Will Jesus really not lose a single believer? (John 6:37-40)

Neostarwcc · Feb 17, 2018

Okay so, the fact of Jesus not losing a single believer has been bothering me ever since I first became a Christian 5 years ago. So, I asked a member on here about 7 months ago who understands Greek what John 6:37-40 meant and he said that Jesus was saying that he would not lose a single believer and all bible translations have it correct. Bible translations that have should in place of shall or "I lose nothing" are all correct translations. To me the most clear translation of these verses is in the NIV which has it as "Of all those the father has given me I shall lose none of it but raise it up on the last day"

To me nothing can be more clearer than that. He also said that the greek word translated as "should" in the KJV can also be translated as "must". But, is this really the case? He seemed knowledgeable and I don't want to doubt the words of my Lord and Savior but... is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? Is it really true that of all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life? Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves? That would mean that I am getting a new body because I believe in Jesus. That means that I was chosen by God. That every single person who ever comes to Jesus for salvation will get a new body and they were all chosen by him for salvation. So... the bible must be true on this subject, right?

Strong in Him · Feb 17, 2018

If Jesus says he will, or will not, do something; that's good enough for me.
I may not understand it, like it or know the reasons for it - but he can, and will, keep his own word and do the things that he has said.

Otherwise, there'd be no reason for him to say them, and we'd be in the position of not knowing which of his words we could believe.

Albion · Feb 17, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
...is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? Is it really true that of all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life? Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves?

I dont see any reason to doubt any of that.

That would mean that I am getting a new body because I believe in Jesus. That means that I was chosen by God. That every single person who ever comes to Jesus for salvation will get a new body and they were all chosen by him for salvation. So... the bible must be true on this subject, right?

Right.

eleos1954 · Feb 17, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so, the fact of Jesus not losing a single believer has been bothering me ever since I first became a Christian 5 years ago. So, I asked a member on here about 7 months ago who understands Greek what John 6:37-40 meant and he said that Jesus was saying that he would not lose a single believer and all bible translations have it correct. Bible translations that have should in place of shall or "I lose nothing" are all correct translations. To me the most clear translation of these verses is in the NIV which has it as "Of all those the father has given me I shall lose none of it but raise it up on the last day"

To me nothing can be more clearer than that. He also said that the greek word translated as "should" in the KJV can also be translated as "must". But, is this really the case? He seemed knowledgeable and I don't want to doubt the words of my Lord and Savior but... is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? Is it really true that of all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life? Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves? That would mean that I am getting a new body because I believe in Jesus. That means that I was chosen by God. That every single person who ever comes to Jesus for salvation will get a new body and they were all chosen by him for salvation. So... the bible must be true on this subject, right?

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so, the fact of Jesus not losing a single believer has been bothering me ever since I first became a Christian 5 years ago. So, I asked a member on here about 7 months ago who understands Greek what John 6:37-40 meant and he said that Jesus was saying that he would not lose a single believer and all bible translations have it correct. Bible translations that have should in place of shall or "I lose nothing" are all correct translations. To me the most clear translation of these verses is in the NIV which has it as "Of all those the father has given me I shall lose none of it but raise it up on the last day"

To me nothing can be more clearer than that. He also said that the greek word translated as "should" in the KJV can also be translated as "must". But, is this really the case? He seemed knowledgeable and I don't want to doubt the words of my Lord and Savior but... is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? Is it really true that of all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life? Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves? That would mean that I am getting a new body because I believe in Jesus. That means that I was chosen by God. That every single person who ever comes to Jesus for salvation will get a new body and they were all chosen by him for salvation. So... the bible must be true on this subject, right?[/QUOTE

Paul puts everything in a nutshell here, as far as believers. The first resurrection.

1 Thessaloninans

14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

1 John 3:2-3

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Greg J. · Feb 18, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so, the fact of Jesus not losing a single believer has been bothering me ever since I first became a Christian 5 years ago. So, I asked a member on here about 7 months ago who understands Greek what John 6:37-40 meant and he said that Jesus was saying that he would not lose a single believer and all bible translations have it correct. Bible translations that have should in place of shall or "I lose nothing" are all correct translations. To me the most clear translation of these verses is in the NIV which has it as "Of all those the father has given me I shall lose none of it but raise it up on the last day"

To me nothing can be more clearer than that. He also said that the greek word translated as "should" in the KJV can also be translated as "must". But, is this really the case? He seemed knowledgeable and I don't want to doubt the words of my Lord and Savior but... is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? Is it really true that of all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life? Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves? That would mean that I am getting a new body because I believe in Jesus. That means that I was chosen by God. That every single person who ever comes to Jesus for salvation will get a new body and they were all chosen by him for salvation. So... the bible must be true on this subject, right?

The Father has not told us which people he has given to Jesus, and we can't tell by human intuition, logic, or wisdom.

But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first. (Matthew 19:30, 1984 NIV)

If a person wanders away from Jesus, he will go looking for her (Luke 15:4), but Jesus is not going to force anyone to go with him. In other words, Jesus will not be responsible for losing anyone, but people will be responsible for rejecting him.

1213 · Feb 18, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
... is it really the case that Jesus will not lose a single believer? ...

I think it depends on, what believer means. After all, even demons are some kind of believers.

You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe, and shudder.
James 2:19

And many believe that God exists, but still it is said:

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.' "Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.
Matt. 7:21-24

Bible tells, eternal life is for righteous and righteous lives, because he is faithful/loyal to God. So, if person believes what Jesus said and is faithful to Jesus and God, he has a chance.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

But the righteous will live by faith. If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:38

sdowney717 · Feb 19, 2018

We are confident of our salvation, anything less is not of faith but doubt. God is at work within you to do and to work of His own good pleasure.

2 Corinthians 5:4-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.

5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.

Philippians 1:1-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting
1 Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ,

To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thankfulness and Prayer
3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, 5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; 7 just as it is right for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as both in my chains and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers with me of grace.

Ron Gurley · Feb 19, 2018

OP: Is it really the case that:

1. Jesus will not lose a single believer?

John 10

2. all those the Father gives to Jesus he will raise them all on the last day and they all have eternal life?

John 6:39-40,44,54
This is the will of Him who sent Me,
that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

3. Nobody can pluck them out of Jesus and the Father's hand? Not even themselves? (OSAS!)

John 10

Romans 8:35-39

Once a spirit-led BELIEVER...ALWAYS a spirit-led BELIEVER.

God does not take back His John 3 as explained in Ephesian 2 ...spiritual GIFTS!

4. I am getting a new (spiritual) body (in heaven) because I believe in Jesus.

A Beautiful Promise!

All believers are promised "spirit-bodies" LIKE Jesus the God-Man WITHOUT ANY needs of the "flesh"...(sarx,soma)
without ANY needs of their old deceased Body / Soul combo...their old "dust".

1 Corinthians 15: 42-49 (NASB) ...Jesus' Resurrection promises all believers a "spiritual body"

Philippians 3 : 10, 20 (NIV1984) Jesus: "glorious body"

1 John 3:2

Romans 6:5

Romans 8:11

Mark 12:25
For when they rise from the dead,
they neither marry nor are given in marriage,
but are LIKE angels in heaven. (spirit beings)

5. chosen / foreknown by God for salvation

Romans 8:30
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

John 17
22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity,
so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
24 Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am,
so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 “O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You;
and these have known that You sent Me;
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known,
so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Strong in Him · Feb 20, 2018

Greg J. said:
The Father has not told us which people he has given to Jesus,

That's easy - Jesus died for everyone.

Not everyone will be saved; as you say, people will be held responsible, and judged, for rejecting him.
But all CAN be saved. The thought that God might be saying, "Jesus died for you, but not for you; for him but not for her", is incorrect.

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