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A Millenium is a Millenium. A thousand years is a thousand years.
Guinness thinks 144 X 7 is significant in some way.
I doubt it, as you haven't shown any evidence of this even being a time cycle.
The standard Biblical Cycles are the Jubilees, (every 49 years), and generations, (70 & 80 years).

Anything else requires categorical validation
Its about the way God designed the Calendar.
7 years cycles, the 7th year being a Shmitah, a Year of rest. And entire Sabbath year.
7x7 of these, and the next year is a Jubilee!

1000÷7= 142.857142857

Huh, that doesnt really seem to work.

1008÷7= 144

144 Shmitahs exactly
But why would he time it that way??

Well it is kind of interesting, by timimg it That way, with 144 Shmitahs per milleniam exactly...

1st miennium 0 C.E. - 1008 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
2nd 1008 C.E. - 2016 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
3rd 2016 C.E. - 3024 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
4th 3024 C.E. - 4032 C.E. / 20 Jubiless
5th 4032 C.E. - 5040 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
6th 5040 C.E. - 6048 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
7th 6048 C.E. - 7056 C.E. / 21 Jubilees

Then the 7th millenium, the Reign Of Christ on Earth, gets an extra Jubilee over all the other milleniums.
 
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A Millenium is a Millenium. A thousand years is a thousand years.
Guinness thinks 144 X 7 is significant in some way.
I doubt it, as you haven't shown any evidence of this even being a time cycle.
The standard Biblical Cycles are the Jubilees, (every 49 years), and generations, (70 & 80 years).

Anything else requires categorical validation

Oh i almost forgot, funny side note, so if i and Henry Grattan Guiness are both right, and a milleniam is 1008 years, not 1000....

1008÷7=144

But that means that Gods 7 millenium plan would have EXACTLY
1008 SHMITAHS

1008 year milleniums, adding up to exactly 1008 Cycles Of Sabbath years, aka Shmitahs.
 
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God gave Noah and His family 7 days in order to mourn the death of Methuselah.

Would you say those were 7 literal earth days or 7 "relative", elastic metephorical days? What was Noah supposed to believe?
I say it meant 7 literal earth days. How about you?

God exists outside of time, it is merely an illusion He created to give us a subjective opportunity to decide for ourselves who we are, and through those series of choices; where we will spend eternity.

Would you say He is capable of telling time correctly when communicating about it's passing to human beings, even though He exists outside of it? Or does the fact He exists outside of time render ANY statement he makes to human beings about time and its passing "relative, elastic and metephorical"?

If when God tells a human being some event is "near", and your claim is that God actually means the event is FAR away, then what are we supposed to make of it when God says an event is indeed Far off... that it is actually near?

I'm trying to understand where you were taught that God's time statements in scripture mean the exact opposite of what they say.

Can you elaborate on that for us?
 
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Look i read both Hebrew and Greek, i still have no idea what your hang up is.

I have no hang up. I'm just trying to understand your position, so I'm asking clarifying questions.

It seems like you dont believe thst the events of Revelation are going to happen
Ok
because in your view point they must have already come to pass?? Is that what your driving at?

Jesus PROMISED the first century people at the Church of Sardis that He would come upon them "as a thief" (Revelaton 3:3)

It seems like you do not believe He followed through with that promise he made specifically to them. That he was issuing empty threats He had no intention of fulfilling, even that he was outright lying to them!

Is that what you are driving at?
 
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Would you say those were 7 literal earth days or 7 "relative", elastic metephorical days?



Would you say He is capable of telling time correctly when communicating about it's passing to human beings, even though He exists outside of it? Or does the fact He exists outside of time render ANY statement he makes to human beings about time and its passing "relative, elastic and metephorical"?

If when God tells a human being some event is "near", and your claim is that God actually means the event is FAR away, then what are we supposed to make of it when God says an event is indeed Far off... that it is actually near?

I'm trying to understand where you were taught that God's time statements in scripture mean the exact opposite of what they say.

Can you elaborate on that for us?
I have stated no such thing that His statements mean the opposite of anything. Just that you obviously missunderstood them.
Nor do you read Greek apparently. Many passages are horribly translated into English, and lose important details.

Seriously though, what are you trying to relay or decipher about the use of near in Revelation?
 
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Daniel ALWAYS understood what he wrote down, we were the ones who had to catch up. And keeping it sealed By God means that God wouldnt allow it to be understood by mankind until He decided it was time for us to know.

I never said Daniel did not understand what he wrote down. He understood it, and was instructed not to divulge what it meant, i.e. not to unseal it.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel obviously wrote the words in the book, and understood what they really meant, but he was under instruction not to tell anyone. Simple.
 
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But no one else knew what he was talking about for generations and generations after His death. He had no Validation that entire time, except that He wrote what God told him. Hundreds of years later he would get vindication, and humanity would be able to understand what He had all along.

But what He wrote did not fit into anyones box of understanding when he was alive. They could not understand it nor interpret it. It was a seemingly unprecedented, unknkown measurement of time. Yet they still respected that it was important enough not to forget.

Quite bizarre. If God tells you you are right, that is the only categorical validation that matters. What kind of categorical validation is your bent?
 
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I have no hang up. I'm just trying to understand your position, so I'm asking clarifying questions.


Ok


Jesus PROMISED the first century people at the Church of Sardis that He would come upon them "as a thief" (Revelaton 3:3)

It seems like you do not believe He followed through with that promise he made specifically to them. That he was issuing empty threats He had no intention of fulfilling, even that he was outright lying to them!

Is that what you are driving at?

Uh huh... you do realize that God, of all people, has the ability to speak litteraly AND PROPHETICALLY AT THE SAME TIME?
 
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Quite bizarre. If God tells you you are right, that is the only categorical validation that matters. What kind of categorical validation is your bent?
What i was trying to relay is that the categorical validation you demanded earlier isnt possible, just as it wasnt for Daniel.
 
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But Daniel could easily validate the meaning; he just was not allowed to.

Not so, He would have had to prove it to his contemporaries. How could He have done that? There was no writting within the Torah to back up His timeline.
 
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There are only two absolute validations; God's validation and historical fulfilment. He could however have explained it to his contemporaries.
Because that always goes over so well.

Im trying to do that very thing here.
 
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Yes, but God's prophecies to Daniel are based on precise numerical sequences and patterns, so they have a mathematical validation that is tantamount to being categorical; once fulfilled they are totally categorical, as if signed by God.

It would be like showing a blueprint of a plane to a good engineer; he would say that is awesome, even though the plane has never been constructed.
 
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Yes, but God's prophecies to Daniel are based on precise numerical sequences and patterns, so they have a mathematical validation that is tantamount to being categorical; once fulfilled they are totally categorical, as if signed by God.

It would be like showing a blueprint of a plane to a good engineer; he would say that is awesome, even though the plane has never been constructed.

1 SHMITAH EVERY 7TH YEAR.
7 SHMITAHS AND THEN A YEAR OF JUBILEE
7 SIMUTAINEOUSLY COMMEMORATIVE AND PROPHETIC FEASTS EVERY YEAR.
YET
1000 ÷ 7 = 142.857142857

HOWEVER
1008 ÷ 7 = 144
A 1008 YEAR MILLENIAM MEANS EXACTLY 144 SHMITAHS EVERY MILLENIAM AND 20 JUBILEES

144 SHMITAHS × 7 MILLENIAMS = 1008 SHMITAH.
1008 YEARS IN A MILLENIAM, 1008 SHMITAHS IN GODS 7 MILLENIAM PLAN.

ALSO, DUE TO THE EIGHT YEARS EVERY MILLENIUM, THE 7TH MILLENIUM, THE REIGN OF CHRIST; HAS 21 JUBILEES.
1 MORE JUBILEE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER MILLENIAMS BEFORE IT.

1008 × 4 = 4032
CREATION DATE 4004 B.C.
4032 - 4004 = 28 A.D.
CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED ON THE EXACT YEAR THAT CONCLUDED THE FIRST FOUR MILLENIUMS.
THE YEAR THAT HE FULFILLED THE FIRST 4 FEASTS.

1008 × 6 = 6048
6048 - 4004 = 2044
OCT 1 2044 VENUS OCCULTS REGULUS ON THE FEAST OF ATONEMENT.
 
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I wasn't singling out any one preacher, but on the whole they really don't know anything useful. This is demonstrated by a complete lack of Spiritual Authority.

And what time period sources would you like? I have posted many links supporting everything I have stated in this thread. Except the dog turd bit.
But I can pull statistics on how pastors in this nation are failing miserably. Better yet, how the Rothschild and Rockefeller empires have been buying, controlling, and shaping nearly every Seminary College since before WW2.

So which resources would you like links to?
If you are going to make the case that Yeshua was born in 4AD, then something from the first century would be nice.
 
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