug Melven said:
No.
Pilate didn't even want to crucify Jesus.

Then how did He get crucified by the Roman soldiers. :doh:

I doesn't matter if he 'wanted' to crucify Jesus, it was the word of Pilate that commanded it be done.

Pilate found no fault in Jesus, wanted to release Him.
Pilate washed his hands of the whole thing.

What did that symbolize? Washing his hand of f the blood he was shedding by ordering the crucifixion.

Pilate would have released Barabbas, but the Jews would not have that.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand. None of this is germane IMO. Pilate DID NOT release Jesus, he ordered He be crucified. PERIOD.

mkgal1 · Feb 19, 2018

Regarding "the New Israel" (new church--new earth):

The covenant with David (2Kg 7:1-29; 23:1-5; Ps 88:1-37; Is 55:3, 4) and his son Solomon (3Kg 8:1-9:9). This covenant establishes the house of David forever: “His seed shall remain forever, and his throne as the sun before Me” (Ps 88:37). From this promise comes the expectation of a great King and Savior, David’s descendant (Jer 23:5, 6) who will deliver Israel [the Church] from all her enemies and will rule the earth with righteousness and peace.

The New Testament (or New Covenant), prophesied by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah, is inaugurated on earth by Jesus Christ, the “Son of David” (Mt 21:9-11; Mk 10:46-48), the one Shepherd (Jn 10:1-16, 25-28) who comes to gather all people to Himself in spiritual unity and who sends the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26) on Pentecost to dwell in His followers. Jesus declares at the Last Supper, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood” (Lk 22:20), thus directly linking this new covenant with a covenant meal-the Eucharist. Calling Christ the “Mediator of a better covenant” (Heb 8:6), the Book of Hebrews dramatically demonstrated how He fulfills and supersedes the old covenant made with the Israelites (3:1-10:22).

In the Church, the New Israel (Gal 6:12-16; see 2Co 3:12-18; Eph 2:11-16; Mt 21:33-46), we all have the opportunity to experience the spiritual joy of the new covenant as a foretaste of the heavenly kingdom (Heb 12:18-24), in which believers from all nations will rejoice with God eternally. Hence, it is very fitting that every Diving Liturgy begins with the proclamation, “Blessed is the Kingdom!”~God's Covenant

mkgal1 · Feb 19, 2018

Hebrews 8:1-2

The High Priest of a New Covenant

1Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

When did He (Son of Man)....."sit down at the right hand of the throne"? Personally....I believe "the days that were coming" (at the time.....but are now in the past) are what we find recorded in Matthew 24:29-30:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,

when I will make a new covenant

with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah.

9It will not be like the covenant

I made with their ancestors

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of Egypt,

because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,

and I turned away from them~Hebrews 8:8-9

rjs330 · Feb 19, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Well......that sounds like a pretty disturbed way to love us (in my opinion).

.....and I believe He is not disappointed in that. I believe He will be victorious.

He will be victorious! Because the righteous will be saved and the wicked will receive their eternal punishment. God would not be victorious if all men no matter what they did in life and no matter if they rejected Christ or not got eternal life. God would be mocked if all men were given eternal life in the end.

God is victorious because he will not be mocked. Wickedness does not win but receives just recompense for wickedness done. God is victorious because only those who believe are saved thus proving God correct in his declaration and in his judgement.

rjs330 · Feb 19, 2018

mkgal1 said:
You're right.

What about the rest of what God says. Is he right about that as well? Is God only right that Jesus died to save the world or is He also right when he says few there be that find salvation? Which one is God right about? Is He right about only those who believe have eternal life? Confirm your beliefs to what the Bible actually says rather than your wish it says.

Doug Melven · Feb 19, 2018

A good place to see what rjs330 is saying in post 226 is Psalm 1.
4 But the ungodly are not so but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

I think that is pretty clear.

sdowney717 · Feb 20, 2018

Luke 3:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

The wheat (his elect saved believers) are gathered into His barn (God's house) , the chaff burned up (wicked dead in hell thrown into the lake of fire,). Each one goes to his own place.

You know if your disobedient to the command of God to repent and believe the gospel, read Acts 17, your wicked and dead, you have a reprobate mind.

Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

sdowney717 · Feb 20, 2018

Matthew 13:47-48 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Parable of the Dragnet
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away.

rjs330 · Feb 20, 2018

“Who then are the faithful and wise servants whom their master puts in charge of giving food at the right time to those who live in his house?Happy are those servants whom the master finds fulfilling their responsibilities when he comes.I assure you that he will put them in charge of all his possessions.But suppose those bad servants should say to themselves, My master won’t come until later.And suppose they began to beat their fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunks?The master of those servants will come on a day when they are not expecting him, at a time they couldn’t predict.He will cut them in pieces and put them in a place with the hypocrites. People there will be weeping and grinding their teeth. - Matthew 24:45-51 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24:45-51 - Common English Bible

Cutting them to pieces and putting people in a place with hypocrites where there is weeping and grinding of teeth doesn't sound like everyone gets saved to.me.

In fact if you read the next chapter it is even more clear.

Then we have the people who.claim to so things for Christ but in the end he says depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you.

rjs330 · Feb 20, 2018

Then there's this .

“Then those servants went to the roads and gathered everyone they found, both evil and good. The wedding party was full of guests.Now when the king came in and saw the guests, he spotted a man who wasn’t wearing wedding clothes.He said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But he was speechless.Then the king said to his servants, ‘Tie his hands and feet and throw him out into the farthest darkness. People there will be weeping and grinding their teeth.’“Many people are invited, but few people are chosen.” - Matthew 22:10-14 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:10-14 - Common English Bible

This indicates that people are invited to be I the kingdom. But not all make it in because of the choice they have made. They are summarily destroyed because they are not part of the wedding party. The wicked may be saved if they become one in Christ. If not they are doomed.

Ronald · Feb 20, 2018

KrisPablos said:
I know it is written that God punishes but as I found God, Jesus Christ i can see that He can't do that. The one who punishes is the devil. It's when you feel something that is sweet, pleasurable and you commit your soul to that something and start to go on that road but realize, later, on your surprise, that you are infront of a dead end . The devil or, in psychological terms can be called "The sadist within", is the one who enjoys to see you suffer.
So when you go on that road God, Jesus Christ won't punish you but the devil.

The good news is that God, Jesus Christ is much, much stronger than the devil. It can't even be compared. So following His path will make the devil and all of his efforts pointless and the devil will fear you.

Thank you God for letting me see this and for letting me know how great you are. I love you more than anything in the world.

You sound young in the faith. People want to think of God as Love only, forgiving and merciful. But He is a God of Justice and sin needs to be judged. Your faith must be based on the Word of God. So do not just pick and choose the scriptures that are welcoming to you, gentle and kind. You must accept that some day, Judgment will come upon the earth and destroy unbelievers who were given the opportunity. The gospel has been spread to every nation, and so the end will come soon (Matthew 24:14). Sin and evil need to be eradicated from the planet before we can all get along. The nations will never create world peace and solve all it's problems until this is done.

sdowney717 · Feb 20, 2018

Ronald said:
You sound young in the faith. People want to think of God as Love only, forgiving and merciful. But He is a God of Justice and sin needs to be judged. Your faith must be based on the Word of God. So do not just pick and choose the scriptures that are welcoming to you, gentle and kind. You must accept that some day, Judgment will come upon the earth and destroy unbelievers who were given the opportunity. The gospel has been spread to every nation, and so the end will come soon (Matthew 24:14). Sin and evil need to be eradicated from the planet before we can all get along. The nations will never create world peace and solve all it's problems until this is done.

Some saved people feel the love of God and it seems apply it to a sinful world to have the same relationship they have with God?
Like you say, God will destroy the wicked, those who do not obey the gospel with an everlasting destruction at His second appearing. Ignorance is no excuse, wickedness must be judged.

2 thessalonians 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Footnotes:

Hillsage · Feb 20, 2018

rjs330 said:
He will be victorious! Because the righteous will be saved and the wicked will receive their eternal punishment. God would not be victorious if all men no matter what they did in life and no matter if they rejected Christ or not got eternal life.

You sound like you think that the sins unbelievers commit (including those who've never heard the name Jesus) are less grievous to God than the sin you still commit. Don't think more highly of their sin than you ought, and don't think more lowly of yours than you should either.

God would be mocked if all men were given eternal life in the end.

No, God would not be mocked 'according to scripture' He would be glorified;

PHI 2:10 that AT the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The Greek context of "AT/en" the name of Jesus is not talking about saying the name because you have been beaten into submission and 'that' forced confession brings glory to God. That word means you have submitted relationally to Jesus and are resting in Him.

1722 en: position (in place, time or state), and (by impl.) instrumentality (medically or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest; "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.

God is victorious because he will not be mocked. Wickedness does not win but receives just recompense for wickedness done. God is victorious because only those who believe are saved thus proving God correct in his declaration and in his judgement.

I just proved scripturally above you're wrong. Prove your opinion with scripture or just realize we disagree, for a biblical reason and not just your indoctrinated pre dispositional opinion.

mkgal1 · Feb 20, 2018

rjs330 said:
This indicates that people are invited to be I the kingdom. But not all make it in because of the choice they have made. They are summarily destroyed because they are not part of the wedding party. The wicked may be saved if they become one in Christ. If not they are doomed.

I don't see the qualifications to be about "a choice they have made". "Putting on the righteousness of Christ" isn't as much a "choice" as it is behavior (from an internal heart of genuine love).

Matthew was originally written to a Jewish culture...they didn't have an understanding of an "everlasting hell". This also was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. I believe what is often mistaken for "everlasting hell" is actually the everlasting destruction of the Jewish age....the destruction of the Old Covenant....and the broken covenant with Jesus and His chosen people (with His death ends the covenant)....and that is mainly what this parable is about. Notice the beginning of the parable:

Once more Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying: ‘The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding banquet, but they would not come. Again he sent other slaves, saying, “Tell those who have been invited: Look, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready; come to the wedding banquet.” But they made light of it and went away, one to his farm, another to his business, while the rest seized his slaves, maltreated them, and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. Then he said to his slaves, “The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy. Go therefore into the main streets, and invite everyone you find to the wedding banquet.”

This part seems to get missed, but is the whole context.

N. T. Wright explains this difficult parable in this way....
This story is about the coming of God's kingdom, and in particular the arrival of the Messiah.

Israel's leaders in Jesus' day, and the many people who followed them, were like guests invited to a wedding--God's wedding party, the party he was throwing for his son. But they had refused. Galilee had refused, for the most part; think back to Jesus' sad warnings in 11.20-24. Now Jerusalem was refusing the invitation as well. God was planning the great party for which they had waited so long. The Messiah was here, and they didn't want to know. They abused and killed the prophets who had tried to tell them about it, and the result was that their city would be destroyed.

But now for the good news--though it wasn't good news for the people who were originally invited. God was sending out new messengers, to the wrong parts of town, to tell everyone and anyone to come to the party. And they came in droves. We don't have to look far in Matthew's gospel to see who they were. The tax-collectors, the prostitutes, the riff-raff, the nobodies, the blind and lame, the people who thought they'd been forgotten. They were thrilled that God's message was for them after all.

But there was a difference between this wide-open invitation and the message so many want to hear today. We want to hear that everyone is all right exactly as they are; that God loves us as we are and doesn't want us to change. People often say this when they want to justify particular types of behaviour, but the argument doesn't work. When the blind and lame came to Jesus, he didn't say, 'You're all right as you are.' He healed them. They wouldn't have been satisfied with anything less. When the prostitutes and extortioners came to Jesus (or, for that matter, to John the Baptist), he didn't say, 'You're all right as you are'. His love reached them where they were, but his love refused to let them stay as they were. Love wants the best for the beloved. Their lives were transformed, healed, changed.

Actually, nobody really believes that God wants everyone to stay exactly as they are. God loves serial killers and child-molesters; God loves ruthless and arrogant businessmen; God loves manipulative mothers who damage their children's emotions for life. But the point of God's love is that he wants them to change. He hates what they're doing and the effect it has on everyone else--and on themselves, too. Ultimately, if he's a good God, he cannot allow that sort of behaviour, and that sort of person, if they don't change, to remain for ever in the party he's throwing for his son. That is the point of the end of the story, which is otherwise very puzzling. Of course, within the story itself it sounds quite arbitrary. Where did all these other guests get their wedding costumes from? If the servants just herded them in, how did they have time to change their clothes? Why should this one man be thrown out because he didn't have the right thing to wear? Isn't that just the sort of social exclusion that the gospel rejects? Well, yes, of course, at that level. But that's not how parables work. The point of the story is that Jesus is telling the truth, the truth that political and religious leaders often like to hide: the truth that God's kingdom is a kingdom in which love and justice and truth and mercy and holiness reign unhindered. They are the clothes you need to wear for the wedding. And if you refuse to put them on, you are saying you don't want to stay at the party.~The Parable of the Wedding Feast

mkgal1 · Feb 20, 2018

Ronald said:
The gospel has been spread to every nation, and so the end will come soon (Matthew 24:14).

That end *has* already come:

------>Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 24

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

Signs of the Close of the Age

As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Abomination of Desolation

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath~The end of the Jewish age: the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

Ronald · Feb 20, 2018

mkgal1 said:
That end *has* already come:

------>Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 24

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

Signs of the Close of the Age

As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Abomination of Desolation

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath~The end of the Jewish age: the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

You are a Prederist. That question was a two-part question the disciples asked, one about the fall of Jerusalem and the second part about His Second Coming/ the end of the age.
Jerusalem was a small town, small change compared to judgment that will come upon the entire world. The Bible says all nations will attack Israel in the end times, not just Roman empire. The gospel just got off the ground, epistles written and the spreading to every nation was in its beginnings.
The Second Coming Jesus spoke of will effect the entire world "as in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming if the Son of Man"". God destroyed the world with a flood and there were many millions. Now there are 7.4 billion.
God did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. And since man cannot remove sin, God must. So this plan for humanity as we know it is finite and our salvation is eternal. All former things will pass away, death and Hades will be cast into the Lake of Fire and destroyed _ along with Satan and his demonic horde - or do you also think that happened in 70 A.D. too?

Doug Melven · Feb 20, 2018

Hillsage said:
The Greek context of "AT/en" the name of Jesus is not talking about saying the name because you have been beaten into submission and 'that' forced confession brings glory to God. That word means you have submitted relationally to Jesus and are resting in Him.

You get that from this?
A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place time or state) and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively) that is a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537);
in at (up-) on by etc.: - about after against + almost X altogether among X as at before between (here-) by (+ all means) for (. . . sake of) + give self wholly to (here-) in (-to -wardly) X mightily (because) of (up-) on [open-] ly X outwardly one X quickly X shortly [speedi-] ly X that X there (-in -on) through (-out) (un-) to(-ward) under when where (-with) while with (-in). Often used in compounds with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion and then not to indicate direction except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) prep.

I may not be able to read Greek, but even I can see that your conclusion is way off base.

When these people see God's glory, they will be overwhelmed and will bow there knees.
But they will not be repentant. If they were the scene in Revelation 20 would not occur.

sdowney717 · Feb 20, 2018

Ronald said:
You are a Prederist. That question was a two-part question the disciples asked, one about the fall of Jerusalem and the second part about His Second Coming/ the end of the age.
Jerusalem was a small town, small change compared to judgment that will come upon the entire world. The Bible says all nations will attack Israel in the end times, not just Roman empire. The gospel just got off the ground, epistles written and the spreading to every nation was in its beginnings.
The Second Coming Jesus spoke of will effect the entire world "as in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming if the Son of Man"". God destroyed the world with a flood and there were many millions. Now there are 7.4 billion.
God did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. And since man cannot remove sin, God must. So this plan for humanity as we know it is finite and our salvation is eternal. All former things will pass away, death and Hades will be cast into the Lake of Fire and destroyed _ along with Satan and his demonic horde - or do you also think that happened in 70 A.D. too?

Yes, the second coming will affect the whole world, another verse shows this here in Luke 21.
The destruction in 70Ad was a local destruction only. The rest of the world experienced nothing.

34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

37 And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet. 38 Then early in the morning all the people came to Him in the temple to hear Him.

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