LOL, finally struck a nerve.Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
as 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
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Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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I know this may seem like a silly question... But I have to ask due to all the differing opinions out there on when the rapture will take place.
First, I'd like to state that I am operating based off the assumption that the rapture of the Church occurs at the 7th trumpet blast.
Who out there shares that viewpoint, and why? I'm very interested in this. You could say that this is a mid-trib rapture idea, and where I heard about this was at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, MO.
But Personally, like most believers, I'm not sure when the rapture will happen...
Anyway, make some good arguments for me! I'd love to indulge in some critical thinking here!
While the rapture may take place pre-70th week. It doesn't have to.
2thessalonians2:4 act of the Antichrist revealing himself as the man of sin by going into the temple and sitting, does not take place until around 3 years 3 months into the 7 years.
The 2thessalonians2:4 act triggers the Day of the Lord.
triggers the Day of the Lord.....by confirming the covenant for 7 years? Is that what it says in 2thessalonians2:4?There are no and's, if's or but's about Biblical prophecy. What is specifically set forth, is fulfilled precisely as the original prophecy set forth. As 2 Thess.2:1-3 so states, it is the man of lawlessness, who triggers the Day of the Lord, that is a seven year period of time, confirming Dan.9:27, as well as Rev.6:2.
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triggers the Day of the Lord.....by confirming the covenant for 7 years? Is that what it says in 2thessalonians2:4?
No, it does not say that. It says because he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to be God.
triggers the Day of the Lord.....by confirming the covenant for 7 years? Is that what it says in 2thessalonians2:4?
No, it does not say that. It says because he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to be God.
The Day of the Lord begins with the A/C confirming a binding agreement/covenant, in Dan.9:27.
I think you mean you see it differently.The Scriptures see it differently, as documented below. 2 Thess.2:4 is the mid point of Dan.9:27, when the A/C sets up the AoD. The Day of the Lord begins with the A/C confirming a binding agreement/covenant, in Dan.9:27.
I know this may seem like a silly question... But I have to ask due to all the differing opinions out there on when the rapture will take place.
First, I'd like to state that I am operating based off the assumption that the rapture of the Church occurs at the 7th trumpet blast.
Who out there shares that viewpoint, and why? I'm very interested in this. You could say that this is a mid-trib rapture idea, and where I heard about this was at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, MO.
But Personally, like most believers, I'm not sure when the rapture will happen...
Anyway, make some good arguments for me! I'd love to indulge in some critical thinking here!
Hi the 7 trumpets in Revelation would put the rapture at the 7th one would have Christians experiencing the wrath of God. The verses in Cor 15 and 1Thes 4 speak of the transformation and do link the idea to a trumpet as well and a last trumpet too. So the connection could be argued. There are some subtle differences though as the angels are sounding the trumpets in Rev and 1 thes 4 notes the transformation occurs at the trumpet of God. This could be a substantial difference as if you look up the use of trumpets in the law they were used to announce assembly advances and directions so a certain set of notes would blast and the whole assembly would recognize the sequence and follow the order. So the last blast might not be the final trumpet but perhaps the final blast of a specific sequence.I know this may seem like a silly question... But I have to ask due to all the differing opinions out there on when the rapture will take place.
First, I'd like to state that I am operating based off the assumption that the rapture of the Church occurs at the 7th trumpet blast.
Who out there shares that viewpoint, and why? I'm very interested in this. You could say that this is a mid-trib rapture idea, and where I heard about this was at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, MO.
But Personally, like most believers, I'm not sure when the rapture will happen...
Anyway, make some good arguments for me! I'd love to indulge in some critical thinking here!
The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible and reflects the understanding of Bible scholars during that time.
Those who produced this Bible understood that Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled by Christ during the first century. It is a reference to the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24.
The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28, and therefore reflects the same understanding as that found below.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
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I think you mean you see it differently.
2thessalonians2.4 is an act, not an image, not an idol.
The act committed by the Antichrist is the transgression (an act) of desolation spoken of in Daniel 8:13.
Differently, the abomination of desolation, - a thing - will be set up in the temple to be worshiped. The abomination of desolation will be the image of the beast - an idol.
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Confirming the covenant for 7 years is not what reveals the person as the man of sin. Although persons who know the bible will certainly realize who the person is. And even before then.
Confirming the covenant for 7 years is what starts the 70th week. Initially, the Jews and the world will be saying peace and safety because they will be thinking they have entered the messianic age.
Which goes on for several years, until the Antichrist transgresses the covenant, and goes into the temple, sits, claiming himself to be God; thus, revealing that he is the man of sin. That act by the Antichrist is what triggers the Day of the Lord.
I agree except for the part of the kingdoms of the earth do not become the kingdom of God until Armageddon. It's all God's after the trumpets, he just doesn't take possession for a few years because there a wedding feast going on in heaven. As God prepares to take possession the angels sing redemption's love song.
And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name. They were holding harps from God, and they sang the song of God’s servant Moses and of the Lamb:Grace and peace,
“Great and wonderful are Your works,
Lord God Almighty!
Just and true are Your ways,
O King of the nations!
Who will not fear You, O Lord, and give glory to Your name?
For You alone are holy.
All nations will come and worship before You,
for Your righteous deeds, have been revealed.” (Rev. 15:2-4)
Mark
Conclusion
Once again we have seen in this installment on the seventy weeks that the text of this passage supports a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the seventieth week is still future to the time in which we now live. "Israel has now been reestablished as a nation (1948), suggesting that the seventieth seven may soon begin."
The mystery of God is that John has jumbled Revelation's visions. The mystery of God will end as has been foretold by the prophets. They foretold that the time of trouble will end early.
Re. 15
seven angels
the seven angels
Rev. 8
the seven angels
When the 7th trumpet sounds===is not the middle of the great tribulation, but the end of it.
The full vials are not part of the great tribulation, but will be used against the wicked mark/beast followers.
These same Kings and Captains who were seen hiding in FEAR at the 6TH seal, will be Some Years LATER gathered to Battle Jesus at Armageddon [Revelation 16:12-16]....Not In Fear.Those are the same things. The 6th seal shows the return of Christ from the view of the unsaved.