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Like the internet right? I mean I'm sure you live hand to mouth and give all your money to the poor.

The world is a mess. Mankind is a mess. People want, want, want. They dont want a simple life.

Priorities are all wrong.

Jesus lived a simple life. Mankind does not want that life. Spend, spend, spend!

Lets race into space! Forget the starving. Forget the homeless. Forget the naked. Forget the suffering!

Lets spend all our money on what we want! What pleasures we can have. What things others cant afford!

What a selfish world we live in.

Race to space and leave the world behind!
 
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The world is a mess. Mankind is a mess. People want, want, want. They dont want a simple life.

Priorities are all wrong.

Jesus lived a simple life. Mankind does not want that life. Spend, spend, spend!

Lets race into space! Forget the starving. Forget the homeless. Forget the naked. Forget the suffering!

Lets spend all our money on what we want! What pleasures we can have. What things others cant afford!

What a selfish world we live in.

Race to space and leave the world behind!

Quite a few of the things we now have that make life easier for the poor (and everything else) came from the space program.
 
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Asking how much Welfare programs cost is the wrong question and a red herring.

The right question is to look at the totality of the situation.
The Right Questions to ask are:
  • What is the ramification of Welfare?
  • How much does Welfare Cost?
  • What does Welfare Prevent?

  • The US houses roughly 2 MILLION prisoners
  • It costs roughly $40k per year per prisoner
  • It costs roughly $40k to have a trial by jury
  • Death penalty cases cost an average of $1M per case (including appeals, etc)
  • The cost "per crime" to society is hard to calculate: property damage, injury to the citizenry, apprehension, loss of life, opportunity costs

On the flip side, every person growing up "on Welfare" that then goes on to be a productive member of society (i.e. a Tax Paying citizen) is a positive. These numbers would also be hard to correctly figure out...

So the real argument for or against Welfare is simple. Add up all the benefits of Welfare and then subtract from the cost of $152 billion. If the answer is positive then Welfare (as we know it) is of positive benefit to society. If the answer is negative, then you can argue that Welfare (as we know it) is of negative utility to society.

Blindly throwing out the statement "Welfare cost $152B" is a half formed argument at best and disingenuous at worst.

I submit when you look at the entirety of the situation and include actual real world data that Welfare is a net positive to society. Especially when you factor in that we spend nearly $600B a year on our military, more than the next 10 countries combined...

I can't see how anyone with an understanding of basic mathematics, logical deduction, and any sense or morality whatsoever can argue against Welfare.

now, perhaps you can argue to make it better or to tweak it here or there... sure, that is fine. But to argue "getting rid" of Welfare is not a sound argument; it is an emotional argument
 
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Asking how much Welfare programs cost is the wrong question and a red herring.

The right question is to look at the totality of the situation.
The Right Questions to ask are:
  • What is the ramification of Welfare?
  • How much does Welfare Cost?
  • What does Welfare Prevent?

  • The US houses roughly 2 MILLION prisoners
  • It costs roughly $40k per year per prisoner
  • It costs roughly $40k to have a trial by jury
  • Death penalty cases cost an average of $1M per case (including appeals, etc)
  • The cost "per crime" to society is hard to calculate: property damage, injury to the citizenry, apprehension, loss of life, opportunity costs

On the flip side, every person growing up "on Welfare" that then goes on to be a productive member of society (i.e. a Tax Paying citizen) is a positive. These numbers would also be hard to correctly figure out...

So the real argument for or against Welfare is simple. Add up all the benefits of Welfare and then subtract from the cost of $152 billion. If the answer is positive then Welfare (as we know it) is of positive benefit to society. If the answer is negative, then you can argue that Welfare (as we know it) is of negative utility to society.

Blindly throwing out the statement "Welfare cost $152B" is a half formed argument at best and disingenuous at worst.

I submit when you look at the entirety of the situation and include actual real world data that Welfare is a net positive to society. Especially when you factor in that we spend nearly $600B a year on our military, more than the next 10 countries combined...

I can't see how anyone with an understanding of basic mathematics, logical deduction, and any sense or morality whatsoever can argue against Welfare.

now, perhaps you can argue to make it better or to tweak it here or there... sure, that is fine. But to argue "getting rid" of Welfare is not a sound argument; it is an emotional argument

I was simply responding to those who were saying that the space program is a big waste of money and that we should be using all that money instead on the poor. Here's an example:

The world is a mess. Mankind is a mess. People want, want, want. They dont want a simple life.

Priorities are all wrong.

Jesus lived a simple life. Mankind does not want that life. Spend, spend, spend!

Lets race into space! Forget the starving. Forget the homeless. Forget the naked. Forget the suffering!

Lets spend all our money on what we want! What pleasures we can have. What things others cant afford!

What a selfish world we live in.

Race to space and leave the world behind!
 
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Am I the only one who thought that the booster rocket landings looked simulated? I mean, I couldn't wrap my mind around it. It didn't look real.
Dude that's nothing, SpaceX has a booster that will land on a platform out at sea.

Usually.

 
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You are wrong.

Manking should concentrate on feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, looking after the sick etc. Space travel is worthless.

Satellite data is being used to improve crop yields, which helps feed the hungry.
 
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Satellite data is being used to improve crop yields, which helps feed the hungry.

Space exploration has produced real and I hope lasting benefits to mankind. Weather forecasting and climate data, electronic communications, navigation, resource location, agriculture, medicine and, last but not least, our understanding of the universe. Without it our world would be a poorer place.
 
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You are wrong.

Manking should concentrate on feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, looking after the sick etc. Space travel is worthless.

People need dreams, indeed without dreams the people perish. Being a multiplanetary species offers a number of material benefits - e.g. a wider pool of raw materials, energy supplies. Also there is the spur to innovation that occurs with solving problems of this magnitude. These technological improvements do end up trickling down and improving the conditions of all. Anyway who says space and feeding the hungry are mutually exclusive. The long term benefits of space will add to the resources available to care for poor people.
 
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