If the real Jesus were your pastor, would you leave that church?

Johnny4ChristJesus · Jan 19, 2018

in-his-steps said:
If we would just look how many churches are teaching how to love God with all our souls and how many churches are teaching how to love others, then we will know which church would welcome Jesus

I'm not so sure. In Revelation 2 & 3, Jesus spoke to each church and made a promise only to "those who overcome"--not to the whole local body. The Ekklesia (true church) is composed of those who God has born again. If God has woken someone up to Him, why would they need a human teacher to teach them how to love God with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength? Shouldn't it come naturally, if "all things are created new" and they now know that they know God and are commanded to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh? At bare minimum, shouldn't the love of God be natural for someone who has truly been born again?

And, sometimes what "churches" teach on how to love others is steeped in human wisdom and strength, not God's wisdom and strength.

ewq1938 · Jan 19, 2018

Dave-W said:
I think most modern Christians would not stand to have an Orthodox Jew as their pastor.

He was more unorthodox actually but that only applied to him as a man under the first covenant. Being the mediator of the new covenant and not being a human being/man any more means he would not be a Jew or Orthodox but the Messiah who is God, the creator of Christianity and arguably the first Christian.

A Christian follows Christ, not literally walking but spiritually walking IN HIS TEACHINGS, what he believed in, the truths and depths he revealed.

Did Jesus practice what he preached ie: did he follow his own teachings? Of course.

Was Jesus Christ a Christian? Yes, the first one, the originator of it.

Dave-W · Jan 20, 2018

ewq1938 said:
He was more unorthodox actually but that only applied to him as a man under the first covenant.

No, he was Orthodox. Any honest Torah scholar would recognize His teachings as fitting well inside the pharasaic umbrella of the day. I was even taught that by a Conservative rabbi.

As One who never sinned, He was the most Torah observant Orthodox Jew who ever lived.

Randy777 · Jan 20, 2018

Shempster said:
Our church would throw him out. Right after he turns over the tables with the coffee and sermon dvd's.

I dont think He would need to do that with you. "My sheep hear my voice"

Randy777 · Jan 20, 2018

Dave-W said:
No, he was Orthodox. Any honest Torah scholar would recognize His teachings as fitting well inside the pharasaic umbrella of the day. I was even taught that by a Conservative rabbi.

As One who never sinned, He was the most Torah observant Orthodox Jew who ever lived.

Moses gave the law Jesus gave grace and truth.
What must one do to do the work of God?
Jesus=>The work of God is to believe in the One He sent.

Randy777 · Jan 20, 2018

friend of said:
Of course not!

Exactly!
It would be a great honor to have the Son of God preach to us face to face. One that can't be earned but given by grace.

Dave-W · Jan 21, 2018

Randy777 said:
Moses gave the law Jesus gave grace and truth.
What must one do to do the work of God?
Jesus=>The work of God is to believe in the One He sent.

Paul says in Galatians that He was born "under the Law." So if He EVER in any way shape or form spoke against full and complete Torah observance, it would have been counted against Him as a sin since it is commanded to never do so. If He sinned, then he was disqualified to be our sacrifice and we are still on our way to hell.

Randy777 · Jan 21, 2018

Yet that’s not the method Jesus taught to receive eternal life He taught us to believe in him

1watchman · Feb 6, 2018

The thought in the OP is likely just a analogy to see what one thinks of the Lord Jesus in general; but I am inclined to think we should not trichotomize the Trinity, and realize as Jesus said: "the Father and I are one" (John 14). He IS IN THE CHURCH wherever the faithful testimony is found, as is the Father and His Holy Spirit. Most true Christians believe that, I feel sure!

1watchman · Feb 6, 2018

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1watchman · Feb 6, 2018

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Johnny4ChristJesus · Feb 6, 2018

1watchman said:
The thought in the OP is likely just a analogy to see what one thinks of the Lord Jesus in general; but I am inclined to think we should not trichotomize the Trinity, and realize as Jesus said: "the Father and I are one" (John 14). He IS IN THE CHURCH wherever the faithful testimony is found, as is the Father and His Holy Spirit. Most true Christians believe that, I feel sure!

So what if we just say "God"? Do you think most people would stay in that church? Consider Rev 2 & 3. Jesus is chastising churches and only making promises to overcomers--as one quick example.

1watchman · Feb 9, 2018

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
So what if we just say "God"? Do you think most people would stay in that church? Consider Rev 2 & 3. Jesus is chastising churches and only making promises to overcomers--as one quick example.

We should be glad one speaks of God and seeks after Him; but the redemption truth is that "no one cometh to the Father, but by Me", as Jesus said (John 14). He is our ONLY salvation and eternal hope. In Revelation 2 & 3, I believe we find God speaking of church testimony in general, and many sects fall far short of honoring the Son and keeping His calling; and with the Lord Jesus in our heart we will soon learn "all the counsel of God" as is expected of faithful ones ---would you say?

Johnny4ChristJesus · Feb 10, 2018

1watchman said:
We should be glad one speaks of God and seeks after Him; but the redemption truth is that "no one cometh to the Father, but by Me", as Jesus said (John 14). He is our ONLY salvation and eternal hope. In Revelation 2 & 3, I believe we find God speaking of church testimony in general, and many sects fall far short of honoring the Son and keeping His calling; and with the Lord Jesus in our heart we will soon learn "all the counsel of God" as is expected of faithful ones ---would you say?

I think Jesus is chastising churches as a whole and saying that those who overcome (are found faithful, despite what others are doing) will get the rewards He is talking about. I also agree The Holy Spirit will lead us into all Truth, per Scripture, if we diligently seek God and choose to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. So many Scriptures about that.

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