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For God so loved the world….THIS WORLD….that He gave His only begotten Son so that whoever shall believe in Him should NOT PERISH from this world but have His everlasting life. Believing is DOING His will so that our days shall be multiplied as the “days of heaven upon the earth.” (Deuteronomy 11:21).

This is a here-and-now thing and not a “hereafter” as universally preached by those who have no understanding of the good news. If we are dying from this earth, it is because of sin for the wages of sin is death.

The sting of death is sin….and what a sting it is when we perish from off this earth only to realize it was because of our sins. There is something very wrong in all of the “churches” of men where no flesh is being saved and all are perishing from this earth as there is a great deception going on by the MANY deceivers who are currently in the world leading MANY astray from the narrow Way that leads to life and are going down the broad way to the destruction of their flesh.

John 3:14-20 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


True believing is DOING His will. He comes to give us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true (by doing His will) and be saved….saved from our sins….and saved from the wrath of God that comes upon all men as no flesh is being saved.

We enter into His rest in this earth. We are delivered from this present evil age where the heavens are on fire for our destruction for the wrath of God IS REVEALED from Heaven upon men for their ungodliness.

(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
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God sent His Son into THIS WORLD not to condemn it but that this world through Him might be saved. The world is already condemned for no flesh is being saved as the world and its lusts perish under the wrath of God that comes upon ALL men for ALL men have sinned.

(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


The world and the lust thereof IS PASSING away as we speak for no one in this world is being saved from His wrath that rises upon all men for their sins. The “passing away” of this world is a current thing as men perish from off this earth as they go about their lives “under the sun” of His wrath. Our God is a consuming fire.

BUT, whoever DOES the will of God ABIDES “forever” in this earth and will not “pass away” with the world in its sins.

1 John 2:17 KJV
(17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever
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He delivers us from this present evil age (world). He rescues us out of this hurtful age where we are destroyed …perish from this earth…under the wrath of God for our sins.

Galatians 1:1-5
(1) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead )
(2) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
(3) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
(4) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
(5) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


We must hear His voice and be “born again” not of the corruptible seed of the word of men who preach themselves (in their own authority) and do not have any understanding of the good news that is for the here-and-now. We are born again unto a LIVING HOPE and not a dying one by those who preach that we have to die and go to heaven. Their hope is a dying one...but we who believe have a LIVING HOPE.

1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
(23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

All flesh is as grass….and it withers away under the sun of His wrath that comes upon all men for their sins.

(24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

BUT, the Word of the Lord endures forever and those who will DO it also shall ABIDE in this earth and not wither away to the grave….perish. Those who DO His will shall not perish (the flesh withering away to the grave) but shall have His everlasting life appear in their mortal flesh giving us His eternal, heavenly life in this earth. Our days shall be as the days of heaven upon this earth.

(25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

According to God’s mercy does He beget us AGAIN unto a LIVING hope (not a dying hope that all are preaching) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Jesus WAS dead and IS ALIVE! He IS RISEN NOW…and so we who believe must reckon ourselves also alive now. If all that we have in this life is just hope alone, then we are truly men most miserable.

1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The heavenly life of Jesus shall appear in our mortal flesh in this earth. Our days shall be like the days of heaven upon the earth as we shall have His incorruptible, undefiled heavenly life that does not fade away (like the grass that withers) in this earth. All that have this hope purifies themselves.

(4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

We are to have faith and hope for that which we do not see yet….the heavenly, eternal life of Jesus appearing in our mortal flesh in this earth.

(5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

But the scoffers will come forth towards this message of the good news for us now to mock and continue to walk after their own lusts and say “where is the promise of His coming?” For since the fathers fell asleep (died), all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. All continue to die from this earth.

Yet, the church “fathers” who started the many different churches of men did not have an understanding of the good news of Christ. We are NOT redeemed by the things of our church “fathers” who passed down their handwriting of church dogmas….the doctrines and commandments of men…that are not saving the mortal flesh of anyone that subjects themselves to them. We are not redeemed by the transmissions of men (the handed-down of their handwriting of the church scribes). They have passed away...perished in their sins...from this earth.

2 Peter 3:3-18 KJV
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

(5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
(6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:


The heavens and the earth which are NOW are stored NOW (reserved now) with fire against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. This is a here-and-now thing.

This present age has fire stored in the heavens for our destruction because of our sins. We MUST strive to enter into His rest NOW so that we are delivered from this present evil age where the world and its lusts are passing away as we speak. The wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven.

The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth as they exchange the truth of God for the lie and worship and serve the handwriting of church dogmas (the “elements” that burn us up) more than the Creator. Those who have built upon the foundation of Christ the doctrines and commandments of men (the "hay", wood, stubble) have suffered loss...the loss of their mortal bodies as they perished. They themselves (their spirits) have been saved but as through "fire"...the wrath of God that came upon them.

Why be subject to the church ordinances of men where they set aside the commandment of God to have love for one another in order to keep them and speak evil of others using them as a basis to do so? We are not serving God for doing such things and we perish off this earth in our sins under the present age of destruction as we are only serving sin by doing them. The elements of the earth burn us by the keeping of them. They do not deliver us from His wrath as all perish with the working of the doctrines and commandments of men that are after the rudiments (elements) of the world.

(7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


The Lord is longsuffering towards us and is not willing that any should perish from off this earth but that all should come to repentance. His patience with us is our salvation. We must awake to His righteousness and not keep company with the fleshly-minded men in their churches where NO FLESH is being saved. We must come out from among them.

(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

There remains a rest to the people of God that we must labor (to DO His will) in order to enter into that rest. We are to be delivered from this present evil age where the heavens are on fire for our destruction from this earth and to enter into His rest.

Hebrews 4:9-12 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


We must use the sword of the Spirit....the Word of God.... to put to death the sins of the mortal body…ceasing from our own works.

(12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

If we live after the flesh, we shall die…for the wages of sin is death. Our mortal bodies perish. But, if through the sword of the Spirit do we kill (mortify) the deeds of the body, we shall LIVE in this earth as the Spirit shall make alive our mortal bodies.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
(12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
(13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


There is therefore NOW…NOW….NOW…no condemnation under this present evil age as those who are IN Christ Jesus do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit. They have kill sin with the sword and have entered into His rest. He gives us the power to become the sons of God by putting to death the sins of the body through the Spirit.

Romans 8:1-2 KJV
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

To be carnally-minded is death. The carnal mind is hostility against God and is NOT subject to the law of God and neither can it be. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 8:6-11 KJV
(6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
(7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


If we are led by the Spirit, then He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also make alive our MORTAL BODIES by His Spirit that dwells in us. He gives us the power to become the sons of God.

(11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

As believers, we MUST put to death sin in our mortal bodies. We cannot live in this earth without doing so. We must labor to enter His rest and out of the wrath that comes upon all men for their sins.

Romans 6:1-13 KJV
(1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
(2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
(3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


We are to die to sins daily (being “buried” with Him) thereby having the likeness of His resurrection. We must not serve sin at all or we perish.

(4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
(6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.


NOW if we are “dead” with Christ, we believe that we shall also LIVE now with Him for Christ is raised from the dead now and does not die anymore as death has no more dominion over Him. This is a here-and-now thing. We believe that we live with Him NOW. Let us not listen to the false prophets who are preaching their covenant with death and their agreement with the grave when Jesus IS ALIVE now so that we might have His life NOW.

(8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
(9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


We must put to death the sins of the body with the flaming sword of the Spirit…the Word of God. We are to DO His Word and enter into the Way that leads to life.

Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
(22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The carnal mind that “tills the ground”….living after the flesh…cannot please God. The carnal mind that lives after the flesh and not according to the Spirit cannot please God nor is it subject to His law nor can it be.

(23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


We must DO His commandments (the “garden” that we are to work and keep). This is the place where we know God and take delight (the meaning of “Eden” is “delight, pleasure”) in doing His commandments.

Matthew 7:12-15 KJV
(12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

We enter in to the narrow Way by doing unto others as we would have them do to us. Narrow is the Way which leads to life (the Way of the tree of life).

MANY are going down the wrong path in the churches of fleshly-minded men who are leading many astray with their teachings and commandments of men.

(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find i
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Beware of the many false prophets who want to lead you astray from the Way and down the broad way that leads to the destruction of our mortal body. They come to us in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

They come posing as ministers of righteousness as they preach for doctrines the teachings and commandments of men that they want you to exchange the keeping of the commandment of God (to have love for one another) for in order to keep their handwriting of church dogmas.

They glory that they are true apostles…truly sent by Christ…but they are not. They are transformed as the ministers of righteousness whose end is according to their works. Their end is destruction from off this earth as their mortal bodies perish and they take MANY down with them in their deception.

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 KJV
(12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
(13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 

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Near the beginning it appears as if you are saying this flesh body should not die if we would just do as we should (and should regardless), but we know for sure God choose to specifically limit us to 120 years maximum in Genesis chapter 6.

So that mortal limit of time on this temporary fleshy body is from the Lord God, our Creator.

But we can gain eternal Life by trusting and believing in Christ, and thus following Him, keeping His Words in our hearts and putting His words into practice.
 
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Peace brothers. Thanks for reading and the feedback.

Jesus was resurrected in the mortal flesh and does not die anymore. He was dead but is alive now and forevermore so that we might have His eternal life now in this earth. He gives His flesh for the life of this world.

But we must always live according to the Spirit and not after the flesh. If we live after the flesh and not according to the Spirit of God within us, we shall die as our mortal bodies perish from off this earth.

There is a conflict….a striving…if we continue to live after the flesh when we have His Spirit within us. The Spirit and the flesh are contrary to each other…there is a striving within man who lives after the flesh and not according to the Spirit.

God’s Spirit will not ALWAYS strive with fleshly-acting man…with man who continues to walk after the flesh (for he is ALSO FLESH) and not according to the Spirit that lives in him.

Genesis 6:3 KJV
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

IF the Spirit of God lives in us, we must always walk in that Spirit and not after the flesh…in envy, strife, hatred of one another, etc. ….which we find in all of the churches of fleshly-minded men where no mortal flesh is being saved.

We must no longer be partaker with them in their churches where the Spirit is striving with man. We must come out from among them….from among the children of disobedience where the wrath of God comes upon them.

We know that the previous world was destroyed with water but NOW in this present heavens and earth that the heavens are stored with fire for our destruction…for our ungodliness if we hold down the Truth by putting aside His commandment to have love for one another in order to worship and serve the handwriting of church dogmas that many use to speak evil of others…judging others.

MANY are being led astray by false prophets from the Way that leads to His life now and down the broad way to that destruction of their mortal flesh.

The scoffers in the churches of fleshly-minded men will scoff and continue to walk after their own lusts…walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.

They will scoff at the message of the life of Jesus being made manifest in our mortal flesh in this earth and will point to the fact that His eternal life has not been made manifest as all are dying. All are perishing within their churches.

2 Peter 3:3-7 KJV
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?
for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
(5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
(6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:


The children of disobedience in all of the churches of men are perishing under His wrath as the heavens and the earth which are NOW are stored with fire against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

His life is not being made manifest because they are being deceived by false prophets into living after the flesh and not after the Spirit….just as it was in the days of Noah…only that it is fire now that destroys our mortal bodies for we wither away unto the grave under the sun of His rising wrath. The heavens and the earth WHICH ARE NOW are stored with fire for their destruction. They have not entered into His rest as the Spirit strives with the flesh within them.

(7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

We must put to death the works of the flesh so that our mortal bodies shall have the everlasting life of Jesus who gives HIS FLESH for the life of this world.

Those who have crucified the deeds of the body are in Christ Jesus where all things become new. We are then now a new creation in Him who is the firstborn from the dead. The old things of death, sorrow, pain are passed away for us. We are then delivered out of this present evil age where the heavens and the earth which are now are stored with fire for our destruction.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
(17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


The tabernacle of God is with men…in this earth…as the old things of death, sorrow, crying and pain will have passed away for us in the here and now as we crucify the deeds of this mortal body...His tabernacle upon this earth. We are then delivered out of this present age where the old things of death, sorrow and pain exist and we cross over to the next age….one with His eternal life....an age lasting life....for the kingdom of God is everlasting and not a dying one.

Revelation 21:3-5 KJV
(3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


Yes, I am speaking of our mortal, fleshly bodies being made alive by the Spirit giving us the eternal life of Jesus without dying from this earth….the true “spirit body” if you will.

Living according to the Spirit gives our mortal bodies eternal life. We are to live according to the Spirit always (sowing continually in the Spirit) which gives our mortal bodies the eternal life of Jesus who was resurrected in the flesh.

By the keeping of His “daily” sacrifice (bearing about IN THE BODY the dying of the Lord Jesus), then the life of Jesus shall be made manifest outwardly in our mortal body….our MORTAL FLESH. We must die to sin always…keeping His death so that we may have His resurrected life …and He was resurrected in the mortal flesh.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.


The fleshly body is dead because of sin…..BUT the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

If we are always led by the Spirit, then the mortal body (which is already dead because of sin) is made alive. We put to death the deeds of the body with the Spirit that gives our mortal bodies His everlasting life. We must ALWAYS sow after the Spirit in order to reap His everlasting life in this mortal body.

Romans 8:10-11 KJV
(10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

IF the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus (whose resurrection was in the flesh….physical) dwells in us, He that raised Christ from the dead (His physical body was resurrected) shall also make alive our MORTAL BODIES by His Spirit that dwells in us. We are given the power to BECOME the sons of God by His Spirit...but we must live always according to that Spirit so that we shall reap His everlasting life in this mortal body...the everlasting temple of the Spirit of God.

(11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Even if we have received His Spirit in this mortal body (the temple of the Holy Spirit) but continue to live after the flesh, we shall die. We shall perish from off this earth. We must live according to the Spirit and using the Spirit to put to death the sins of the body.

Notice again in Genesis 6:3 that the LORD said that His Spirit shall not always STRIVE WITH MAN. IF we continue to live after the flesh (he is also flesh), we shall die….our days on this earth are numbered so to speak.

Genesis 6:3 KJV
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

But Noah (meaning “REST”) found grace in the eyes of the LORD. The Spirit found “rest” in Noah as Noah walked with God. The Spirit of God did not have to STRIVE with Noah but found rest within him.

Genesis 6:8 KJV
(8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Noah walked with God….walking in the Spirit of God…. and did not fulfill the lust of the flesh….envy, strife, etc. His Spirit did not strive with Noah but found rest in him. Let us be found in the "generations of Noah" now by walking according to the Spirit of God and not after the flesh.

Genesis 6:9 KJV
(9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


Those who have His Spirit and yet continue to live according to the flesh are putting the Spirit of God to strive with those who do such things. His Spirit will not always strive within us if we keep living after the flesh.

The flesh lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. These are “contrary” to each other. His Spirit will not always strive with men who continue to walk after the flesh. If we walk after the flesh and not after His Spirit, then we shall die. Our mortal bodies shall die from this earth.

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years”.

Galatians 5:16-26 KJV
(16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


IF we are led of the Spirit (by crucifying the works of the flesh…..the envy, strife, etc), then we are not under the law….the law of sin and death. There is NO CONDEMNATION for those who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. IF we live according to the flesh and not after the Spirit, our mortal bodies die for our sins for the wages of sin is death (the law of sin and death).

(18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
(20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
(21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

(22)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Those who live in the Spirit must walk in the Spirit. “Walking” is continuous as we journey the pathway into life in this earth.

(25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(26) Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one anothe
r.

We MUST…. with the Spirit…. put to death sin in our mortal bodies so that we may live His eternal life in this mortal body in this earth. We are DEBTORS not to the flesh to live after the flesh. If we live after the flesh, we shall die for the Spirit of God shall not always strive with us if we do.

BUT if through the Spirit do we kill the deeds of the body, we shall live in this body….in this temple of the Spirit.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
(12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
(13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live
.

Those who are always led by the Spirit of God are the “sons of God”.

(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Jesus was resurrected….in the flesh. This is the good news for the here-and-now in this earth in our mortal bodies. We are God’s creations (this mortal body of flesh is His temple) in this great creation of His. Our mortal bodies are purchased with a price and they belong to God.
 
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The Lord did NOT pray that we should be TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD but that God should keep us from the evil OF this world…the pollutions of this world.

John 17:15-17 KJV
(15) I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
(16) They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Because “I LIVE, YOU SHALL LIVE ALSO”. Jesus IS ALIVE not dead. Why are the false teachers preaching their agreement with the grave then when He is ALIVE NOW and prays that we be NOT taken out of the world?

John 14:19-20 KJV
(19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
(20) At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.


The false teachers seek to change the times of salvation and the fulfilling of the law in our lives.

Now is our salvation nearer than when we believed….as we were led to believe that we had to “die and go to heaven” when it is for the here-and-now. Jesus was sent into this world so that this world might have life.

NOW is the time of our salvation. It is “high time” to awake out of our "sleep" and put on the Lord Jesus Christ and not make provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts of it. If we continue to walk in our lusts of the flesh….the envy, strife, etc, we shall die. But if we cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of Light….putting on the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved. Our mortal flesh shall be saved in this earth.

We have no liberty (that the false teachers promise us) from the fulfilling the law……to have love for one another. We must keep His commandments and LIVE.

Romans 13:10-14 KJV
(10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
(12) The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
(13) Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
(14) But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


He gives us the power (the Spirit) to become the sons of God. He that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING….and that life is His life appearing in our mortal flesh in this earth.

Galatians 6:7-9 KJV
(7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(8) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


Let us not be weary in well doing for in due season we shall reap life everlasting. We are NOT to be taken out of this world but shall abide because we will have His everlasting life IF we faint not in well doing….sowing to the Spirit.

(9) And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Yet, false teachers are busy teaching that we are to be taken out of the world as they preach their covenant with death and their agreement with the grave when Jesus ALREADY died for us so that we might have His life NOW in this world.

They have no understanding of the good news of our salvation (salvation is NOW) as they are serving for their own belly…for their own earthly necessities. There are MANY enemies of the cross of Christ in the churches of fleshly-minded men who are not being led by the Spirit but walk after their own lusts as they preach for pay . We are to be “followers together” with Paul who worked with his own hands to support his own earthly necessities.

Philippians 3:17-21 KJV
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:


The end of the enemies of the cross is destruction as they perish in their mortal bodies from off this earth. They are minding earthly things: what to eat, what to drink, what to wear. They preach for money in order to get their belly filled. Their god is their belly.

(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

They do not understand the glorious gospel (good news) of the salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ who will change our vile (humiliated by sin) body so that it may be fashioned unto His glorious body. They are not looking for this mortal body to be changed as they expect to “die and go to heaven”. Salvation is NOW for those who truly believe.

(20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
(21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


They are enemies of the cross of Christ as they take away the keeping of His “daily” sacrifice (always bearing about the dying of our Lord in our bodies) out of the lives of so many and His life is not being made manifest. They seek to change the times of salvation on us. MANY are not looking for Him to appear….appear in our mortal flesh…as they are not being taught the Word of Truth as their “teachers” have no understanding.

The false teachers and their followers are all being taken out of this world because they go astray from the Way that leads to His life in this earth. The false prophets lead many away from being led by the Spirit and instead want you to sow according to the flesh as they introduce to you their handwriting of church dogmas that they expect you to serve and fight with others over. They do these things for money’s sake. Serving their handwriting of church ordinances is walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.

The thief only comes to steal, KILL and destroy those who are being led astray by him.

But Jesus comes so we might have LIFE and to have it more abundantly. This is His life and it is for us in the here-and-now.

John 10:10 KJV
(10) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.


The Bible has many warnings against those who come forth to deceive us…..because they will beguile us of our reward: the manifestation of the eternal life of Jesus in our mortal flesh. They defile our flesh…our mortal flesh.

The want us to live after the flesh and not after the Spirit by having us conform to their handwriting of church dogmas and using it to speak evil of others which is not doing the law....to have love for one another. There is only One LAWGIVER. Let us not judge others using the church handwriting of ordinances to do so. There is only One Judge who is able to save and destroy.

James 4:11-12 KJV
(11) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
(12) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?


The false prophets come forth just as we are escaping the evil (the pollutions) of this world and speak great swelling words of vanity.

2 Peter 2:18-22 KJV
(18) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

They promise us “liberty”….liberty from having love for one another (the Holy Commandment that was given to us to keep). According to them, salvation is guaranteed and yet they are perishing away to the grave and want us to join along with them. They want to bring us into the bondage of the keeping of their handwriting of ordinances….and fighting others over them is acceptable as you are doing it supposedly in God’s name….His authority.

But, there is no liberty to do so. We must not set aside the Holy Commandment in order to keep their doctrines and commandments of men that are not saving the mortal flesh of anyone. They want to bring us into their bondage.

They are the servants of corruption…..decay. If we sow according to the flesh, we reap decay of our flesh. They defile our flesh and we must come out from among them and not be overcome by them. If we are overcome by them, then the latter end is worse than the beginning.

(19) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
(21) For it had been better for them not to have
known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
(22) But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

In the end, we are destroyed from off this earth. We must come out from among them or we give our honor unto others and our years unto the cruel. They shall fill their selves with our wealth and we labor for them in their churches for nothing.

Proverbs 5:8-14 KJV
(8) Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house:
(9) Lest thou give thine honour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel:
(10) Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger;

At the last, when our flesh and body are consumed, we shall mourn....

(11) And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed,
(12) And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
(13) And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!
(14) I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.


In vain do they worship Him as they teach for doctrines the commandments of men….their handwriting of ordinances that are not saving the mortal flesh of anyone that are using them.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
(8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
(9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Just like the scribes and Pharisees did to the disciples, they use them to speak evil of others who do not keep their carnal commandments.

Matthew 15:1-3 KJV
(1) Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
(2) Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

They transgress the commandment of God (to have love for one another) in order to keep their “tradition”…their transmission of men scribed by a fleshly-minded man in his handwriting of ordinances passed down for us to keep and serve and worship instead of the Creator.

(3) But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
 
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Many come forth in order to lead us astray from the Way (do unto others as you would have them do to you) that leads to His life in this earth.

The doing of the “golden rule” is the fulfilling of the law and the prophets and is the Way of righteousness that leads to the life of Jesus being made manifest in our mortal flesh in this earth. The law and the prophets (the 2 witnesses) are “dead” when we do not remember to do them.

Matthew 7:12-20 KJV
(12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

MANY are being led astray by the false prophets unto the destruction of their mortal bodies from this earth. We must not sit together with them or we are on the pathway to “hell”…the grave.

(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Outwardly they appear righteous and preach things that seem right….but in the end, their things bring forth the fruit of death.

(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
(16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
(17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
(19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fir
e.

Their fruits are the fruit of death for all that follow them are perishing from off this earth.

(20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

When we serve and worship their handwriting of church dogmas, we are serving sin as we use them to judge others…speaking evil of those who do not keep our particular teachings and carnal commandments. We set aside His commandment to have love for one another in order to keep the transmission (“tradition”) of men….their handwriting of church ordinances. If we obey sin, then we die. The fruit of those things is death to our mortal bodies for the wages of sin is death.

Romans 6:16-23 KJV
(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousnes
s?

We are servants of sin by doing so….but we must “awake” to His righteousness and obey FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine (have love for one another) which was delivered unto us to keep. We must not have feigned love for one another but genuine….from the heart.

(17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


We once served and worshipped the handwriting of fleshly-minded men who wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction but now we understand and serve righteousness instead.

(19) I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
(20) For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousn
ess.

The fruit of those things….the end of those things of fleshly-minded men…is always death for NO FLESH is being saved in ANY “church” built by men. Their “church” is structured by their handwriting that destroys many people.

(21) What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


The false prophets (who dwell on the earth……that is, they are minding earthly things) rejoice when you do not remember to fulfill the law and the prophets (the 2 witnesses). They make “merry” and gifts are sent. They preach for gifts…offerings…tithes, etc….whatever you want to call it….and rejoice in their preaching for money.

Revelation 11:8-10 KJV
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

We are to remember to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Their “dead bodies” are not put in to the “graves”…that is, in REMEMBERANCE.

(9) And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
(10) And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


They use flattering words to deceive us. They preach things that they should not be (the doctrines and commandments of men) for money’s sake.

Their tongues preach many strange doctrines in their covetousness for money that are contrary to the teaching of Christ who taught us to have love for one another. Be not carried about with the many strange teachings of fleshly minded men who are serving sin unto death and not serving righteousness unto life.

Hebrews 13:9 KJV
(9) Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Their tongue is the “strange woman” who seeks to seduce us into going to their church....keeping company with them and keeping their doctrines and commandments.

Proverbs 5: KJV
(1) My son, attend unto my wisdom, and bow thine ear to my understanding:
(2) That thou mayest regard discretion, and that thy lips may keep knowledge.


They speak good words and fair speeches to deceive the simple of heart. Their mouth is “smoother than oil”.

(3) For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:

But her end (and those who sit together with them) is BITTER as wormwood. Death is awaiting…and the sting of death is sin when we realized after we pass away from this earth because of sin and we committed “fornication” with those we were sitting together with. Let us flee the “fornication”…the sitting together with those who use their mouths to preach things that they should not be for money’s sake.

(4) But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.

Those who go to their churches are on that broad path that goes to their destruction of their mortal flesh from this earth. Her feet go down to death. Let us not be led astray by them. Her steps take hold on Sheol (hell)….the grave. Let us not follow after them.

(5) Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
(6) Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them.

Let us hear and remove out way FAR from “her”….far from the flattering tongue that works our ruin.

(7) Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth.
(8) Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house:
(9) Lest thou give thine honour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel:
(10) Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger;

If we stay in their churches, we become ONE FLESH with them. We must not be joined together with them or we shall “mourn at the last” when our flesh and body have perished…

(11) And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed,

…and will say “how I hated instruction and my heart despised reproof…”. The sting of our death is sin. It is a great “sting” to realize we had perished because of the “fornication”…the sitting together with them in their churches.

(12) And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
(13) And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!
(14) I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.

Don’t let a man bring you into his bondage…into keeping his church doctrines and commandments that are not saving the mortal flesh of any who use them. I will NOT be brought under the power of any man.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20 KJV
(12) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Our mortal body is not for “fornication”….sitting together with those who preach strange doctrines (the meats many are “eating”) in order to feed their own belly. They do not serve our Lord but their own belly…their “god”.

(13) Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
(14) And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

Our mortal bodies are the members of Christ.

We must NOT take our mortal bodies and make them the member of a “harlot”….the flattering tongue that preaches strange doctrines for money’s sake…for their own covetousness. We must not go and sit in their churches together with them (the “fornication”) for those who are joined together with them are one body. We become ONE FLESH with them…and they are being destroyed in their mortal flesh. And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed (Proverbs 5:11).

(15) Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
(16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
(17) But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

We must FLEE FORNICATION by not sitting with them in their churches. Those who do are sinning against their own mortal body for they are being destroyed along with them.

(18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
(19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

We MUST come out from among them and be separate. We must not keep company with them in their churches where they speak feigned words through their covetousness.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 KJV
(9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
(11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

It is a judgment call not to sit together with them in their churches. Who are we to judge those who are on the outside world when we should be worried about who we are sitting together with?

(12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Their damnation does not slumber as they are perishing from off this earth under the wrath of God that comes upon the children of disobedience.

2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 
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For God so loved the world….THIS WORLD….that He gave His only begotten Son so that whoever shall believe in Him should NOT PERISH from this world but have His everlasting life. Believing is DOING His will so that our days shall be multiplied as the “days of heaven upon the earth.” (Deuteronomy 11:21).

This is a here-and-now thing and not a “hereafter” as universally preached by those who have no understanding of the good news. If we are dying from this earth, it is because of sin for the wages of sin is death.

The sting of death is sin….and what a sting it is when we perish from off this earth only to realize it was because of our sins. There is something very wrong in all of the “churches” of men where no flesh is being saved and all are perishing from this earth as there is a great deception going on by the MANY deceivers who are currently in the world leading MANY astray from the narrow Way that leads to life and are going down the broad way to the destruction of their flesh.

John 3:14-20 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


True believing is DOING His will. He comes to give us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true (by doing His will) and be saved….saved from our sins….and saved from the wrath of God that comes upon all men as no flesh is being saved.

We enter into His rest in this earth. We are delivered from this present evil age where the heavens are on fire for our destruction for the wrath of God IS REVEALED from Heaven upon men for their ungodliness.

(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
.

God sent His Son into THIS WORLD not to condemn it but that this world through Him might be saved. The world is already condemned for no flesh is being saved as the world and its lusts perish under the wrath of God that comes upon ALL men for ALL men have sinned.

(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


The world and the lust thereof IS PASSING away as we speak for no one in this world is being saved from His wrath that rises upon all men for their sins. The “passing away” of this world is a current thing as men perish from off this earth as they go about their lives “under the sun” of His wrath. Our God is a consuming fire.

BUT, whoever DOES the will of God ABIDES “forever” in this earth and will not “pass away” with the world in its sins.

1 John 2:17 KJV
(17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever
.

He delivers us from this present evil age (world). He rescues us out of this hurtful age where we are destroyed …perish from this earth…under the wrath of God for our sins.

Galatians 1:1-5
(1) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead )
(2) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
(3) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
(4) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
(5) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


We must hear His voice and be “born again” not of the corruptible seed of the word of men who preach themselves (in their own authority) and do not have any understanding of the good news that is for the here-and-now. We are born again unto a LIVING HOPE and not a dying one by those who preach that we have to die and go to heaven. Their hope is a dying one...but we who believe have a LIVING HOPE.

1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
(23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

All flesh is as grass….and it withers away under the sun of His wrath that comes upon all men for their sins.

(24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

BUT, the Word of the Lord endures forever and those who will DO it also shall ABIDE in this earth and not wither away to the grave….perish. Those who DO His will shall not perish (the flesh withering away to the grave) but shall have His everlasting life appear in their mortal flesh giving us His eternal, heavenly life in this earth. Our days shall be as the days of heaven upon this earth.

(25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

According to God’s mercy does He beget us AGAIN unto a LIVING hope (not a dying hope that all are preaching) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Jesus WAS dead and IS ALIVE! He IS RISEN NOW…and so we who believe must reckon ourselves also alive now. If all that we have in this life is just hope alone, then we are truly men most miserable.

1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The heavenly life of Jesus shall appear in our mortal flesh in this earth. Our days shall be like the days of heaven upon the earth as we shall have His incorruptible, undefiled heavenly life that does not fade away (like the grass that withers) in this earth. All that have this hope purifies themselves.

(4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

We are to have faith and hope for that which we do not see yet….the heavenly, eternal life of Jesus appearing in our mortal flesh in this earth.

(5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

But the scoffers will come forth towards this message of the good news for us now to mock and continue to walk after their own lusts and say “where is the promise of His coming?” For since the fathers fell asleep (died), all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. All continue to die from this earth.

Yet, the church “fathers” who started the many different churches of men did not have an understanding of the good news of Christ. We are NOT redeemed by the things of our church “fathers” who passed down their handwriting of church dogmas….the doctrines and commandments of men…that are not saving the mortal flesh of anyone that subjects themselves to them. We are not redeemed by the transmissions of men (the handed-down of their handwriting of the church scribes). They have passed away...perished in their sins...from this earth.

2 Peter 3:3-18 KJV
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

(5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
(6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:


The heavens and the earth which are NOW are stored NOW (reserved now) with fire against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. This is a here-and-now thing.

This present age has fire stored in the heavens for our destruction because of our sins. We MUST strive to enter into His rest NOW so that we are delivered from this present evil age where the world and its lusts are passing away as we speak. The wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven.

The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth as they exchange the truth of God for the lie and worship and serve the handwriting of church dogmas (the “elements” that burn us up) more than the Creator. Those who have built upon the foundation of Christ the doctrines and commandments of men (the "hay", wood, stubble) have suffered loss...the loss of their mortal bodies as they perished. They themselves (their spirits) have been saved but as through "fire"...the wrath of God that came upon them.

Why be subject to the church ordinances of men where they set aside the commandment of God to have love for one another in order to keep them and speak evil of others using them as a basis to do so? We are not serving God for doing such things and we perish off this earth in our sins under the present age of destruction as we are only serving sin by doing them. The elements of the earth burn us by the keeping of them. They do not deliver us from His wrath as all perish with the working of the doctrines and commandments of men that are after the rudiments (elements) of the world.

(7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


The Lord is longsuffering towards us and is not willing that any should perish from off this earth but that all should come to repentance. His patience with us is our salvation. We must awake to His righteousness and not keep company with the fleshly-minded men in their churches where NO FLESH is being saved. We must come out from among them.

(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

There remains a rest to the people of God that we must labor (to DO His will) in order to enter into that rest. We are to be delivered from this present evil age where the heavens are on fire for our destruction from this earth and to enter into His rest.

Hebrews 4:9-12 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


We must use the sword of the Spirit....the Word of God.... to put to death the sins of the mortal body…ceasing from our own works.

(12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

If we live after the flesh, we shall die…for the wages of sin is death. Our mortal bodies perish. But, if through the sword of the Spirit do we kill (mortify) the deeds of the body, we shall LIVE in this earth as the Spirit shall make alive our mortal bodies.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
(12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
(13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


There is therefore NOW…NOW….NOW…no condemnation under this present evil age as those who are IN Christ Jesus do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit. They have kill sin with the sword and have entered into His rest. He gives us the power to become the sons of God by putting to death the sins of the body through the Spirit.

Romans 8:1-2 KJV
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

To be carnally-minded is death. The carnal mind is hostility against God and is NOT subject to the law of God and neither can it be. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 8:6-11 KJV
(6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
(7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


If we are led by the Spirit, then He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also make alive our MORTAL BODIES by His Spirit that dwells in us. He gives us the power to become the sons of God.

(11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

As believers, we MUST put to death sin in our mortal bodies. We cannot live in this earth without doing so. We must labor to enter His rest and out of the wrath that comes upon all men for their sins.

Romans 6:1-13 KJV
(1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
(2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
(3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


We are to die to sins daily (being “buried” with Him) thereby having the likeness of His resurrection. We must not serve sin at all or we perish.

(4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
(6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.


NOW if we are “dead” with Christ, we believe that we shall also LIVE now with Him for Christ is raised from the dead now and does not die anymore as death has no more dominion over Him. This is a here-and-now thing. We believe that we live with Him NOW. Let us not listen to the false prophets who are preaching their covenant with death and their agreement with the grave when Jesus IS ALIVE now so that we might have His life NOW.

(8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
(9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


We must put to death the sins of the body with the flaming sword of the Spirit…the Word of God. We are to DO His Word and enter into the Way that leads to life.

Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
(22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The carnal mind that “tills the ground”….living after the flesh…cannot please God. The carnal mind that lives after the flesh and not according to the Spirit cannot please God nor is it subject to His law nor can it be.

(23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


We must DO His commandments (the “garden” that we are to work and keep). This is the place where we know God and take delight (the meaning of “Eden” is “delight, pleasure”) in doing His commandments.

Matthew 7:12-15 KJV
(12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

We enter in to the narrow Way by doing unto others as we would have them do to us. Narrow is the Way which leads to life (the Way of the tree of life).

MANY are going down the wrong path in the churches of fleshly-minded men who are leading many astray with their teachings and commandments of men.

(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find i
t.

Beware of the many false prophets who want to lead you astray from the Way and down the broad way that leads to the destruction of our mortal body. They come to us in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

They come posing as ministers of righteousness as they preach for doctrines the teachings and commandments of men that they want you to exchange the keeping of the commandment of God (to have love for one another) for in order to keep their handwriting of church dogmas.

They glory that they are true apostles…truly sent by Christ…but they are not. They are transformed as the ministers of righteousness whose end is according to their works. Their end is destruction from off this earth as their mortal bodies perish and they take MANY down with them in their deception.

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 KJV
(12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
(13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
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ORBITOR:

You are trying to mix the kingdoms together. Jesus preached two kingdoms,one to Israel and alter the kingdom of God; after John's death. That is because that ended the Jews chances for the kingdom of Heaven being set up again for them.
After that, Jesus started preaching the kingdom of God, which is heavenly , not earthly. This is the kingdom in which those in Christ Jesus will be seated.

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Hi Andy,

Peace brother.

I have often pondered before if there was a difference between the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God but am of the mind that they are the same as they are used interchangeably.

For example in Matthew 19, we see that Jesus uses both “kingdom of heaven” and “kingdom of God” interchangeably to say the same thing to His disciples.

Matthew 19:23-24 KJV
(23) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

“And again I say unto you….”

(24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

And then we see that the kingdom of God was taken from the Jewish chief priests and Pharisees and given to a nation that will bring forth the fruits thereof….

Matthew 21:42-46 KJV
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
(46) But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
 
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