Fundamentally what I am saying here is that birth control reduces the number of children that people have.
Well yes; that's its purpose - although it doesn't always work.
But that is not what you said in the OP; you said that,
It is just to state a simple fact that Any sort of premeditated interference with a child being born is taking a child's life.
There is a big difference between taking the life of a child, and preventing one from being born; as most of us have been trying to point out to you.
And America's number one problem is immigration which is tearing our nation apart and the reason we have this immigration problem is because by using birth control we have prevented ourselves from having enough children to do our own work in our own country.
Well maybe; I'm not American, so I can't say.
But I would think that people go to another country for a variety of reasons. Getting better jobs may be only a fraction of it; there are no doubt a variety of things to weigh up. For example, for some people in the UK, the pay may be better in the US, and petrol, and maybe houses, cheaper - but there is no NHS, and the things you hear about gun crime and earthquakes, are enough to put anyone off.
This is creates a labor vacuum which is being filled by legal and illegal immigrants from all over the world. This is not healthy. We are robbing other countries of their children and their families to fill our need for children to do our work for us.
I doubt that you're robbing other countries of their children, unless you forcibly take them into slavery. It's likely you are giving many a better quality of life, with better paid jobs.
It is God's desire that we do our own work with our own children not import slave labor by enticing these unfortunate people to leave their homes, leave their country to leave often their religion.
Like I said, you may be giving many a better quality of life.
Are you now saying that people should have children just so that they can work in the country and keep America going? What of those whose parents may be of other nationalities, and they decide they want to work elsewhere?
To make America great again we need to be producing more children than we are presently producing and I might add that Christians and conservatives are producing children at half of replacement.
Right - so apart from the fact that these comments clear don't apply to those of us of other nationalities; a Christian's main aim in having children is not out of love, or because they believe that children are a gift from God, and they want to have a family, but to keep up America's work force?
Now you can argue all you want about when life begins but I'll tell you when life ends, that is when you use massive amounts of birth control you're not going to have any children.
Life doesn't END with the use of birth control - in most cases, and most of the time, life is prevented from beginning; big difference. Though as I said, birth control doesn't always work, and if God really wants you to have a family, you will.
No, because life cannot end, or be taken, if it has not begun - end of.
Previously, you mentioned the law. What do you think the police response would be if you confessed to dozens of "murders", they asked you for details and where the bodies were buried, and you said, "nowhere; I used contraception and they were never born."?
whereas if you do not use birth control you're going to on average have a lot of children which America needs and what you should want.
Erm, no.
1. A couple may never use birth control and later discover that they can't have children.
2. A woman may have several pregnancies, many miscarriages and then the couple decide they don't want to keep on trying.
3. There may be a medical reason, such as cancer, why a couple cannot have children.
4. A couple may marry late - say, after 45 - and then discover the age for bearing children is past.
5. A woman may have medical issues after the birth of one child, and decide it is too dangerous to have any more. That child may grow up with their own fertility issues or decide they never want to marry and therefore don't have children. They might, sadly, die before they can do so.
6. A couple should never be told to have, or coerced into having, children because "America needs them"! I would have said that was a terrible reason for having children - what about love, or God's plan for your life?
7. No one should tell anyone else what they should WANT to do. We're all different, and some people just don't want children. To say that they should have children, is to i) get involved in something which is none of your business, ii) lay a burden of guilt upon them.
No one is talking here about unfortunate people who have bad health no education no job no home and perhaps don't even know the father of the child they're carrying.
Oh, so if a woman is pregnant through rape, or a one night stand and has twins who will grow up to be hard working Americans and add to your workforce, that's different?
Why?
Why are homeless, unemployed pregnant women excluded from your argument? Or are you saying that if a woman is homeless it's acceptable if she doesn't have children??
we're talking about young couples who are in good health who would make good parents who often are Christians, go to church, have jobs and own homes such that they would be good parents.
Well YOU seem to be talking about that now, but your OP was on the subject of life beginning before conception and therefore not allowing someone to be born, is to kill them.
who often are Christians, go to church, have jobs and own homes such that they would be good parents.
I've read testimonies from people whose parents were good, middle class, wealthy, intelligent, faithful and committed church goers - maybe even pastors - who were beaten and abused/neglected by them.
Money, education, possessions etc does not guarantee someone will be a good parent.
This is not even replacing themselves as it takes 2.2 children to barely replace a couple under the very best of circumstances. People who Advocate and practice unlimited birth control whether natural or artificial are not doing America any favor
Only if America is becoming the sort of country which says, "no" to any foreigners, takes away its citizens' passports so they can't go and work elsewhere, and passes a law insisting on how many children a couple should have. I don't think it is; last time I checked, it stood for freedom.
and are at variance with scripture as I read it and understand it.
So what's your main point here? That no one should use birth control because,
1. it is murder - there is life before conception?
2. America, and its economy will suffer - because you are trying to stop foreigners from coming into your country?
Or 3. That you genuinely believe that using birth control is against Scripture, and you are concerned that no one should disobey Scripture?
If the latter, then I should say that 99% of this thread, and your last post, is redundant.
