All Israel is saved

Buzz_B · Feb 3, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Timing? How do spiritual things have time? Does God have a clock? Its a parable

Matthew 13 :13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.' 16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

Yes, that is why you do not understand.

And that is enough of the non-sense. I can post without answering your foolishness you know.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 3, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Yes, that is why you do not understand.

And that is enough of the non-sense. I can post without answering your foolishness you know.

What is nonsense is every verse that does not fit your bias is nonsense. What a joke. I am the one address post not uignoring them.

Buzz_B · Feb 3, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
What is nonsense is every verse that does not fit your bias is nonsense. What a joke. I am the one address post not uignoring them.

So be it. From now on I will just let the obvious power of truth do its works of exposing the lack in what you say and will ignore letting you side-track that goal with your foolish observations by not commenting on them.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 3, 2018

Buzz_B said:
So be it. From now on I will just let the obvious power of truth do its works of exposing the lack in what you say and will ignore letting you side-track that goal with your foolish observations by not commenting on them.

Scriture is not foolish observations by not commenting . It is truth that you REJECT.

yeshuaslavejeff · Feb 3, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Yes, that is why you do not understand.

And that is enough of the non-sense. I can post without answering your foolishness you know.

(be gentle) (usually)
We don't know why some or many posters repeatedly don't make sense unless they are part of a foreign religion (or on medicine or drugs or other spirits) and post that in their posts. It is very difficult on an anonymous forum and often it is necessary to just let it slide (ignore?) because there can be no resolution, as far as I know.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 3, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Your posts have become nothing more than unintelligent rants.

Is it wrong to praise God for having been God to all eternity? I do not not think so.

Why do you feel compelled to turn an expression of praise into evidence for your false doctrine? We often inject such praises when we speak and they are true in and of themselves not needing to be unreasonably connected as you are doing.

I worry you are beyond reaching with sound reasoning.

You claim Ps 90 is nonsense and spin it as not truth but ONLY praise. It is no wonder you see things hidden as follishness becaue it is hidden from your bias religious eyes. But according to God's Word it is God's glory to hide things.

Pro. 25: 2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter

It was placed here in Psalms purposely to hide God's glory from the non spiritual believer those who place their bias understanding over the Word of God though new revelation. The new wine is better than the old. Yesterdays manna stinks.

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

How is this but praise. It is a truth proclaimed on wht God is doing before it was done before Adam, before Adam's children, before the fall look at the time frame it is surely before all the above mentioned.

Buzz_B · Feb 3, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
(be gentle) (usually)
We don't know why some or many posters repeatedly don't make sense unless they are part of a foreign religion (or on medicine or drugs or other spirits) and post that in their posts. It is very difficult on an anonymous forum and often it is necessary to just let it slide (ignore?) because there can be no resolution, as far as I know.

Yes, you are right.

One of the main differences between his thinking and mine lays in the fact that he sees a new heaven and earth which is yet divided up in national boundaries as is this world. I do not.

I see that Christ is Israel and that the ultimate goal is "all in all". The united kingdom of God grows to consume all nationalities (not segregated nations which will no longer be). And that kingdom will cover that entire earth so that all is Israel. People will no longer segregate according to their flesh where they presently begin getting puffed up one over another.

Christ is Israel and all things in Christ that God may be all in all.

Buzz_B · Feb 3, 2018

”Soars Like And Eagle” said:
I am glad you see it that way and at a certain level this is true.

THE RICH MAND AND LAZARUS: Luke chapter 16

Mark 4:34 says, "But without a parable Jesus spoke not unto them but when they were alone He expounded all things to His disciples." This scripture proves that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is only a parable. Contrary to traditional teaching, the rich man does not represent the wicked; neither does Lazarus the beggar represent the righteous. Psalm 37:25 says, "I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." This parable is not a type of the righteous begging bread from the wicked.

The rich man in this parable represents Judah who had "five brethren." Judah retained the throne of Israel, which is typified by the purple the rich man was clothed in. Judah retained the priesthood which is typified by the fine linen that he was clothed in. And Judah retained Jerusalem, the prosperous headquarters of Israel, which "fared sumptuously."

Lazarus represents the rest of Israel who lived outside the gates of Jerusalem. They had lost the kingship. They had lost the priesthood, and they depended on Judah for both natural and spiritual government. Because of their rebellion against the Lord they had become spiritually starved and sick. The dogs represented the Gentiles, who shared the crumbs from the Master's table and were more of a comfort to the ten other tribes of Israel than Judah was.

You did good here above but for three points. One is that Lazarus is clearly shown to suffer from the Rich Man's neglect and not “because of their rebellion against the Lord”, as you said. Two is that Jesus tells us they neglected even those of God's children who were right there with them:

Matthew 23:3-4 “All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”

So in this parable it is more than just those Israelite children who were scattered abroad that were being mistreated. It was their complete failure to responsibly handle their stewardship that is being highlighted. And the cause is their self-righteous pride and love of self so that they enriched themselves both materially and in prominence at the expense of others.

And three is that the dogs are the Samaritans, who though being wild twigs brought in by the repatriation when the ten tribes were conquered, showed more love for the natural Israelite people than did their spiritual leaders. This correlates to the parable of the good Samaritan.

And of course we must get the foundation correct if we would be able to build correctly upon it.

Buzz_B · Feb 3, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
You claim Ps 90 is nonsense and spin it as not truth but ONLY praise. It is no wonder you see things hidden as follishness becaue it is hidden from your bias religious eyes. But according to God's Word it is God's glory to hide things.

Pro. 25: 2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter

It was placed here in Psalms purposely to hide God's glory from the non spiritual believer those who place their bias understanding over the Word of God though new revelation. The new wine is better than the old. Yesterdays manna stinks.

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

How is this but praise. It is a truth proclaimed on wht God is doing before it was done before Adam, before Adam's children, before the fall look at the time frame it is surely before all the above mentioned.

Psalms 90:1 <<A Prayer of Moses the man of God.>> “Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all [of our] generations.”

As I have shown above, we can correctly insert [“of our”] before the word, “generations.” - “our”, means God's newly created nation of Israel and particularly its Zion here on earth.

Moses was speaking of the nation which was God's creation, the same as Isaiah recognized:

Isaiah 43:1 “But now thus saith Jehovah that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.”

The idea is that God dwells with them and they with him as his created nation of his people:

Deuteronomy 32:6 To Jehovah do ye act thus, O people foolish and not wise? Is not He thy father -- thy possessor? He made thee, and doth establish thee.
7 Remember days of old -- Understand the years of many generations -- Ask thy father, and he doth tell thee; Thine elders, and they say to thee:
8 In the Most High causing nations to inherit, In His separating sons of Adam -- He setteth up the borders of the peoples By the number of the sons of Israel.
9 For Jehovah's portion is His people, Jacob is the line of His inheritance.

Matthew 1:17 All the generations, therefore, from Abraham unto David are fourteen generations, and from David unto the Babylonian removal fourteen generations, and from the Babylonian removal unto the Christ, fourteen generations.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Psalms 90:1 <<A Prayer of Moses the man of God.>> “Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all [of our] generations.”

As I have shown above, we can correctly insert [“of our”] before the word, “generations.” - “our”, means God's newly created nation of Israel and particularly its Zion here on earth.

Moses was speaking of the nation which was God's creation, the same as Isaiah recognized:

Isaiah 43:1 “But now thus saith Jehovah that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.”

The idea is that God dwells with them and they with him as his created nation of his people:

Deuteronomy 32:6 To Jehovah do ye act thus, O people foolish and not wise? Is not He thy father -- thy possessor? He made thee, and doth establish thee.
7 Remember days of old -- Understand the years of many generations -- Ask thy father, and he doth tell thee; Thine elders, and they say to thee:
8 In the Most High causing nations to inherit, In His separating sons of Adam -- He setteth up the borders of the peoples By the number of the sons of Israel.
9 For Jehovah's portion is His people, Jacob is the line of His inheritance.

Matthew 1:17 All the generations, therefore, from Abraham unto David are fourteen generations, and from David unto the Babylonian removal fourteen generations, and from the Babylonian removal unto the Christ, fourteen generations.

I see Israel as a foreshow of Spiritual Israel. Point being the time frame far exceeds any fall of Adam that God has a master plan being established over His creation by turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

This is a prophetic utterance of God’s plan for a sinned filled world, a world of both good and evil and his prophetic utterance of his plan of ultimate restoration of all things. And yes this is surely a praise worthy utterance

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
I see Israel as a foreshow of Spiritual Israel. Point being the time frame far exceeds any fall of Adam that God has a master plan being established over His creation by turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

This is a prophetic utterance of God’s plan for a sinned filled world, a world of both good and evil and his prophetic utterance of his plan of ultimate restoration of all things. And yes this is surely a praise worthy utterance

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Still, what I showed you in my post 729 rules out Ps. 90:1-3 applying to anything other than the, quote,"separating sons of Adam." Deut. 32:8 - the generations of that physical nation.

No reasonable person can deny that.

Surely you must know that the statement, "You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men", references the many times God allowed that and other nations to be destroyed but then to a remnant of them said, "return you children of men."

Else you really are writing your own Bible and would be no worse off if you simply threw the Bible away. At least if you threw it away you would not be able to deceive yourself later that it was the Bible that lied to you. Then when things do not work out as you expect you would have to admit it was you that lied to yourself with your over active imagination. And you would be free of having confused others about the Bible.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Still, what I showed you in my post 729 rules out Ps. 90:1-3 applying to anything other than the, quote,"separating sons of Adam." Deut. 32:8 - the generations of that physical nation.

No reasonable person can deny that.

Surely you must know that the statement, "You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men", references the many times God allowed that and other nations to be destroyed but then to a remnant of them said, "return you children of men."

Else you really are writing your own Bible and would be no worse off if you simply threw the Bible away.

No.. if anyone is rewriting there own Bible it is you. Remnant? Nations? Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting,

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

It declares "all generations not a nations. I do not alter God's Word to some preconceived dogma that is what you are attempting . This never metioned nations. Never mentions remnant. No foundation for either.

This verse is far to powerful for you to handle as a religious non spiritual man.

Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
No.. if anyone is rewriting there own Bible it is you. Remnant? Nations? Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting,

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

It declares "all generations not a nations. I do not alter God's Word to some preconceived dogma that is what you are attempting . This never metioned nations. Never mentions remnant. No foundation for either.

This verse is far to powerful for you to handle as a religious non spiritual man.

Your conceit is far too powerful, obviously even for you.

But at least this thread has succeeded to show you up quite clearly for who you are.

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Your conceit is far too powerful, obviously even for you.

But at least this thread has succeeded to show you up quite clearly for who you are.

Its not conceit its is scripture which you claim to believe in.

I know who I am and I do not need to twist scripture like you to prove my point. This verse totally is in align with what I have always said and you hate it. It totally destroys your bias belief you have been falsely taught. It shows us totally the sovereignty of God over your belief in the power of Adam sin and the power of Satan to deceive to a point where even God is helpless to correct the sins of Adam and the power of Satan. God is not so weak and powerless as you proclaim from your mountain top of religious HOGWASH.

Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Its not conceit its is scripture which you claim to believe in.

I know who I am and I do not need to twist scripture like you to prove my point. This verse totally is in align with what I have always said and you hate it. It totally destroys your bias belief you have been falsely taught. It shows us totally the sovereignty of God over your belief in the power of Adam sin and the power of Satan to deceive to a point where even God is helpless to correct the sins of Adam and the power of Satan. God is not so weak and powerless as you proclaim from your mountain top of religious HOGWASH.

Prove it.

Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Prove what? it was already proven. Are you saying God did not create all living things and is not soverign over all living things to include Eve the mother of all living things?

Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Prove what? it was already proven. Are you saying God did not create all living things and is not soverign over all living things to include Eve the mother of all living things?

I am saying you have been claiming in this thread that man existed in a form before Adam and that God sent them here to fall and to learn.

But the Scripture plainly says: "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural ...." 1 Corinthians 15:46

Natural was first. What part of first do you not understand?

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Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Buzz_B said:
I am saying you have been claiming in this thread that man existed in a form before Adam and that God sent them here to fall and to learn.

But the Scripture plainly says: "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural ...." 1 Corinthians 15:46

Natural was first. What part of first do you not understand?

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Yes the natural is first is the natural realm. But God is a spirit and Adam was created from the image and likeness of God. So Adam was first created as a spirit. Unless you are trying to claim God is natural? What came first? God created Adam or God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and made him a living soul?

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Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Yes the natural is first is the natural realm. But God is a spirit and Adam was created from the image and likeness of God. So Adam was first created as a spirit. Unless you are trying to claim God is natural? What came first? God created Adam or God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and made him a living soul?

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Dah! Paul laughs at you:

"For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God...." 1 Corinthians 11:7

Soar Like and Eagle · Feb 4, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Dah! Paul laughs at you:

"For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God...." 1 Corinthians 11:7

And do you have a point?

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