Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 17, 2018

Reasons why I could personally never chose to be Catholic:
Baptist prospective

1st of all, comparing spiritual things with spiritual, I feel that as old as the Roman Catholic Church is; it still has not worked out it's kinks.
- 1 Corinthians 2:13 (KJV Bible)

I feel like if I'm going to partake congregationally to worship, it is a absolute must that i am 100% comfortable with the Church and its Doctrines, all elements combined.
- Galatians 1:6-7 (of Galatians 1:1-12) (KJV Bible)

It is well known most Baptist have issues with Catholicism because of the Catholic claim of: transubstantiation. Within the ritual of a catholic mass, the pope holds a piece of bread, turns his back, and while his back is turned. Proclaims that it "literally" turns into the physical flesh of Christ.

3rdly, Christ is the head of the Church, There is absolutely no need for a Pope. It is opposite of scriptural and from what Iv heard, Pagan derived.
- 1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV Bible)

God Bless you,
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Tallguy88 · Feb 17, 2018

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly said:
It is well known most Baptist have issues with Catholicism because of the Catholic claim of: transubstantiation. Within the ritual of a catholic mass, the pope holds a piece of bread, turns his back, and while his back is turned. Proclaims that it "literally" turns into the physical flesh of Christ.

Just a point of clarification, anytime a priest says Mass, we believe the elements are transubstantiated into the true Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus; it doesn't have to be the Pope. Also, the Catholic Church very rarely has Mass with the priest facing away from the congregation anymore. Nearly all churches celebrate Mass with the priest facing the congregation, since the Mass of Paul VI was instituted in 1969.

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 17, 2018

Why are you catholic and have the 1611 for your picture?

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 17, 2018

Tallguy88 said:
Just a point of clarification, anytime a priest says Mass, we believe the elements are transubstantiated into the true Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus; it doesn't have to be the Pope. Also, the Catholic Church very rarely has Mass with the priest facing away from the congregation anymore. Nearly all churches celebrate Mass with the priest facing the congregation, since the Mass of Paul VI was instituted in 1969.

Why are you catholic and have the 1611 for your picture?

Tallguy88 · Feb 18, 2018

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly said:
Why are you catholic and have the 1611 for your picture?

Because it's the bible I grew up with and the one I prefer.

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 18, 2018

How do you read a Protestant Bible and go to a Catholic Church, scripture is authority.

Tallguy88 · Feb 18, 2018

I can't debate theology in the Baptist forum

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 18, 2018

Tallguy88 said:
I can't debate theology in the Baptist forum

message your prospective to faith to my inbox, "I agree" that I agreed to look at your perspective without being offended.
Omit the normal rules.

Screen shot this post and keep it.

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly · Feb 18, 2018

KingJamesVersionBibleOnly said:
message your prospective to faith to my inbox, "I agree" that I agreed to look at your perspective without being offended.
Omit the normal rules.

Screen shot this post and keep it.

It should work.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Feb 19, 2018

Where do you get the idea of the Pope being pagan-derived from?

twin1954 · Feb 20, 2018

There are many reasons that I could never be a Roman Catholic:
The Mass being a recrucifixtion of Christ every time it is said.
Maryolotry being the worship of Mary.
Idols.
Praying to the Saints.
Purgatory.
The priesthood.
The Pope being the head of the church.
The Pope being infallibilie in matters of spiritual things.
The seven Sacraments.
Confession.
Priests being able to forgive sins.
Being able to buy yours or a loved ones way out of purgatory.

Just to name a few.
Having studied Roman Catholic theology I could never join such a twisted and reprobate organization.

archer75 · Feb 20, 2018

twin1954 said:
There are many reasons that I could never be a Roman Catholic:
The Mass being a recrucifixtion of Christ every time it is said.
Maryolotry being the worship of Mary.
Idols.
Praying to the Saints.
Purgatory.
The priesthood.
The Pope being the head of the church.
The Pope being infallibilie in matters of spiritual things.
The seven Sacraments.
Confession.
Priests being able to forgive sins.
Being able to buy yours or a loved ones way out of purgatory.

Just to name a few.
Having studied Roman Catholic theology I could never join such a twisted and reprobate organization.

Many of these things are not RC teaching.

For example, the Pope is not infallible "in matters of spiritual things."

There is no worship of Mary. They call it hyperdulia - super-veneration, but not worship, which is due to God alone.

Not sure what you mean by the priesthood. But the official teaching is that Christ is the only real priest, and the RC priests are, properly speaking, only his ministers.

Where did you study this things? While I can't tell quite what you object to in some of these, I get the impression you may hold ideas about the RC teachings that are inaccurate

twin1954 · Feb 20, 2018

archer75 said:
Many of these things are not RC teaching.

For example, the Pope is not infallible "in matters of spiritual things."

There is no worship of Mary. They call it hyperdulia - super-veneration, but not worship, which is due to God alone.

Not sure what you mean by the priesthood. But the official teaching is that Christ is the only real priest, and the RC priests are, properly speaking, only his ministers.

Where did you study this things? While I can't tell quite what you object to in some of these, I get the impression you may hold ideas about the RC teachings that are inaccurate

I get them from the Catholics themselves. I have studied their teachings and what they say and what they do are not the same.

Yes they deny that they worship Mary but most Catholics do so in practice. When their priests are able to forgive sin then they stand as go between among the people and God.

Yes they teach that the Pope is infallibilie in matters spiritual along with many other things that are in no way Scriptual. Such as the Magisterum being the only ones who can rightly interpret Scripture.

nonaeroterraqueous · Feb 22, 2018

archer75 said:
There is no worship of Mary. They call it hyperdulia - super-veneration, but not worship, which is due to God alone.

Right now, they're debating whether or not Mary even died. Because the wages of sin is death, and they think that Mary never sinned, there's some debate among them as to whether or not she could have died. For example:

Eloy Craft said:
Except neither Elijah or Moses were Immaculately conceived. That's why Mary is one of only two who have resurrected bodies in heaven. Since she didn't inherit Adam's sin and remained sinless, it would be unjust for Mary to suffer death.

This shows how a Catholic would put Mary above Elijah and Moses, on par with Jesus (the other member of the "only two" who did not inherit Adam's sin). Assuming that they worship Jesus, or at least think they do, then that means they worship Mary, also, whom they regard as equal in perfection.

Hindus in India make identical arguments that they do not worship cows. They say they venerate them.

Call it what you like. I know what I see.

Eloy Craft · Feb 22, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Assuming that they worship Jesus, or at least think they do, then that means they worship Mary, also, whom they regard as equal in perfection.

if you have to assume Catholics worship Jesus you don't know them well enough to comment. Jesus is God to Catholics Mary is human. Not very honest to fight the strawman and not bother to look at the real man.

Albion · Feb 22, 2018

archer75 said:
Many of these things are not RC teaching.

By my count, 8 of the 12 listed objections are, however.

twin1954 · Feb 22, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
if you have to assume Catholics worship Jesus you don't know them well enough to comment. Jesus is God to Catholics Mary is human. Not very honest to fight the strawman and not bother to look at the real man.

They, in practice, worship all kinds of things including Jesus. Their religion is one of superstition and an inherent rule by the church leaders. Study history and you will see how the RCC has taken over entire countries and imposed their will on them. The whole of South America is backward because of the RCC rule.

twin1954 · Feb 22, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Right now, they're debating whether or not Mary even died. Because the wages of sin is death, and they think that Mary never sinned, there's some debate among them as to whether or not she could have died. For example:

This shows how a Catholic would put Mary above Elijah and Moses, on par with Jesus (the other member of the "only two" who did not inherit Adam's sin). Assuming that they worship Jesus, or at least think they do, then that means they worship Mary, also, whom they regard as equal in perfection.

Hindus in India make identical arguments that they do not worship cows. They say they venerate them.

Call it what you like. I know what I see.

What people do and what they say are not the same thing. Your actions speak louder than your words.

Eloy Craft · Feb 22, 2018

twin1954 said:
They, in practice, worship all kinds of things including Jesus. Their religion is one of superstition and an inherent rule by the church leaders. Study history and you will see how the RCC has taken over entire countries and imposed their will on them. The

With all due respect, they don't worship things. You only know the strawman. I don't have to be told to study history. Superstition is deeply understood by them. You say inherent rule as if it's inherently evil. Take it from someone who does know what the real thing is. You judge what you don't know.

Albion · Feb 22, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
With all due respect, they don't worship things. You only know the strawman.

Did you know that the Catholic Church itself calls both the veneration of Mary and the worship of God by the term "worship?" Yes, it tries to make a distinction between the two types of worship but it calls them both worship. So...not a strawman.

Here's the definition from the Chambers 20th Century Dictionary:

HyperduliahÄ«-per-dÅ«-lÄ«â€²a n the special kind of worship paid by Roman Catholics to the Virgin Mary being higher than that paid to other saints (dulia) and distinct from that paid to God alone (latria) Gr hyper beyond douleia service.

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