I cant bring myself to trust God. Help?

Neostarwcc · Feb 18, 2018

Okay so here's the problem. Ever since becoming a Christian 5 years ago I've strongly doubted my salvation and I've had a really hard time bringing myself to just trusting God to save me. I'm getting really sick and tired of my prayers to God being begging him for salvation. Pretty much every time I pray to God/Jesus I beg him to have mercy on me for reasons I won't discuss here and I'm getting sick of the lack of reply. For once I would like God to come back to me and say "Shane don't be an idiot of course you are saved." But, no God wants blind faith without any purpose or cause. God wants me to have faith that I am saved myself instead of coming down from heaven and telling me that. God used to reply to me but I haven't had a reply from God in years. It's like God has abandoned and forsaken me. I know, there are multiple verses in the Bible that say that God will never leave or forsake me or any other Christian but.. for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible.

I am such a horrible Christian. I barely donate my time or energy to help others, I barely help my wife, I barely even help myself. It's almost like... I don't care at all. Jesus is supposed to be my Lord and Savior. I call him Lord all of the time. When I am depressed I think of him and it makes me happy. When I am in a psychotic episode I think of him and it helps me get through it. When I look back I long to see him but of course he isn't there. He's never there. I'm looking so forward to the day that I die so that I can finally meet my Lord. So that I can spend an eternity with him and with God. That is, if I'm saved. If death is truly eternal blackness I'll welcome that too. I cannot wait for death to take me away. Last night I stopped breathing in my sleep and I woke up gasping. Then I hated myself for gasping even though it was an involuntary movement. Simply put I wanted to die so that I could have a better life than what I have now. Between having to live with my mental illness.

Don't get me wrong. I'm happy and I'm definitely not suicidal. I'm happily married, I'm in a kind and loving family and my life has made lots of changes for the better ever since I found Jesus. I just... am looking so forward to death that it's not even funny. I mean, I think that my life is great now when I'm alive (For the most part. Wish I didn't have to deal with the things I have to deal with). When I'm dead my life is going to be 50,000,000,000x better. If I am saved that is. Hell, even if I'm not saved I won't have to deal with my mental illness anymore as I'm burning in the pits of hell. Then again maybe I will. It'd be hell XD. Still looking more forward to that than to living here.

That's the whole thing. If I'm saved. The Bible says I'm saved. Many Christians would say I'm saved because, I have faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior and I will remain faithful to him until the day I die. I made that decision when I accepted Jesus like 5 years ago so therefore, I am saved. Jesus has shown me every sign under the sun aside from coming down from heaven himself and telling me himself that I am saved. I mean... I'm so stupid! Why do I doubt my own salvation when so many signs in this world from the Bible, to the words of other Christians, to even God himself show that I AM saved! So why do I doubt it? Mental illness? Maybe that's part of it. Stupidity? That's probably most of it. Some really big jerky Christians who try to shove their own warped opinions down my throat? That's part of it too. I mean, when I made the decision to follow Jesus 5 years ago that sealed the deal. I probably got saved that day. I should have faith that I got saved that day. I mean God made a pretty solid case that day that he exists and that I am saved so why? Why do I doubt it?

And one really nagging thought that I want to get out of my head. The fact that I had my salvation and lost it when I said and did some things that I couldn't help because of my mental illness. I wish I could bash that nagging thought out of my head. Especially when the Bible is pretty clear on the subject. You cannot lose your salvation. Jesus will not lose a single believer which includes me. Why do I think that I'm always the exception to that rule? No, I'm not. I am saved.

Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Do I have to wait for death to finally not have doubts anymore? But, I think that even if I died right now at this moment, saw Jesus with my own eyes and he assured me of my salvation I'd still doubt it *eyeroll*.

Sam91 · Feb 18, 2018

Hi, I'd be a hypocrite to pretend I have the answers but I hope this helps.

Proverbs 3:5-6 I'm pointing out the 'lean not on your own understanding' part.

I love this song at the moment. It is one of my favourites. I listened to it on repeat at least 7 times about 3 weeks ago. I hope you are blessed by it.

God bless you

Neostarwcc · Feb 18, 2018

Sam91 said:
Hi, I'd be a hypocrite to pretend I have the answers but I hope this helps.

Proverbs 3:5-6 I'm pointing out the 'lean not on your own understanding' part.

I love this song at the moment. It is one of my favourites. I listened to it on repeat at least 7 times about 3 weeks ago. I hope you are blessed by it.

God bless you

I know only God can say whether or not a person is saved. I know I'm supposed to have faith and it is faith that saves. Thank you for the song it helped me. I'll have to add it to my spotify playlist.

Sam91 · Feb 18, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
I know only God can say whether or not a person is saved. I know I'm supposed to have faith and it is faith that saves. Thank you for the song it helped me. I'll have to add it to my spotify playlist.

I was blessed to listen to it again tonight, so thank you for reminding me of it

St_Worm2 · Feb 18, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so here's the problem. Ever since becoming a Christian 5 years ago I've strongly doubted my salvation and I've had a really hard time bringing myself to just trusting God to save me. I'm getting really sick and tired of my prayers to God being begging him for salvation. Pretty much every time I pray to God/Jesus I beg him to have mercy on me for reasons I won't discuss here and I'm getting sick of the lack of reply. For once I would like God to come back to me and say "Shane don't be an idiot of course you are saved." But, no God wants blind faith without any purpose or cause. God wants me to have faith that I am saved myself instead of coming down from heaven and telling me that. God used to reply to me but I haven't had a reply from God in years. It's like God has abandoned and forsaken me. I know, there are multiple verses in the Bible that say that God will never leave or forsake me or any other Christian but.. for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible.

Hi Shane, I'm very sorry to hear about the struggles you're having right now brother (I am praying for you).

My first thought is this, have you brought this to your pastor's attention yet? If not, that's the first place I would start. In fact, my pastor is normally the first person I call whenever life's problems begin to feel a little to big to handle, because God has given our pastors (our underservants in Christ) the job of keeping watch over our souls on this side of Glory .. e.g. Hebrews 13:17. This would allow him to help and encourage you directly, as well give him the information he needs to be praying for you.

My second thought is a similar one, have you brought this up to those in church you are close to as well, perhaps the members of your small group? There is nothing like the fellowship of a local body of believers to surround us, love on us, encourage us, pray for us, and help get us back on our spiritual "feet" (so to speak), especially when something in life is as troubling as the problem you're dealing with now is! It's one of the reasons God gave us the church, because in doing so, He also gave us to each other

.. e.g Proverbs 27:17; John 13:34-35; Galatians 6:10; Hebrews 10:24-25.

Whoops, I have to run, but I will return later (Dv) as there is more that I'd like to say, especially about the spiritual battle we all face and how to deal with it.

God bless you! (Numbers 6:24-26; Isaiah 40:31; Isaiah 41:10; Jeremiah 29:11; Philippians 1:6, 2:13, Hebrews 7:25)

--David

dreadnought · Feb 18, 2018

Trusting the Lord, of course, is one of our assignments.

Bee_Brian · Feb 18, 2018

mmbattlestar...

Your words reminded me of a particular passage in Matthew 6. I have it memorized, and here it is...

Therefore, do not be anxious saying "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear?" For the Gentiles seek after all these things and your Heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Therefore, do not be anxious about tomorrow for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

My friend, you may wonder why your post reminded me of the above passage. My answer is this...

Paradise is our future as a child of God. That is given. He won't deny us the great promise. At the same time, today is also meant to be enjoyed. You must live in the present moment and the present moment only. You must do what makes you happy instead of worrying about the distant future.

I ask you to ask yourself this: What are my REAL problems? What can I do today that would make me happy today?

I think that by shifting your attention to NOW, your problems will fix themselves. After all, NOW is all that we really have. We've lived the past and we are not in the future yet. NOW is the only thing that matters.

God bless you and have a great night.

longwait · Feb 19, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so here's the problem. Ever since becoming a Christian 5 years ago I've strongly doubted my salvation and I've had a really hard time bringing myself to just trusting God to save me. I'm getting really sick and tired of my prayers to God being begging him for salvation. Pretty much every time I pray to God/Jesus I beg him to have mercy on me for reasons I won't discuss here and I'm getting sick of the lack of reply. For once I would like God to come back to me and say "Shane don't be an idiot of course you are saved." But, no God wants blind faith without any purpose or cause. God wants me to have faith that I am saved myself instead of coming down from heaven and telling me that. God used to reply to me but I haven't had a reply from God in years. It's like God has abandoned and forsaken me. I know, there are multiple verses in the Bible that say that God will never leave or forsake me or any other Christian but.. for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible.

I am such a horrible Christian. I barely donate my time or energy to help others, I barely help my wife, I barely even help myself. It's almost like... I don't care at all. Jesus is supposed to be my Lord and Savior. I call him Lord all of the time. When I am depressed I think of him and it makes me happy. When I am in a psychotic episode I think of him and it helps me get through it. When I look back I long to see him but of course he isn't there. He's never there. I'm looking so forward to the day that I die so that I can finally meet my Lord. So that I can spend an eternity with him and with God. That is, if I'm saved. If death is truly eternal blackness I'll welcome that too. I cannot wait for death to take me away. Last night I stopped breathing in my sleep and I woke up gasping. Then I hated myself for gasping even though it was an involuntary movement. Simply put I wanted to die so that I could have a better life than what I have now. Between having to live with my mental illness.

Don't get me wrong. I'm happy and I'm definitely not suicidal. I'm happily married, I'm in a kind and loving family and my life has made lots of changes for the better ever since I found Jesus. I just... am looking so forward to death that it's not even funny. I mean, I think that my life is great now when I'm alive (For the most part. Wish I didn't have to deal with the things I have to deal with). When I'm dead my life is going to be 50,000,000,000x better. If I am saved that is. Hell, even if I'm not saved I won't have to deal with my mental illness anymore as I'm burning in the pits of hell. Then again maybe I will. It'd be hell XD. Still looking more forward to that than to living here.

That's the whole thing. If I'm saved. The Bible says I'm saved. Many Christians would say I'm saved because, I have faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior and I will remain faithful to him until the day I die. I made that decision when I accepted Jesus like 5 years ago so therefore, I am saved. Jesus has shown me every sign under the sun aside from coming down from heaven himself and telling me himself that I am saved. I mean... I'm so stupid! Why do I doubt my own salvation when so many signs in this world from the Bible, to the words of other Christians, to even God himself show that I AM saved! So why do I doubt it? Mental illness? Maybe that's part of it. Stupidity? That's probably most of it. Some really big jerky Christians who try to shove their own warped opinions down my throat? That's part of it too. I mean, when I made the decision to follow Jesus 5 years ago that sealed the deal. I probably got saved that day. I should have faith that I got saved that day. I mean God made a pretty solid case that day that he exists and that I am saved so why? Why do I doubt it?

And one really nagging thought that I want to get out of my head. The fact that I had my salvation and lost it when I said and did some things that I couldn't help because of my mental illness. I wish I could bash that nagging thought out of my head. Especially when the Bible is pretty clear on the subject. You cannot lose your salvation. Jesus will not lose a single believer which includes me. Why do I think that I'm always the exception to that rule? No, I'm not. I am saved.

Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Do I have to wait for death to finally not have doubts anymore? But, I think that even if I died right now at this moment, saw Jesus with my own eyes and he assured me of my salvation I'd still doubt it *eyeroll*.

Rebuke the spirit of doubt in Jesus name the moment you get such thoughts. Don't entertain it in your head. Wishing for hell?! Hell will be infinitely worse than what you are experiencing now.

Neostarwcc · Feb 19, 2018

St_Worm2 said:
Hi Shane, I'm very sorry to hear about the struggles you're having right now brother (I am praying for you).

My first thought is this, have you brought this to your pastor's attention yet? If not, that's the first place I would start. In fact, my pastor is normally the first person I call whenever life's problems begin to feel a little to big to handle, because God has given our pastors (our underservants in Christ) the job of keeping watch over our souls on this side of Glory .. e.g. Hebrews 13:17. This would allow him to help and encourage you directly, as well give him the information he needs to be praying for you.

My second thought is a similar one, have you brought this up to those in church you are close to as well, perhaps the members of your small group? There is nothing like the fellowship of a local body of believers to surround us, love on us, encourage us, pray for us, and help get us back on our spiritual "feet" (so to speak), especially when something in life is as troubling as the problem you're dealing with now is! It's one of the reasons God gave us the church, because in doing so, He also gave us to each other .. e.g Proverbs 27:17; John 13:34-35; Galatians 6:10; Hebrews 10:24-25.

Whoops, I have to run, but I will return later (Dv) as there is more that I'd like to say, especially about the spiritual battle we all face and how to deal with it.

God bless you! (Numbers 6:24-26; Isaiah 40:31; Isaiah 41:10; Jeremiah 29:11; Philippians 1:6, 2:13, Hebrews 7:25)

--David

Another reason I'm a bad Christian is I don't have a pastor or church that I can go to about this. I haven't been in a church pretty much since I was a kid. But I know that if I did have a pastor he would say I'm just as saved as any other Christian. So that's good advice. When I get a car I'll go church shopping. The town I live in may be small but it has tons of churches.

Bee_Brian said:
mmbattlestar...

Your words reminded me of a particular passage in Matthew 6. I have it memorized, and here it is...

Therefore, do not be anxious saying "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear?" For the Gentiles seek after all these things and your Heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Therefore, do not be anxious about tomorrow for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

My friend, you may wonder why your post reminded me of the above passage. My answer is this...

Paradise is our future as a child of God. That is given. He won't deny us the great promise. At the same time, today is also meant to be enjoyed. You must live in the present moment and the present moment only. You must do what makes you happy instead of worrying about the distant future.

I ask you to ask yourself this: What are my REAL problems? What can I do today that would make me happy today?

I think that by shifting your attention to NOW, your problems will fix themselves. After all, NOW is all that we really have. We've lived the past and we are not in the future yet. NOW is the only thing that matters.

God bless you and have a great night.

That does sound exactly the same. Why should I worry about my salvation when my salvation is pretty much set in stone. I mean, I probably won't die for at least another 15-20 years. Not a long time from now but I thought about it this way last night "Why worry about my salvation when whatever ends up happening to me is where God knew I would go to anyway. If I go to hell that's where God knew I would go. If I go to heaven that's where I was destined to be." remember before the foundation of this world God chose and planned every single human being. So if I go to heaven that's where God wanted me to be. If I go to hell that's where God knew if end up. That should be good enough for me.

faroukfarouk · Feb 19, 2018

Sam91 said:
Hi, I'd be a hypocrite to pretend I have the answers but I hope this helps.

Proverbs 3:5-6 I'm pointing out the 'lean not on your own understanding' part.

I love this song at the moment. It is one of my favourites. I listened to it on repeat at least 7 times about 3 weeks ago. I hope you are blessed by it.

God bless you

Those are great verses from Proverbs 3.

It's funny how certain tunes stay in the mind for a long while.

Good to see you here again.

Heart2Soul · Feb 19, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so here's the problem. Ever since becoming a Christian 5 years ago I've strongly doubted my salvation and I've had a really hard time bringing myself to just trusting God to save me. I'm getting really sick and tired of my prayers to God being begging him for salvation. Pretty much every time I pray to God/Jesus I beg him to have mercy on me for reasons I won't discuss here and I'm getting sick of the lack of reply. For once I would like God to come back to me and say "Shane don't be an idiot of course you are saved." But, no God wants blind faith without any purpose or cause. God wants me to have faith that I am saved myself instead of coming down from heaven and telling me that. God used to reply to me but I haven't had a reply from God in years. It's like God has abandoned and forsaken me. I know, there are multiple verses in the Bible that say that God will never leave or forsake me or any other Christian but.. for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible.

I am such a horrible Christian. I barely donate my time or energy to help others, I barely help my wife, I barely even help myself. It's almost like... I don't care at all. Jesus is supposed to be my Lord and Savior. I call him Lord all of the time. When I am depressed I think of him and it makes me happy. When I am in a psychotic episode I think of him and it helps me get through it. When I look back I long to see him but of course he isn't there. He's never there. I'm looking so forward to the day that I die so that I can finally meet my Lord. So that I can spend an eternity with him and with God. That is, if I'm saved. If death is truly eternal blackness I'll welcome that too. I cannot wait for death to take me away. Last night I stopped breathing in my sleep and I woke up gasping. Then I hated myself for gasping even though it was an involuntary movement. Simply put I wanted to die so that I could have a better life than what I have now. Between having to live with my mental illness.

Don't get me wrong. I'm happy and I'm definitely not suicidal. I'm happily married, I'm in a kind and loving family and my life has made lots of changes for the better ever since I found Jesus. I just... am looking so forward to death that it's not even funny. I mean, I think that my life is great now when I'm alive (For the most part. Wish I didn't have to deal with the things I have to deal with). When I'm dead my life is going to be 50,000,000,000x better. If I am saved that is. Hell, even if I'm not saved I won't have to deal with my mental illness anymore as I'm burning in the pits of hell. Then again maybe I will. It'd be hell XD. Still looking more forward to that than to living here.

That's the whole thing. If I'm saved. The Bible says I'm saved. Many Christians would say I'm saved because, I have faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior and I will remain faithful to him until the day I die. I made that decision when I accepted Jesus like 5 years ago so therefore, I am saved. Jesus has shown me every sign under the sun aside from coming down from heaven himself and telling me himself that I am saved. I mean... I'm so stupid! Why do I doubt my own salvation when so many signs in this world from the Bible, to the words of other Christians, to even God himself show that I AM saved! So why do I doubt it? Mental illness? Maybe that's part of it. Stupidity? That's probably most of it. Some really big jerky Christians who try to shove their own warped opinions down my throat? That's part of it too. I mean, when I made the decision to follow Jesus 5 years ago that sealed the deal. I probably got saved that day. I should have faith that I got saved that day. I mean God made a pretty solid case that day that he exists and that I am saved so why? Why do I doubt it?

And one really nagging thought that I want to get out of my head. The fact that I had my salvation and lost it when I said and did some things that I couldn't help because of my mental illness. I wish I could bash that nagging thought out of my head. Especially when the Bible is pretty clear on the subject. You cannot lose your salvation. Jesus will not lose a single believer which includes me. Why do I think that I'm always the exception to that rule? No, I'm not. I am saved.

Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Do I have to wait for death to finally not have doubts anymore? But, I think that even if I died right now at this moment, saw Jesus with my own eyes and he assured me of my salvation I'd still doubt it *eyeroll*.

If salvation was that easy to lose then the price that Jesus paid, in my opinion, was above and beyond the value of what it was to accomplish.
So many people are struggling with this...so here is a link that might help you understand. I hope it helps. God Bless!

Understanding the significance of Abba, Father:

(Reference to the following statements are taken from this link: https://www.gotquestions.org/Abba-Father.html “What Does It Mean that God is our Abba Father?”)

In Scripture there are many different names used to describe God. While all the names of God are important in many ways, the name “Abba Father” is one of the most significant names of God in understanding how He relates to people. The word Abba is an Aramaic word that would most closely be translated as “Daddy.” It was a common term that young children would use to address their fathers. It signifies the close, intimate relationship of a father to his child, as well as the childlike trust that a young child puts in his “daddy.”

We are all His creations and under His authority and Lordship and will all be judged by Him, but being a child of God and having the right to truly call Him “Abba Father” is something that only born-again Christians are able to do (John 1:12-13).

If we are born again (John 1:12, 3:1-8), we have been adopted into the family of God, redeemed from the curse of sin and are “joint-heirs with Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:17; also Galatians 4:7). Part of that new relationship is that God now deals with us differently, which includes His chastisement when we sin (Hebrews 12:3-11). Because of that new relationship, Christians may sin, but they cannot be comfortable or content living a life of habitual, ongoing sin. If people are living a life enslaved to sin and are comfortable in that sin and without the chastisement of God upon them, then we know they are “illegitimate and not sons” (Hebrews 12:8). In other words, they are unbelievers.

As we come to understand the true nature of God as revealed in the Bible we should be amazed that He not only allows us, but even encourages us, to call Him “Abba Father.” It is amazing that a holy and righteous God, who created and sustains all things, who is the only all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present God, would allow sinful humans to call Him “Daddy.” As we come to understand who God really is and how sinful we are, the privilege of being able to call Him “Abba Father” will take on a whole new meaning for us and help us understand God’s amazing grace.

Tolworth John · Feb 19, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
I'm getting really sick and tired of my prayers to God being begging him for salvation.

Equally God is sick of recieving those prayer. So stop saying them, instead try thanking God for your salvation.

mmbattlestar said:
for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible

Why? The bible teaches you about God so if it is false how do you know anything about God.

Try looking at the web site coldcasechristianity, it will teach you that the bible is reliable and authorertive.

mmbattlestar said:
I am such a horrible Christian. I barely donate my time or energy to help others, I barely help my wife, I barely even help myself

So how do you show that you are a Christian?

The bible talks about us going good works to show that we have faith.

Ron Gurley · Feb 20, 2018

PROBLEMS?

But, no God wants blind faith without any purpose or cause.

FALSE: God gives Man spirit-led FAITH / BELIEF to meet His Grace/Love/Mercy for salvation
...Ephesians 2
After the Salvation EVENT, the battles begin during the Sanctification PROCESS. Faith should grow and mature.

for some reason I find myself sometimes doubting the Bible.

It is the word of God. Learn to spiritually discern it. SEE:
1 Corinthians 2(NASB)...Paul’s Reliance upon the Spirit.

Two main Fruits of salvation are trust and obedience.

When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word,
What a glory He sheds on our way!
While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.

Refrain:
Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,
But His smile quickly drives it away;
Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
Can abide while we trust and obey.

Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
But our toil He doth richly repay;
Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
But is blessed if we trust and obey.

But we never can prove the delights of His love
Until all on the altar we lay;
For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
Are for them who will trust and obey.

Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet,
Or we’ll walk by His side in the way;
What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
Never fear, only trust and obey.

John H. Sammis, 1887

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.

Other Scripture: Psalm 84:11-12; Isaiah 50:10

Psalm 84:11-12 (NASB)
11
For the Lord God is a sun and shield;
The Lord gives grace and glory;
No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly.
12
O Lord of hosts,
How blessed is the man who trusts in You!

Isaiah 50:10(NASB)
10
Who is among you that fears the Lord,
That obeys the voice of His servant,
That walks in darkness and has no light?
Let him trust in the name of the Lord and rely on his God.

I cant bring myself to trust God. Help?

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