What kind of man is God...?

he-man · Feb 2, 2018

Ronald said:
2 Tim. 3:16 is foundational, but it does not negate that the Holy Spirit is the one behind the scriptures that is doing the teaching, correcting, training. The natural man does not receive the scripture and understand when it is taught to him - he rejects it, misinterpreted it, and distorts it. You must be born again, spiritually transformed to receive and discern scripture, otherwise you go off on a tangent like Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel or the Jesus Seminar types.

Sorry, I don't know Joe or Charles, but I agree The natural man does not receive the scripture and understand when it is taught to him by inspiration of God.
Acts of the Apostles 1:4-8 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
If Jesus were God and the Holy Spirit why would he say, "wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended. John 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me and that I am in you.
John 14:26-28 But the intercessor, spirits, whom the Father will send in My name, they will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
LSJ: intercessor, Ph.2.520; Middle Liddell: .in NTest., ὁ Παράκλητος, the Intercessor; who was that intercessor? "mine angel"
King James Bible: Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Hebrews 1:14 Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ὃ πέμψει ὁ πατὴρ ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου, ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα καὶ ὑπομνήσει ὑμᾶς πάντα ἃ εἶπον ὑμῖν.
So beware how you interpret scripture or you may not find a spear: 2 Samuel 23:7 But the man who touches them Must be armed with iron and the shaft of a spear, And they shall be utterly burned with fire in their place."

Ronald · Feb 3, 2018

he-man said:
Sorry, I don't know Joe or Charles, but I agree The natural man does not receive the scripture and understand when it is taught to him by inspiration of God.
Acts of the Apostles 1:4-8 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
If Jesus were God and the Holy Spirit why would he say, "wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended. John 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me and that I am in you.
John 14:26-28 But the intercessor, spirits, whom the Father will send in My name, they will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
LSJ: intercessor, Ph.2.520; Middle Liddell: .in NTest., ὁ Παράκλητος, the Intercessor; who was that intercessor? "mine angel"
King James Bible: Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Hebrews 1:14 Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ὃ πέμψει ὁ πατὴρ ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου, ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα καὶ ὑπομνήσει ὑμᾶς πάντα ἃ εἶπον ὑμῖν.
So beware how you interpret scripture or you may not find a spear: 2 Samuel 23:7 But the man who touches them Must be armed with iron and the shaft of a spear, And they shall be utterly burned with fire in their place."

You see, that is where you err, in these obscure translations you choose. You used NASB for one scripture, why not trust it with all?
John 14:26 is translated as "Helper, the HOLY SPIRIT ... He will teach you all things ..." not an angel or angels.
The Holy Spirit lives in the believers temple as He does with all. That's omnipresent. Angels aren't omnipresent. They come down one at a time to specific individuals. The attributes of the Holy Spirit equals all that God is in every way. "My Father will send you another Helper ..." This distinguishes the three. Leading us into all truth requires knowing us completely and knowing ALL, that's omniscient. He bears witness to Christ and glorifies Him, is wise, gives gifts, baptizes us, makes promises, loves us, fellowships with us, sanctifies us, justifies us, convicts us or sin and edifies us. He teaches, guides, hears, speaks and is all powerful, meaning omnipotent. Again, these are attributes that God alone has, angels witness to Christ, glorify Him, have power but are not all knowing, all powerful and everywhere at once. " ... The Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him ..."
The Holy Spirit gives us truth and dwells in those who KNOW HIM! It is not just power that we receive as in some force. All scripture is God breathed and this is how it was transferred to through the prophets moved by the Holy Spirit. They uttered words while being filled with the Holy Spirit and God spoke through them.

he-man · Feb 3, 2018

Ronald said:
You see, that is where you err, in these obscure translations you choose. You used NASB for one scripture, why not trust it with all?
John 14:26 is translated as "Helper, the HOLY SPIRIT ... He will teach you all things ..." not an angel or angels.
The Holy Spirit lives in the believers temple as He does with all. That's omnipresent. Angels aren't omnipresent. They come down one at a time to specific individuals. The attributes of the Holy Spirit equals all that God is in every way. "My Father will send you another Helper ..." This distinguishes the three. Leading us into all truth requires knowing us completely and knowing ALL, that's omniscient. He bears witness to Christ and glorifies Him, is wise, gives gifts, baptizes us, makes promises, loves us, fellowships with us, sanctifies us, justifies us, convicts us or sin and edifies us. He teaches, guides, hears, speaks and is all powerful, meaning omnipotent. Again, these are attributes that God alone has, angels witness to Christ, glorify Him, have power but are not all knowing, all powerful and everywhere at once. " ... The Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him ..."
The Holy Spirit gives us truth and dwells in those who KNOW HIM! It is not just power that we receive as in some force. All scripture is God breathed and this is how it was transferred to through the prophets moved by the Holy Spirit. They uttered words while being filled with the Holy Spirit and God spoke through them.

Christ was not also God he was not a spirit until after he ascended: Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Matthew 5:18-20 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (20) For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Acts of the Apostles 10:42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
If Jesus were God and the Holy Spirit why would he say, "wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended. John 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me and that I am in you.
John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
LSJ: intercessor, Ph.2.520; Middle Liddell: .in NTest., ὁ Παράκλητος, the Intercessor; who was that intercessor? Hebrews 1:7; Psalm 104:4; And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. King James Bible: Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I Jesus( the offspring of David as man.) - The Maker, the Redeemer, and Judge of all men. Have sent mine angel - An especial messenger from heaven. 16. mine angel—for Jesus is Lord of the angels. [Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary]
Hebrews 1:14 Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ὃ πέμψει ὁ πατὴρ ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου, ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα καὶ ὑπομνήσει ὑμᾶς πάντα ἃ εἶπον ὑμῖν. Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Ronald · Feb 4, 2018

he-man said:
Christ was not also God he was not a spirit until after he ascended: Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Matthew 5:18-20 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (20) For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Acts of the Apostles 10:42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
If Jesus were God and the Holy Spirit why would he say, "wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended. John 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me and that I am in you.
John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
LSJ: intercessor, Ph.2.520; Middle Liddell: .in NTest., ὁ Παράκλητος, the Intercessor; who was that intercessor? Hebrews 1:7; Psalm 104:4; And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. King James Bible: Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I Jesus( the offspring of David as man.) - The Maker, the Redeemer, and Judge of all men. Have sent mine angel - An especial messenger from heaven. 16. mine angel—for Jesus is Lord of the angels. [Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary]
Hebrews 1:14 Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ὃ πέμψει ὁ πατὴρ ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου, ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα καὶ ὑπομνήσει ὑμᾶς πάντα ἃ εἶπον ὑμῖν. Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

"See my hands and feet ... touch me" This was His resurrected body, a multi-dimensional body, able to ascend to heaven, appear and disappear in physical form.
He had to ascend first, go away, before the Holy Spirit was sent. This was God's order of things. I've wondered about that myself.
Pentecost was the planned day for the Holy Spirit to dwell in the Christian heart. It is the Spirit of God AND also referred to as the Spirit of Christ = ONE. So the Spirit of Christ needed to depart and return to the Father first. I suppose He did this so as not to confuse anyone. But to this very day, many are.

he-man · Feb 4, 2018

Ronald said:
"See my hands and feet ... touch me" This was His resurrected body, a multi-dimensional body, able to ascend to heaven, appear and disappear in physical form.
He had to ascend first, go away, before the Holy Spirit was sent. This was God's order of things. I've wondered about that myself.
Pentecost was the planned day for the Holy Spirit to dwell in the Christian heart. It is the Spirit of God AND also referred to as the Spirit of Christ = ONE. So the Spirit of Christ needed to depart and return to the Father first. I suppose He did this so as not to confuse anyone. But to this very day, many are.

He did not ascend until 40 days later. Besides the fact, if Jesus were God and the Holy Spirit why would he say, "wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended? Are you saying John is a liar? for I am not yet ascended to my Father; nor shall I immediately go to him; I shall make some stay upon earth; as he did, forty days before his ascension [Gill's Exposition] He had not returned to earth to abide permanently with His disciples in the presence of the Paraclete (comp. John 14:18), for He had not yet ascended to the Father. [Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers] therefore, as yet, no glorified spirit who has again come down from heaven whither he had ascended [Meyer's NT Commentary] The best texts omit the pronoun and read the Father. See on John 12:26. This expression, emphasizing the relation of God to humanity rather than to Christ himself, is explained by what follows - “my Father and your Father.” I am not going immediately to heaven - you will have several opportunities of seeing me again: but go and tell my disciples, that I am, by and by, to ascend to my Father and God, who is your Father and God also. [ADAM CLARKE]
John 7:39 But this he said concerning the Spirit, which they that believed on him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified. 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,... Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. John 17:25-26 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 John 4:14 And *we* have seen, and testify, that the Father has sent the Son as Saviour of the world.

Ronald · Feb 4, 2018

he-man said:
"wait for the gift my Father promised...you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" for he had not yet ascended?

True

he-man said:
John 7:39 But this he said concerning the Spirit, which they that believed on him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified. 1

True.
You answered your own question. Jesus was not yet glorified. Once glorified, given all authority, then the Spirit would be sent. The Father gave all authority to Jesus when He was glorified (once again as He was before) and so then He gave it to Christians. As I said, some mysteries of why and how God does things are not fully known. God could have dispersed the Holy Spirit before that time, I just think (IMHO), if Jesus had the Holy Spirit and man also had the The Holy Spirit at the same time prior to His ascension and glorification, a conflict would present itself. People would believe that Jesus was no different then they were, being able to heal, resurrect bodies, prophesy, etc. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, teaches all things that come from Christ.
And to confuse you more, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. Besides, Christians could not receive the Holy Spirit until they were cleansed by the blood of Christ or before His resurrection and ascension. God does not dwell in an unclean temple as He now does within ours.

Romans 8:9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

" And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ -- this one is not His;"

You see, the Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ is one in the same.
Those who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit:
1. are In Christ
2. have the Holy Spirit
3. have the Father, as the Son has the Father in Him.

In conclusion, we have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!
God dwells in our temple. Got it?

he-man · Feb 4, 2018

Ronald said:
True. You answered your own question. Jesus was not yet glorified. Once glorified, given all authority, then the Spirit would be sent. The Father gave all authority to Jesus when He was glorified
Romans 8:9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
" And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ -- this one is not His;"You see, the Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ is one in the same. Those who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit:1. are In Christ 2. have the Holy Spirit 3. have the Father, as the Son has the Father in Him. In conclusion, we have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! God dwells in our temple. Got it?

Not quite, for he also said: for I am not yet ascended to my Father; nor shall I immediately go to him; I shall make some stay upon earth; as he did, forty days before his ascension. Are you saying John is a liar? [Gill's Exposition] He had not returned to earth to abide permanently with His disciples in the presence of the Paraclete (comp. John 14:18), for He had not yet ascended to the Father. [Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers] therefore, as yet, no glorified spirit who has again come down from heaven whither he had ascended [Meyer's NT Commentary] The best texts omit the pronoun and read the Father. See on John 12:26. This expression, emphasizing the relation of God to humanity rather than to Christ himself, is explained by what follows - “my Father and your Father.” I am not going immediately to heaven - you will have several opportunities of seeing me again: but go and tell my disciples, that I am, by and by, to ascend to my Father and God, who is your Father and God also. [ADAM CLARKE]
John 7:39 But this he said concerning the Spirit, which they that believed on him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.
1 Timothy 1:17 he has shown his wisdom in the works of creation, providence, and grace; He is the everlasting King, or the King of ages, or of worlds; He is Maker of the worlds, and the Governor of them throughout all ages and generations; He only has immortality, and is the incorruptible God, and who is invisible, whose shape has never been seen, nor his voice heard: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ,.... This may be understood of God the Father, who is the only wise God [GILL]; gratitude to God, naturally arose from the subject then under his pen and eye. God has most wondrously manifested his mercy, in this beginning of the Gospel, by saving me, and making me a pattern to all them that shall hereafter believe on Christ. He is βασιλευς των αιωνων, the king of eternities; the eternity a parte ante,[CLARKE; the King, eternal — literally, “King of the (eternal) ages.” The Septuagint translates Exo_15:18, “The Lord Jehovah shall reign for ages and beyond them.” Psa_145:13, Margin, “Thy kingdom is an ever lasting kingdom,” literally, “a kingdom of all ages.” The “life everlasting” (1Ti_1:16) suggested here “the King eternal,” or everlasting. It answers also to “for ever and ever” at the close, literally, “to the ages of the ages” (the countless succession of ages made up of ages).[BROWN] John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 John 4:14 And *we* have seen, and testify, that the Father has sent the Son as Saviour of the world.

Ronald · Feb 4, 2018

he-man said:
Not quite, for he also said: for I am not yet ascended to my Father; nor shall I immediately go to him; I shall make some stay upon earth; as he did, forty days before his ascension. Are you saying John is a liar? [Gill's Exposition] He had not returned to earth to abide permanently with His disciples in the presence of the Paraclete (comp. John 14:18), for He had not yet ascended to the Father. [Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers] therefore, as yet, no glorified spirit who has again come down from heaven whither he had ascended [Meyer's NT Commentary] The best texts omit the pronoun and read the Father. See on John 12:26. This expression, emphasizing the relation of God to humanity rather than to Christ himself, is explained by what follows - “my Father and your Father.” I am not going immediately to heaven - you will have several opportunities of seeing me again: but go and tell my disciples, that I am, by and by, to ascend to my Father and God, who is your Father and God also. [ADAM CLARKE]
John 7:39 But this he said concerning the Spirit, which they that believed on him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.
1 Timothy 1:17 he has shown his wisdom in the works of creation, providence, and grace; He is the everlasting King, or the King of ages, or of worlds; He is Maker of the worlds, and the Governor of them throughout all ages and generations; He only has immortality, and is the incorruptible God, and who is invisible, whose shape has never been seen, nor his voice heard: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ,.... This may be understood of God the Father, who is the only wise God [GILL]; gratitude to God, naturally arose from the subject then under his pen and eye. God has most wondrously manifested his mercy, in this beginning of the Gospel, by saving me, and making me a pattern to all them that shall hereafter believe on Christ. He is βασιλευς των αιωνων, the king of eternities; the eternity a parte ante,[CLARKE; the King, eternal — literally, “King of the (eternal) ages.” The Septuagint translates Exo_15:18, “The Lord Jehovah shall reign for ages and beyond them.” Psa_145:13, Margin, “Thy kingdom is an ever lasting kingdom,” literally, “a kingdom of all ages.” The “life everlasting” (1Ti_1:16) suggested here “the King eternal,” or everlasting. It answers also to “for ever and ever” at the close, literally, “to the ages of the ages” (the countless succession of ages made up of ages).[BROWN] John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 John 4:14 And *we* have seen, and testify, that the Father has sent the Son as Saviour of the world.

All scripture harmonizes with the Trinity, unless you present something !ist obscure.

he-man · Feb 4, 2018

Ronald said:
All scripture harmonizes with the Trinity, unless you present something !ist obscure.

How is that?

Ronald · Feb 5, 2018

he-man said:
How is that? View attachment 219757 View attachment 219758

I already told you how that is.
Jesus is the Exact radiance and glory of the Father. The fullness of Grace and truth.
A man or angel could not be exactly like God.
Anywhere in scripture that references the Holy Spirit, expresses also the exact expression, essence and attributes of God.
I told you, no man or angel can become sin, then remove the sins of the world UNLESS THEY ARE GOD.
THIS REQUIRES OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE AND OMNIPRESENCE.
ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH COULD NOT BE GIVEN TO A MERE MAN OR ANGEL, ONLY TO THE SON OF GOD, WHO IS GOD, WHO IS OF THE SAME ESSENCE, ATTRIBUTES, SPIRIT. NO ONE ELSE COULD CONTAIN OR CONTROL THIS ETERNAL TASK.
Man begets man. Animal begets animal, both of the same kind. God is Spirit, Who emptied His Spirit into a Human. Jesus is fully God and fully man, the God/Man. HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. This phrase not only refers to Jesus humanity ( because He was conceived by the Spirit and a virgin). but also His divine nature as well.
All scripture also shows His subordinate submission to His Father, while He served and suffered in obedience as a man to fulfill the requirements of the Law (which btw a mere man could not do). His being born without sin and pure nature throughout His life, proves He was not just a man like any before Him.
These are concepts you can't get your mind around. There is a spiritual disability separating you from these truths. Just ask to be healed ... it takes humility, not Greek translations or even intellegence, it requires spiritual discernment, it requires a belief in the Spirit of Christ, Who is the Spirit of God. I have you that scripture as well. You seem to just want to present certain scriptures but ignore others.

he-man · Feb 5, 2018

Ronald said:
I already told you how that is.
Jesus is the Exact radiance and glory of the Father. The fullness of Grace and truth.
A man or angel could not be exactly like God.
Anywhere in scripture that references the Holy Spirit, expresses also the exact expression, essence and attributes of God.
I told you, no man or angel can become sin, then remove the sins of the world UNLESS THEY ARE GOD.
THIS REQUIRES OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE AND OMNIPRESENCE.
ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH COULD NOT BE GIVEN TO A MERE MAN OR ANGEL, ONLY TO THE SON OF GOD, WHO IS GOD, WHO IS OF THE SAME ESSENCE, ATTRIBUTES, SPIRIT. NO ONE ELSE COULD CONTAIN OR CONTROL THIS ETERNAL TASK.
Man begets man. Animal begets animal, both of the same kind. God is Spirit, Who emptied His Spirit into a Human. Jesus is fully God and fully man, the God/Man. HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. .

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son—the only begotten (monogenes)—hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him; [YLT)
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, G3439 monogenes; who is on the bosom of the Father—he did declare. Yet Christ declares that he has been seen so he cannot be God. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Okay so read Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (yachid); same as G3439 monogenes [the] only-begotten; only-single child[ LSJ] [Middle Liddell]; Herodotus 2.79.3 only born; Plato Critias 113d only begotten daughter; Aquila's Greek yachid = only; Justinian 1 (527-563) the only begotten son; [codex-sinaiticus.net]

Ronald · Feb 5, 2018

he-man said:
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son—the only begotten (monogenes)—hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him; [YLT)
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, G3439 monogenes; who is on the bosom of the Father—he did declare. Yet Christ declares that he has been seen so he cannot be God. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Okay so read Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (yachid); same as G3439 monogenes [the] only-begotten; only-single child[ LSJ] [Middle Liddell]; Herodotus 2.79.3 only born; Plato Critias 113d only begotten daughter; Aquila's Greek yachid = only; Justinian 1 (527-563) the only begotten son; [codex-sinaiticus.net]

You ignored the divine attributes of God, which all three have.
You bring up a lame response that no one has seen God, yet Jesus was seen. Jesus said, "If you've seen me you've seen the Father" when the disciples asked to see the Father.
What did He mean by that? Not His physical body, but His invisible attributes. God is Spirit, He was referring to His Spiritual essence.
The real you is invisible: your mind, will and emotions, what makes you the person you are INSIDE, your soul/spirit that goes with you when your physical body dies.
He is the monogenes. The Holy Spirit (God), created a perfect sperm that impregnated the virgin Mary. That was the only time God ever did that in human history. He creates everyone else, but not by that way. He created Adam from the dust (elements) of the earth and breathed life into him. Then He used a rib from Adam and made Eve. Then after that every baby was devilered to a couple by a stork - everyone knows that.
The End of this conversation.

he-man · Feb 5, 2018

he-man said:
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son—the only begotten (monogenes)—hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him; [YLT)
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, G3439 monogenes; who is on the bosom of the Father—he did declare. Yet Christ declares that he has been seen so he cannot be God. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Okay so read Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (yachid); same as G3439 monogenes [the] only-begotten; only-single child[ LSJ] [Middle Liddell]; Herodotus 2.79.3 only born; Plato Critias 113d only begotten daughter; Aquila's Greek yachid = only; Justinian 1 (527-563) the only begotten son; [codex-sinaiticus.net]

Ronald said:
You ignored the divine attributes of God, which all three have.
You bring up a lame response that no one has seen God, yet Jesus was seen. Jesus said, "If you've seen me you've seen the Father" when the disciples asked to see the Father.
What did He mean by that? Not His physical body, but His invisible attributes. God is Spirit, He was referring to His Spiritual essence.
The real you is invisible: your mind, will and emotions, what makes you the person you are INSIDE, your soul/spirit that goes with you when your physical body dies.
He is the monogenes. The Holy Spirit (God), created a perfect sperm that impregnated the virgin Mary. That was the only time God ever did that in human history. He creates everyone else, but not by that way. He created Adam from the dust (elements) of the earth and breathed life into him. Then He used a rib from Adam and made Eve. Then after that every baby was devilered to a couple by a stork - everyone knows that!
And now, I'm afraid the stork made a vemistake, he delivered me to the wrong right gameaddress, I need to go now, bye.

no man has seen God at any time therefore Christ cannot be God John 6:38; John 6:40;
if you don't believe Jesus then you are in the wrong boat and a cast away.

Neogaia777 · Feb 6, 2018

Mind telling me some of the conclusions you (@he-man, @Ronald) have reached thus far, please...?

God Bless!

he-man · Feb 7, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Mind telling me some of the conclusions you (@he-man, @Ronald) have reached thus far, please...?
God Bless!

That God is not in any way the Son.God said "besides me there is none else" and Christ, himself said "no man has seen God".

Ronald · Feb 7, 2018

he-man said:
That God is not in any way the Son.God said "besides me there is none else" and Christ, himself said "no man has seen God".

Jesus is the God/Man

he-man · Feb 7, 2018

Ronald said:
Jesus is the God/Man

Funnyman, no one has ever seen God and if he had he would die because of God's brightness. Exodus 33:20; Judges 13:22; 1 John 4:20

Neogaia777 · Feb 7, 2018

he-man said:
That God is not in any way the Son.God said "besides me there is none else" and Christ, himself said "no man has seen God".

How do you explain YHWH...? YHWH has the Son at the helm, so to speak, with the Father and their Spirit, the Holy Spirit...

Or are we gonna deny that the Holy Spirit is not God either, when scripture makes ir pretty clear that he is, he is "The Spirit of the Father" (and Christ's Spirit) They are each one, yes, the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, as it relates to their relationship of a oneness of a triune being, But...?

Is the Holy Spirit God...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Feb 7, 2018

he-man said:
Funnyman, no one has ever seen God and if he had he would die because of God's brightness. Exodus 33:20; Judges 13:22; 1 John 4:20

No one has seen the Father's true form, or heard his true voice, the closest one can come to that, is through Christ we hear Christ's voice as God (in our heads) Christ is the likeness and representation of God, in the flesh, or of matter or material... Any form God could take on to interact with us, would be Christ...

God Bless!

he-man · Feb 7, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
How do you explain YHWH...? YHWH has the Son at the helm, so to speak, with the Father and their Spirit, the Holy Spirit... Or are we gonna deny that the Holy Spirit is not God either, when scripture makes ir pretty clear that he is, he is "The Spirit of the Father" (and Christ's Spirit) They are each one, yes, the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, as it relates to their relationship of a oneness of a triune being, But...? Is the Holy Spirit God...? God Bless!

The Holy Spirit is the power of God. So let us ask ourselves: I thought you said Christ was the Holy Spirit: If he were the Holy Spirit why would it say Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. He was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit, He said God was Greater than him, and that he could do nothing of himself, and said only God is good, he prayed that the cup would pass but it was not his will but the Fathers and submitted to God, and he obeyed, God Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Said God was the head of Christ, He cried My, God, My God why hast thou forsaken me, he is finally subject to God and will relinquish all power and authority to Him so that God may be all in all, he did not know the day and hour; he was tempted in all ways like his brothers, He increased in wisdom but God already had all wisdom, but he was led by the spirit to be tempted in the wilderness but James 1:3 says God cannot be tempted; Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luke 1:35 The theory of a trinity destroys the monothesticial system.

What kind of man is God...?

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