Whoever pursues righteousness and love finds life, PROSTERITY and honor.

gustavchristianartist said:

PROSPERITY, why we haven't this?
i purse for love and i've found life but no prosperity

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It depends on your translation.

KJV: He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.
NKJV: He who follows righteousness and mercy Finds life, righteousness and honor.
ASV: He that followeth after righteousness and kindness Findeth life, righteousness, and honor.
NLT: Whoever pursues righteousness and unfailing love will find life, righteousness, and honor.
NRS: Whoever pursues righteousness and kindness will find life and honor.
RSV: He who pursues righteousness and kindness will find life and honor.
NIV: Whoever pursues righteousness and love finds life, prosperity and honor.
NASB: He who pursues righteousness and loyalty Finds life, righteousness and honor.
GW: Whoever pursues righteousness and mercy will find life, righteousness, and honor.
YLT: Whoso is pursuing righteousness and kindness, Findeth life, righteousness, and honour.
Apostolic Polyglot: He who follows after righteousness and covenant loyalty finds life righteousness and honor

Do you spot a trend? The NIV stands out as using "prosperity", while most others do not. It is instructive to note that the Hebrew uses the SAME word twice: tsedaqah (צְדָקָה). That word normally means "righteousness", and none of the other potential meanings are "prosperity". You are a victim of a translation that has taught a false doctrine.

gustavchristianartist said:

i am referring the bible guys, the bible says we can have prosperity

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No, it doesn't. The Hebrew word that appears twice in Proverbs 21:21 [tsedaqah (צְדָקָה)] does not mean "prosperity". It means "righteousness". MOST translations use that meaning both times. The NIV teaches a falsehood.

gustavchristianartist said:

PROSPERITY, why we haven't this?
i purse for love and i've found life but no prosperity

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No idea why i could get some prosperity soon to pay taxes .

Thomas1987 said:

No idea why i could get some prosperity soon to pay taxes .

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I can tell you the solution: Because the Hebrew doesn't say "prosperity". It says "righteousness", as in pursuing righteousness will get you righteousness.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

I can tell you the solution: Because the Hebrew doesn't say "prosperity". It says "righteousness", as in pursuing righteousness will get you righteousness.

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Why try to move prosperity out of one verse? Are you saying that God cannot give prosperity to his children?

RaymondG said:

Why try to move prosperity out of one verse? Are you saying that God cannot give prosperity to his children?

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I am not trying to move ANYTHING "out" of a verse. What I am saying is that the NIV is almost alone in MISTRANSLATING the second use of the Hebrew word "tsedaqah" (צְדָקָה) in that verse. Nearly every other English translation of that Verse that is based on that specific Hebrew text translates BOTH instances as "righteousness". Prove that the NIV, standing all alone, is more correct than all the other translations.

There is no other instance of "tsedaqah" being translated as "prosperity", as far as I know. Why are you accusing me of doing something fishy? What is your motive for that? Why do you reject proper Biblical scholarship? What is your motive for that?

BryanJohnMaloney said:

I am not trying to move ANYTHING "out" of a verse. What I am saying is that the NIV is almost alone in MISTRANSLATING the second use of the Hebrew word "tsedaqah" (צְדָקָה) in that verse. Nearly every other English translation of that Verse that is based on that specific Hebrew text translates BOTH instances as "righteousness". Prove that the NIV, standing all alone, is more correct than all the other translations.

There is no other instance of "tsedaqah" being translated as "prosperity", as far as I know. Why are you accusing me of doing something fishy? What is your motive for that? Why do you reject proper Biblical scholarship? What is your motive for that?

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You are missing the purpose of the thread...and when anyone gets back to the purpose, you dismiss it again because of one translation of one word out of one bible version.

It seems that you are saying Christians cant prosper, because of this one verse.......when there are many other verses that supports a Child of God getting what they desire as as well.

You made your point about the one word in the one verse in the one bible version. Now, if you still believe that the bible as a whole forbids the natural prosperity of a Christian......lets discuss more than one word in one verse.....you should be able to demonstrate it somewhere else as well.

And I see not fault in you not prospering......Im more concerned about others who may be hindered from asking their Father for what they want after reading your words.

RaymondG said:

You are missing the purpose of the thread...and when anyone gets back to the purpose, you dismiss it again because of one translation of one word out of one bible version.

It seems that you are saying Christians cant prosper, because of this one verse.......when there are many other verses that supports a Child of God getting what they desire as as well.

You made your point about the one word in the one verse in the one bible version. Now, if you still believe that the bible as a whole forbids the natural prosperity of a Christian......lets discuss more than one word in one verse.....you should be able to demonstrate it somewhere else as well.

And I see not fault in you not prospering......Im more concerned about others who may be hindered from asking their Father for what they want after reading your words.

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Quote SPECIFICALLY where I stated that Christians cannot prosper. Give the specific quote where I stated this.

Quote SPECIFICALLY where I said anything of the sort. Give the exact quote.

You're just lying about me and won't admit to it.

Evidently, it is "Christian" to make up lies about others and act as if the LIE is what a person said.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

Quote SPECIFICALLY where I stated that Christians cannot prosper. Give the specific quote where I stated this.

Quote SPECIFICALLY where I said anything of the sort. Give the exact quote.

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I will give a specific quote, when you provide a specific quote of mine in which i stated specifically that you said "Christians cannot prosper." i'll wait.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

Evidently, it is "Christian" to make up lies about others and act as if the LIE is what a person said

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I will agree with this post if you cannot provide the information I requested above. Thanks

gustavchristianartist said:

the title of this thread is the bible Proverbs 21:21 NIV

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Prosperity here in the reference says Righteousness.
They who pursue righteousness will be abondant of it.

(2 Corinthians 8:9)
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

(Luke 6:24)
“But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

God and money cannot be both our masters.
Our God’s richness is spiritual.

Prosperity can come in many forms. I don't earn much money, and I am a single mother. However, we have our needs met all the time. I don't have a lot of money in the bank, but we have never been without a place to sleep, clothes to wear, or food to eat. We have even gotten some medical care that I couldn't afford or didn't have insurance for. Consider the quality of life you have compared to those who are homeless, or in a Third world country. Prosperity is relative and based on perception.

Proverb are also tricky. You have to consider they type of writing it is. The verses in proverbs are not promises. They are probabilities, a reasonable prediction of cause and effect.

Also, think about what the first part of this verse means. If someone is righteous, what are they going to be doing? They will be making responsible choices and living a life that honors God. That generally includes having a work ethic so that you can provide for yourself and others and the church. So, part of being righteous means doing what you can for your income.

Jess Lee said:

Prosperity here in the reference says Righteousness.
They who pursue righteousness will be abondant of it.

(2 Corinthians 8:9)
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

(Luke 6:24)
“But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

God and money cannot be both our masters.
Our God’s richness is spiritual.

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What is it that you are trying to say?

You quoted a scripture that states Jesus came so that we might become rich.........then though quote a scripture that states woe to them that are rich.....

So did Jesus come to give us woe? Or are you using scripture to bring out what you already believe and not to reveal truth? E.g. Will you translate rich as heavenly riches when it suits your belief, And earthly riches where it makes sense to you as well?

JAM2b said:

Consider the quality of life you have compared to those who are homeless, or in a Third world country. Prosperity is relative and based on perception.

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I don't agree with looking at those less fortunate than ourselves to feel better about our selves and our positions. I believe we should look at them to help them out and give no thought about ourselves while doing so.

Prosperity is subjective.....everyone should decide what they want for themselves and be able to get it. The desire to look at what others have can lead to jealousy and coveting.

JAM2b said:

Proverb are also tricky. You have to consider they type of writing it is. The verses in proverbs are not promises.

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I find the proverbs to hold truth and not possibilities. If followed, you will receive what it states you will receive. I would say that is pretty close to a guarantee. But these are ready to test and find out......So no real point in speaking more about these.....

gustavchristianartist said:

i am referring the bible guys, the bible says we can have prosperity

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The word also said to store up TRUE TREASURE

There’s a difference between filling up and prospering in the things and treasure of the heart that do not pass...

and the things and treasures that do

JackRT said:

I like the old fisherman's proverb --- "Pray to God but row away from the rocks."

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And the wisdom to know the difference between what is in our control and ability to do ...and doing it

From those things that aren’t in our control and ability to do anything about it. That’s where faith and pray and trust in GOD is required

gustavchristianartist said:

I want prosperity, no more suffering
no more lacking of things
because you are a generous being
i know i can ask you anything

you have a tremendous love
send your gifts from above
give me turbo energy, give me a shove
if there is cold give me gloves

I ASK FOR PROSPERITY AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY PRAYER. If you don't want prosperity and blessings you can remain the same.

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It depends on what your heart views as prosperity above the TRUE TREASURES promised

It seems to me that when we set certain “priorities” above other things the lower things won’t be worried about as much and will either come or not


And still we won’t worry about it

(Remember HE feeds even the birds who do not store up anything)

gustavchristianartist said:

but you don't reason that jesus can change the things, can perform miracles
you say: it's all okay it's all okay

i say: it could be better

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How could it be better. There are many outside the DOOR and the result of that is eternal separation

And we should be looking to feed ourselves?


There’s one ETERNAL and EVEASTING PRIORITY much more important than temporal things

RaymondG said:

I don't agree with looking at those less fortunate than ourselves to feel better about our selves and our positions. I believe we should look at them to help them out and give no thought about ourselves while doing so.

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I think you misunderstood how I meant what I said. I said nothing about looking at the less fortunate to feel better about one's self. I believe in helping the poor and less fortunate, and feel a great deal of resentment and sadness over those with wealth who are not compassionate toward others. You kind of made an assumption there about motives.

What I was getting at is that if someone has a skewed view of how much or how little they have, and they have enough, they should consider that maybe their own perceptions are not based on reality. What is wealth? At what point does enough, or more than enough, become prosperous? There are people who would be thankful for clean drinking water, and yet we have people who complain they are broke because they couldn't afford to go to starbucks this week.