Are we a micro organism of God's world?

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I have heard many explanations of the "third world" indicated by Paul. I am going to suggest this... Just as we have atoms and particles that make up our world, how about the planet and galaxies that in the same manner make up His world. On our plain, we are in a dimension with time and space within certain parameters. In the world of a microorganism, its world in time and space is different. In the universe, what would we see if the Universe "scroll" rolled up to reveal the "third" world which is a whole universe larger and we are its particles on its atom?
 

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I have heard many explanations of the "third world" indicated by Paul. I am going to suggest this... Just as we have atoms and particles that make up our world, how about the planet and galaxies that in the same manner make up His world. On our plain, we are in a dimension with time and space within certain parameters. In the world of a microorganism, its world in time and space is different. In the universe, what would we see if the Universe "scroll" rolled up to reveal the "third" world which is a whole universe larger and we are its particles on its atom?


Pauline quote on which this post relies?
 
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It is specifically named “the third heaven” by Paul in 2 Cor.12:2. There is also “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4; 1 Kings 8:27) and “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.” (Psalm 2:4)
 
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I have heard many explanations of the "third world" indicated by Paul. I am going to suggest this... Just as we have atoms and particles that make up our world, how about the planet and galaxies that in the same manner make up His world. On our plain, we are in a dimension with time and space within certain parameters. In the world of a microorganism, its world in time and space is different. In the universe, what would we see if the Universe "scroll" rolled up to reveal the "third" world which is a whole universe larger and we are its particles on its atom?

It matches the philosophy.

The idea that we are cells, for example, would explain why so many people are ignorant of God in general - how can a cell perceive the magnitude of an organ, organ system, or an individual as grand as a person?


However, I believe that is part of gnosticism that tries to compare the creature to the Most High. There is an entity (the alleged God of Forces) that claimed he was god because another principality created him - and he was the form of matter itself. He actually declared himself "god" because he was only aware of his existence (the alleged universe) as the composition of matter entirely.

Ignorant, even, of his parental principality that created it (who would, by default, be the goddess of him.)


So, having read apocrypha info on such a philosophy, I would be careful to take it beyond comparative philosophy. In the same apocrypha, God's people are from the primordial substance from the Father of Creation. We are not matter and energy alone; we are much more than the sum of our parts. But, the philosophy is certainly useful in comparing our existence to the magnificence of a deity.
 
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This is gnosticism - and is (in my opinion) absolutely correct.

Entities that try to go to the second heaven (high orbit and the rest of the cosmos) are forbidden to go there if their first estate is from Earth. But, but, but... the space missions?

Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.


There are many, many forces that prevent humans and demons, fallen, humans, archons, principalities, angels and powers from entering the estate for which they are not native. The holy archons, powers, principalities and angels have their estate as the heavens, and for demons, humans that are corrupt and spiritually incorrigible, and fallen angels - their highest possible achievable estate is earth (why do you think we have so much symbology trying to control this alleged "small blue planet on the edge of the galaxy..."

No. Earth is actually the sum of Creation. And, if these entities can get us to match the resonance of their evil - in other words, if they can get us used to being sinful creatures with no hope of real Life or a Creator Father, then they can easily use that "energy" we output to keep us psychologically bonded to their whim.

The rest of the lot will "move on/up" to the next dimensional iteration: New Jerusalem.
 
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Explain "transcends" as you see it.

The mass of an atom is determined by the number of protons and neutrons in the nucleus. The lightest element in existence is hydrogen, which has only one proton. The combined number of protons and neutrons possessed by an element is knows as its atomic mass. The average atomic mass of the elements on Earth can be found displayed in the periodic table. Unlike a proton, a neutron has no charge, but its mass is about the same as that of a proton. The mass of the proton or neutron is 1836 times bigger than that of the electron.

The size of the atoms is about 1~2 Å. Compared to the overall size of the atom, the nucleus is about the size of a raindrop in a playground. A nucleus’ volume is only 10^14 that of the atom. Empty space takes up most of the space occupied by an atom.

The illusion which we perceive as impenetrable, rock solid reality; is in reality, by far, mostly empty space. Our faith and focus on this reality, masks the true reality. Yahshua's kingdom is not of this world. This world stands between us and the spiritual reality.

Whatever we put between YHWH and ourselves, is what separates us from YHWH. The kingdom is at hand.
 
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It is specifically named “the third heaven” by Paul in 2 Cor.12:2. There is also “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4; 1 Kings 8:27) and “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.” (Psalm 2:4)


Thank you - now I can see where you are coming from, as can visitors to this thread :)
 
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This is gnosticism - and is (in my opinion) absolutely correct.

Entities that try to go to the second heaven (high orbit and the rest of the cosmos) are forbidden to go there if their first estate is from Earth. But, but, but... the space missions?

Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.


There are many, many forces that prevent humans and demons, fallen, humans, archons, principalities, angels and powers from entering the estate for which they are not native. The holy archons, powers, principalities and angels have their estate as the heavens, and for demons, humans that are corrupt and spiritually incorrigible, and fallen angels - their highest possible achievable estate is earth (why do you think we have so much symbology trying to control this alleged "small blue planet on the edge of the galaxy..."

No. Earth is actually the sum of Creation. And, if these entities can get us to match the resonance of their evil - in other words, if they can get us used to being sinful creatures with no hope of real Life or a Creator Father, then they can easily use that "energy" we output to keep us psychologically bonded to their whim.

The rest of the lot will "move on/up" to the next dimensional iteration: New Jerusalem.
That wasn't where I was going with this thread. Interesting concept but I disagree. God has declared that we can come to His place in Heaven. We maybe be the concept and incubation but we will give birth to the being that He always wanted us to be.
 
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