All Israel is saved

Soar Like and Eagle said:

And do you have a point?

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If you do not see the point, then to you there is no point. Is that because there really is no point or because to you the point is hidden?

First you harp on the "letter which kills", then you say all were already dead in Adam, then you say that God's law kills but that in Christ nobody can be killed for violating the law else Christ has lost some, and thus you unwittingly claim unbeknownst to yourself that God has nullified his law by Christ so that violating God's law no longer kills.

You, sir, are a very confused man with no real understanding, and you are locked into that lack of understanding by a pride which tells you that you do know.

You have the already dead being killed.

Buzz_B said:

If you do not see the point, then to you there is no point. Is that because there really is no point or because to you the point is hidden?

First you harp on the "letter which kills", then you say all were already dead in Adam, then you say that God's law kills but that in Christ nobody can be killed for violating the law else Christ has lost some, and thus you unwittingly claim unbeknownst to yourself that God has nullified his law by Christ so that violating God's law no longer kills.

You, sir, are a very confused man with no real understanding, and you are locked into that lack of understanding by a pride which tells you that you do know.

You have the already dead being killed.

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You are very opinionated and have no clue. You are so caught up with your bias you can see nothing else. But that is understood because you are a religious man not a spiritual man. Maybe some day God will give you some spiritual eyes to see. Meanwhile you are blind to the reality of the spiritual word.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

You are very opinionated and have no clue. You are so caught up with your bias you can see nothing else. But that is understood because you are a religious man not a spiritual man. Maybe some day God will give you some spiritual eyes to see. Meanwhile you are blind to the reality of the spiritual word.

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And because you said it you think that proves it.

Once again characteristic of your pride.

Explain the dilemmas I posed in post 741. It will be good exercise for you. It might help you.

Why waist my time you are so carnal

Soar Like and Eagle said:

Why waist my time you are so carnal

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Why waist my time you are so carnal? Is that some sort of an emergency escape clause you have adopted for yourself?

Let this carnal man give you a little help, or are you too good for that? A truly humble person can even learn from a child.

You have used that pet phrase, "the letter that kills", on us as your escape clause for not having to reason on what we say about even non-law Scripture.

Hint: Pertaining to the Law, what that really means is following that Law to the letter, as in meticulously observing its every letter without missing one. And it is not that Paul meant this is bad but that he meant we become so focused on the letter that we do not understand why we are supposed to do those things, aka we do not understand what the spirit<(the motivating reason) is behind doing those things.

You turn natural language into something mystical which the average Joe can no longer relate to.

There is a place for you to begin. The Law when properly kept does not kill. It is only Law improperly kept, misapplied and broken by failure to fully understand it, that kills. Law fulfilled by proper understanding does not kill.

What is the difference between fulfilling the Law as we are supposed to do, and nullifying the Law so that breaking it no longer means anything as your idea that we can sin with impunity in Jesus does?

Buzz_B said:

Why waist my time you are so carnal? Is that some sort of an emergency escape clause you have adopted for yourself?

Let this carnal man give you a little help, or are you too good for that? A truly humble person can even learn from a child.

You have used that pet phrase, "the letter that kills", on us as your escape clause for not having to reason on what we say about even non-law Scripture.

Hint: Pertaining to the Law, what that really means is following that Law to the letter, as in meticulously observing its every letter without missing one. And it is not that Paul meant this is bad but that he meant we become so focused on the letter that we do not understand why we are supposed to do those things, aka we do not understand what the spirit<(the motivating reason) is behind doing those things.

You turn natural language into something mystical which the average Joe can no longer relate to.

There is a place for you to begin. The Law when properly kept does not kill. It is only Law improperly kept, misapplied and broken by failure to fully understand it, that kills. Law fulfilled by proper understanding does not kill.

What is the difference between fulfilling the Law as we are supposed to do, and nullifying the Law so that breaking it no longer means anything as your idea that we can sin with impunity in Jesus does?

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Nearly fifty years ago I came out of that pathetic belief system you call truth a place where you claim you all the answers but have but only a form of Godliness but deny the power.


2 Timothy 3:5-7 King James Version (KJV)

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


So, no I am not confused I rejoice in the deep your spin. So, no there is not a thing you can say to change my thinking because I have already rejected your message and I keep rejecting your heresies of damnation and the so called god who loses to sin and Satan.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

Nearly fifty years ago I came out of that pathetic belief system you call truth a place where you claim you all the answers but have but only a form of Godliness but deny the power.


2 Timothy 3:5-7 King James Version (KJV)

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


So, no I am not confused I rejoice in the deep your spin. So, no there is not a thing you can say to change my thinking because I have already rejected your message and I keep rejecting your heresies of damnation and the so called god who loses to sin and Satan.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you have proven that it is not wise to drink and drive for you obviously placed your vehicle in reverse when you thought you were leaving. And you have had it floored in reverse ever since. Instead of getting out of Babylon you went deeper into it and its mysticism.

2 Corinthians 4:3 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost ..."

Mysteries are mysteries because they are hidden. You relish your mysteries believing that they are some extra special revealing which is not in our Bibles. But a study of the words "hid" and "hidden" reveals that these things which have been hidden have always been in plain sight right there in our Bibles. But they were hidden to those who could not see what was always there right in front of their eyes. There is no extra special connection to God as your pride makes out. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Amos 3:7 And he did reveal all concerning his purpose and it is now written down for us. Now the only prophecies are personal in nature, such as the one where Caiaphas is said to have prophesied concerning what was already in the OT Scriptures concerning Jesus' death.

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things<(“ta agene” having no noble fleshly lineage as this world {including the Judaic system} prides itself in - aka, “ignoble things”) of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Interesting indeed.

Romans 10:12 “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”

Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Colossians 3:11 “Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.”

2 Corinthians 5:16 “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”

Philippians 3:3 “For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.”

1 Corinthians 1:28 “And base things<(“ta agene” having no noble fleshly lineage as this world {including the Judaic system} prides itself in - aka, “ignoble things”) of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are”

1 Corinthians 1:29 “That no flesh should glory in his presence.”

Think about it. Jesus told us, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20

That right there should be enough to get you to listen to me when I tell you that you have misunderstood the texts you thought indicated your personal body is a temple and Christ is in you by yourself.

I have not come to you without the correct view as if to only confuse you and then leave you confused. I have come to you with the truth and correct knowledge of how it works. I am not trying to tear down an old shack with nothing to replace it for I have the genuine understanding with which to replace the old run down shack of an idea.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 ¶And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Proverbs 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 11:30 ¶The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Proverbs 13:12 ¶Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

Proverbs 15:4 ¶A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Eat or do not eat.