Students Required to get Approval of Post-Grad Plan In Order to Graduate

keith99 said:

It has been a while since I applied to college.

Does one usually apply at the start of the 11th grade as required by this bill?

I also found it amusing and bewildering that an internship satisfies the requirements of the bill but a job does not.

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I think I applied in the latter part of my junior year. I had to have the application and FAFSA done by mid senior year to be considered for scholarships and financial aid.

keith99 said:

It has been a while since I applied to college.

Does one usually apply at the start of the 11th grade as required by this bill?

I also found it amusing and bewildering that an internship satisfies the requirements of the bill but a job does not.

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I don't think the bill is requiring students to apply to college at the start of the 11th grade, but from the clumsy way it's written there's some ambiguity. I think it's saying the requirement to submit post-graduation plans would go into effect for students entering the 11th grade in the 2018-2019 school year, but they wouldn't have to submit those plans until the following year when they are seniors. If the bill passed, those who are graduating in 2018 wouldn't be subjected to compliance.

The bill would also have schools step up their encouragement of 11th graders to start thinking about their options and exploring colleges so they're ready to submit a plan in the 12th grade. That's already typical for high schools that are more focused on college preparation, except for the part about the plan being compulsory and holding your diploma hostage if you don't get it approved. At my school the 11th grade was when we attended college fairs, visited campuses, and started taking SAT / ACT prep classes. Some colleges have deadlines in the early fall, and there's a program specifically for underprivileged kids applying to elite schools (it waives the application fees) that has a much earlier deadline.

Some students do apply to college in the 11th grade, or even earlier. You can apply for the HSCE program (High School Concurrent Enrollment) at Santa Monica College when you're 13. It allows you to take classes there for free and earn dual enrollment credit. For motivated students it can save a ton of time and money. I think New Mexico should work on having more programs like it than pushing this bill.

Go Braves said:

I don't know what JC classes are.

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Junior College. I'm showing my age.

iluvatar5150 said:

If you're interested in working construction, there ought to be an internship program you can get slotted into. I don't know how the general carpentry stuff works, but most of the specific trades like electrical, plumbing, and hvac (and I imagine others like masonry and welding) have different well-defined tiers of proficiency/licensure and apprenticeship programs.

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Thanks. I'm not interested in working construction as my career, but it's been a real good summer job. I don't look down my nose at construction work as a lot of folks do, on account of how it can pay the bills, it's useful. To me it's enjoyable. Now other folks would hate it but I like it a lot.

Go Braves said:

Thanks. I'm not interested in working construction as my career, but it's been a real good summer job. I don't look down my nose at construction work as a lot of folks do, on account of how it can pay the bills, it's useful. To me it's enjoyable. Now other folks would hate it but I like it a lot.

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Sorry, I was referring to the kids who'd have to be filling out this post-graduation plan. If they want to do construction, there are probably internships out there that would fulfill the requirement.

iluvatar5150 said:

Sorry, I was referring to the kids who'd have to be filling out this post-graduation plan. If they want to do construction, there are probably internships out there that would fulfill the requirement.

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I've never heard of an internship in construction. In general internships exist in the glamor jobs where most have no way to get a foot in the door so people will take a position at low to no pay for a chance to learn and get what is basically an extended interview. Why would anyone do that when they can pick up a real job in construction with a real paycheck?

Ringo84 said:

We seem to have this idea nowadays that only STEM-related fields are important, and everything else doesn't count. It's true that STEM is important, but there is no shame in blue collar jobs, like manufacturing, auto shop, etc.

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I think you have a very good sentiment which I whole support. But...

Ringo84 said:

Those are important too. Someone has to have the knowledge to repair cars when they break down, or weld tools that people use in other jobs, or do the heavy lifting in construction jobs. Everyone can't be a scientist, a mathematician, or a programmer.
Ringo

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I wonder how many of these jobs will be there in the next decade or two? Robotics is improving very rapidly.

The trade jobs like electricity and water works seem to be harder to do with robotics, but it is hard to say what we will experience in twenty or thirty years.

Yonny Costopoulis said:

I think you have a very good sentiment which I whole support. But...


I wonder how many of these jobs will be there in the next decade or two? Robotics is improving very rapidly.

The trade jobs like electricity and water works seem to be harder to do with robotics, but it is hard to say what we will experience in twenty or thirty years.

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Robotics works best in a repetitive situation. And come to think of it one with plenty of space. There may be some of that in construction going forward. But I don't see that totally replacing human workers, just another click up in efficiency. Sort of like a nail gun compared to a hammer.

Excuse me if this has already been mentioned, but it doesn't seem like this does very much. Anyone who is about to graduate from High School can apply to and be admitted to a community college. There typically isn't a fee for that and you apparently fulfill the HS graduation requirement by doing only this...and then you don't have to actually enroll after all.

iluvatar5150 said:

Sorry, I was referring to the kids who'd have to be filling out this post-graduation plan. If they want to do construction, there are probably internships out there that would fulfill the requirement.

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Oh I see. Idk that it would count as an internship but I can see it counting as an apprenticeship. That's on that list. That's pretty much what it has been for some of the fellows who've worked construction for years for my uncle. They learn on the job, get their trade that way.

keith99 said:

I've never heard of an internship in construction. In general internships exist in the glamor jobs where most have no way to get a foot in the door so people will take a position at low to no pay for a chance to learn and get what is basically an extended interview. Why would anyone do that when they can pick up a real job in construction with a real paycheck?

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Most skilled trades have apprenticeship programs.