Second Bible Read Thread

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Do people think that Ham done something untowards Noah due to his nakeness?

I have seen this discussed before.

These Chapter shows God knows our hearts and will never leave us.

I figured that had to be it. Otherwise it just sounds like Ham was trying to actually do the right thing and get someone to cover Noah before more people saw him in such an embarrassing state. I think Goodbook was on to something last time; that what Ham was doing in notifying his brothers Shem and Japheth, was that he was trying to get other people to come watch it like a spectacle to either take advantage of or at least gawk at and make fun of. Or that what Scripture was saying with Noah's "nakedness" was that he was actually with his wife in, shall we say, a more intimate situation and here Ham was checking it all out. Looking in on his parents like some kind of weird voyeurism. Ick ....
 
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Not really much to say here for me personally, but I welcome anyone else's commentary.

Just one passage in chapter 5 that stands out to me. :)

(I am copying from the site's American Standard Version when you see these verses in blue. But I personally am reading from the Modern English Version.)

17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: Therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty.

18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up; He woundeth, and his hands make whole.

19 He will deliver thee in six troubles; Yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.
 
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21 and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: Jehovah gave, and Jehovah hath taken away; blessed be the name of Jehovah
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

I'm amazed at Job's character. He had every right to question God, to get angry because he prayed for all his children every morning offering sacrifices to God just in case they sinned during their "feasts" aka parties, but he didn't, such a show of trust, I cannot even comprehend. Honestly, if that happened to me, I'd go crazy for awhile, maybe even bitter at God for some time. The level of trust that Job has towards God just blows me away, he knew his place in the universe, that nothing really belongs to us, all is God's property.

9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still hold fast thine integrity? renounce God, and die.
10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Here Job acknowledges the sovereignty of God. This is a difficult concept to grasp, because I think most of us would agree that we see God as someone who only gives good things, but here we see that God is actually allowing evil to happen to someone who is without fault. But this is applicable for us today too, do we accept the circumstances that come our way when it doesn't make sense sometimes, like why God allows a good person to get cancer and a bad person to get rich and squander wealth? I think sometimes we forget that we were made from dust, and the life we have is only possible through the breath of God, in fact, we are of no value without Him. But sadly, sometimes we get so caught up in ourselves, striving to be "somebody" when no amount of striving can change the fact that despite our nothingness, God loves us and our purpose lies with Him.

25 For the thing which I fear cometh upon me, And that which I am afraid of cometh unto me

Honestly, I feel uncomfortable reading this part, because here I can greatly relate to Job and I'm sure most of us too. The problem of fear and worry. What's my greatest fear? I know for certain, God will test me, am I ready to respond as Job did? Will I keep my integrity intact? Will I remain faithful to God? Or will I roll my fist and curse Him? Wooo...it's really something to think about. Maybe that's why so many times, God says to not fear or be afraid, and not to be anxious. Interestingly, the devil was aware of Job's fears, it was like he knew what would break Job.

17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: Therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty.

Looks like one of Job's friend is failing at comforting Job, sounds more like he is saying Job did something wrong. Shouldn't he know by now what kind of person Job is? Isn't it frustrating sometimes to have friends who misjudge you? Can't they see that he lost everything? What great evil did he do to deserve such correction? le sigh...

Sorry this was long, good reading, made me think a lot...maybe a bit too much though...lol
 
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21 and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: Jehovah gave, and Jehovah hath taken away; blessed be the name of Jehovah
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

I'm amazed at Job's character. He had every right to question God, to get angry because he prayed for all his children every morning offering sacrifices to God just in case they sinned during their "feasts" aka parties, but he didn't, such a show of trust, I cannot even comprehend. Honestly, if that happened to me, I'd go crazy for awhile, maybe even bitter at God for some time. The level of trust that Job has towards God just blows me away, he knew his place in the universe, that nothing really belongs to us, all is God's property.

9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still hold fast thine integrity? renounce God, and die.
10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Here Job acknowledges the sovereignty of God. This is a difficult concept to grasp, because I think most of us would agree that we see God as someone who only gives good things, but here we see that God is actually allowing evil to happen to someone who is without fault. But this is applicable for us today too, do we accept the circumstances that come our way when it doesn't make sense sometimes, like why God allows a good person to get cancer and a bad person to get rich and squander wealth? I think sometimes we forget that we were made from dust, and the life we have is only possible through the breath of God, in fact, we are of no value without Him. But sadly, sometimes we get so caught up in ourselves, striving to be "somebody" when no amount of striving can change the fact that despite our nothingness, God loves us and our purpose lies with Him.

25 For the thing which I fear cometh upon me, And that which I am afraid of cometh unto me

Honestly, I feel uncomfortable reading this part, because here I can greatly relate to Job and I'm sure most of us too. The problem of fear and worry. What's my greatest fear? I know for certain, God will test me, am I ready to respond as Job did? Will I keep my integrity intact? Will I remain faithful to God? Or will I roll my fist and curse Him? Wooo...it's really something to think about. Maybe that's why so many times, God says to not fear or be afraid, and not to be anxious. Interestingly, the devil was aware of Job's fears, it was like he knew what would break Job.

17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: Therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty.

Looks like one of Job's friend is failing at comforting Job, sounds more like he is saying Job did something wrong. Shouldn't he know by now what kind of person Job is? Isn't it frustrating sometimes to have friends who misjudge you? Can't they see that he lost everything? What great evil did he do to deserve such correction? le sigh...

Sorry this was long, good reading, made me think a lot...maybe a bit too much though...lol

Thank you for taking so much time to bring these observations to us, Miss Abigail. I appreciate that. :)

Although, might I disagree with you to an extent on your last paragraph. It does appear that at least at first when they arrived Job's friends Eliphaz and the other two did come only to comfort Job. In his silent distress they even sat with him for seven days with dust upon their heads, I believe it says in chapter 2. That's dedication in my eyes. And it wasn't until Job (at the least) appeared to question "why me God?" in chapter 3, even seemingly accusing God of being the One to cause this evil and distress to Job, that Eliphaz at last spoke in chapters 4 and 5 to ... well, not give such good advice and comfort to Job, unwisely implying that Job must have sinned badly enough somehow to incur punishment this great from God. I believe they both had spoken wrongly by this point, unfortunately.
 
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Thank you for taking so much time to bring these observations to us, Miss Abigail. I appreciate that. :)

Although, might I disagree with you to an extent on your last paragraph. It does appear that at least at first when they arrived Job's friends Eliphaz and the other two did come only to comfort Job. In his silent distress they even sat with him for seven days with dust upon their heads, I believe it says in chapter 2. That's dedication in my eyes. And it wasn't until Job (at the least) appeared to question "why me God?" in chapter 3, even seemingly accusing God of being the One to cause this evil and distress to Job, that Eliphaz at last spoke in chapters 4 and 5 to ... well, not give such good advice and comfort to Job, unwisely implying that Job must have sinned badly enough somehow to incur punishment this great from God. I believe they both had spoken wrongly by this point, unfortunately.

true... i agree, they did their best to comfort him especially at the beginning
 
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Day 5: Feb 1

Job 6 through 9

Just so you know ahead of time, it looks like from here we will be going through all of the book of Job uninterrupted, before going back to Genesis, again since this is the Sproul ministry's theoretical chronology of how everything in the Bible occurred. :)
 
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:wave: Just wanted to say that I've been reading all the Bible chapters and posts in this thread. I just haven't had much to say recently. Whenever I give SK's post telling which chapters to read a "like", it means I've read the chapters.
 
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Job 7: 9 and 10

9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away, So he that goeth down to Sheol shall come up no more.

10 He shall return no more to his house, Neither shall his place know him any more.

This and so many other passages, especially in the OT books of poetry and reflection like Psalms and Proverbs, so easily reminding us that we do not live forever. We are not eternal like God. We only live as long as we draw breath.




I do not think I have noticed this before, really, at the beginning of chapter 9.
Then Job answered and said, 2 Of a truth I know that it is so: But how can man be just with God?

3 If he be pleased to contend with him, He cannot answer him one of a thousand.

4 [He is] wise in heart, and mighty in strength: Who hath hardened himself against him, and prospered?- 5 [Him] that removeth the mountains, and they know it not, When he overturneth them in his anger; 6 That shaketh the earth out of its place, And the pillars thereof tremble; 7 That commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, And sealeth up the stars; 8 That alone stretcheth out the heavens, And treadeth upon the waves of the sea; 9 That maketh the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south; 10 That doeth great things past finding out, Yea, marvellous things without number.

11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: He passeth on also, but I perceive him not.

12 Behold, he seizeth [the prey], who can hinder him? Who will say unto him, What doest thou?

It seems Job is saying here that, if God is God, how can Job be righteous before Him? How can anyone be righteous? If God is Almighty, then no matter what manner of calamity has justly or unjustly befallen Job, what case can he plea before God? Ultimately we are in God's hands alone ... so how fortunate we are, then, that God is good and merciful, much more so than Job and Bildad appear to give Him credit for in these chapters.
 
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I DOnt feel like anything sticks out with me with Job

Well, it may be because we're probably all just a microcosm of Job's situation, honestly. In a more general sense what's happened to Job is nothing new to us. We all suffer to in our mortal lives as he does, more or less (just probably not literally losing everything in one day with nothing left but one verily unhelpful wife like Job did), whether when we're seemingly innocent or as a natural consequence of the evil we have done. That's an inevitable fact of being a part of mankind.
 
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Job 7: 9 and 10

9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away, So he that goeth down to Sheol shall come up no more.

10 He shall return no more to his house, Neither shall his place know him any more.

This and so many other passages, especially in the OT books of poetry and reflection like Psalms and Proverbs, so easily reminding us that we do not live forever. We are not eternal like God. We only live as long as we draw breath.




I do not think I have noticed this before, really, at the beginning of chapter 9.
Then Job answered and said, 2 Of a truth I know that it is so: But how can man be just with God?

3 If he be pleased to contend with him, He cannot answer him one of a thousand.

4 [He is] wise in heart, and mighty in strength: Who hath hardened himself against him, and prospered?- 5 [Him] that removeth the mountains, and they know it not, When he overturneth them in his anger; 6 That shaketh the earth out of its place, And the pillars thereof tremble; 7 That commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, And sealeth up the stars; 8 That alone stretcheth out the heavens, And treadeth upon the waves of the sea; 9 That maketh the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south; 10 That doeth great things past finding out, Yea, marvellous things without number.

11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: He passeth on also, but I perceive him not.

12 Behold, he seizeth [the prey], who can hinder him? Who will say unto him, What doest thou?

It seems Job is saying here that, if God is God, how can Job be righteous before Him? How can anyone be righteous? If God is Almighty, then no matter what manner of calamity has justly or unjustly befallen Job, what case can he plea before God? Ultimately we are in God's hands alone ... so how fortunate we are, then, that God is good and merciful, much more so than Job and Bildad appear to give Him credit for in these chapters.

Yeah, chapter 9, made me feel this sense of peace knowing that God is a big God. Funny, how sometimes in life we all get so caught up in our little worries, things we think matter, but there is God, who knows all things, keeps billions of galaxies in check, stars being born in space every second as we speak, and yet sometimes we find it hard to trust His judgments...

Job 14-16, lol in 16, Job kinda had it with his friends failed comforting techniques...

16 Then Job answered and said, 2 I have heard many such things: Miserable comforters are ye all.

3 Shall vain words have an end? Or what provoketh thee that thou answerest?

4 I also could speak as ye do; If your soul were in my soul's stead, I could join words together against you, And shake my head at you.

5 [But] I would strengthen you with my mouth, And the solace of my lips would assuage [your grief].

6 Though I speak, my grief is not assuaged; And though I forbear, what am I eased?

7 But now he hath made me weary: Thou hast made desolate all my company.

These parts remind me of some of my patients and their illnesses, sometimes, I wonder within myself why a person could have so much to bear, like one who has cancer and whose son died of cancer, or the mother who had 4 boys who all died with the same liver disease. Honestly, it makes me wonder why God permits these types of things to happen to certain people, and there are times, I honestly, am like Job's friends who end up not really knowing how to truly comfort a person. Funny, because many times we can resort to thinking that the person is suffering because of sin or maybe a curse, but can we really judge so? God is also the God of the lame, blind and the deaf...it takes a lot of wisdom to truly comfort those who are suffering, sometimes it's best to listen and pray, and if you have nothing nice to say or not sure of something, maybe best not to say it.
Much musings...
 
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I enjoyed how job 21 reflects on the wicked prosper. I think a lot of us ask this question. But at the end we all reach the same place a grave and what have they got then.


“For then you will delight yourself in the Almighty and lift your Face up to God”

I think we all need to do this just in the moments lift our face to God

“But he is unchangeable”

I think sometimes we try to change God ourself to always be on our side / give us what’s we want. but he can’t he is who he says he is.
 
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Job and his friends just sort of keep going back and forth, honestly. I agree with each of their thoughts in some ways, I think, and disagree with others.

Day 11: Feb 7

Job 29 through 31
 
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