President Trump Delivers Great SOTU Speech

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I wasn't aware that sexual sins were considered irrelevant if the person who committed the sins was in public office or not. And as far as lying while being the president, well, Trump has been caught and exposed for his dishonesty quite a few times himself and he's only been in office for little over a year.

That's a new one for me as well. Cheating on your wife is cheating on your wife, and here in the Catholic Church, we have a very low opinion of adultery.
 
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Exactly! All this preaching about holiness, avoiding sin, and railing against and condemning other people, including liberal politicians, for their alleged sins... and here they are politically supporting a man who is the epitome of most of the sins condemned in the bible - adulterer, sexually immoral, hateful, jealous, throws fits of rage, selfish ambition, envy, lying, and repeatedly uses profanity. It's no wonder I can't possibly take their preaching or their moral convictions seriously anymore.

Yes. The Republican party claimed to be the party of family values. They can no longer hold that claim.
 
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Yes. The Republican party claimed to be the party of family values. They can no longer hold that claim.

Yeah, now the democrat party has moved into the de facto position of Party of Family Values... :D

It was only a matter of time... :D
 
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Yeah, now the democrat party has moved into the de facto position of Party of Family Values... :D

It was only a matter of time... :D

Which reminds me, Republicans used to stand for personal accountability.

Not so much anymore.
 
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Coming to think of it, Republicans also used to stand for fiscal conservatism. Umpteen golf trips later that myth has been exploded. I've never seen an administration so addicted to taxpayer dollars as this one. It's like they think they're God's own anointed. Not that the religious/political right hasn't planted that notion in their heads.
 
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I would say I'm trying to figure out what so agitates foreigners about a fairly benign US leader....but I already know.
It’s him getting away with things other presidents would be crucified for.
 
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Which reminds me, Republicans used to stand for personal accountability.

Not so much anymore.

If Democrats didn't have so many core supporters ambivalent about potentially being the party of family and public morality, they could make a great deal politically with that.

The reality is that conservative evangelicals have the highest divorce rates in the US of any religious group. They are not the group standing up for "family values", and they fight hard against certain families having their dignity recognized (such as single mothers or gays), betraying the notion that they really stand for families at all. Yet the Religious Left, such as it is, is rather anemic in organization, and on the whole, too "nice" to engage in a tit-for-tat style of politics. They are more interested in advancing relatively non-controversial issues.
 
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Exactly! All this preaching about holiness, avoiding sin, and railing against and condemning other people, including liberal politicians, for their alleged sins... and here they are politically supporting a man who is the epitome of most of the sins condemned in the bible - adulterer, sexually immoral, hateful, jealous, throws fits of rage, selfish ambition, envy, lying, and repeatedly uses profanity. It's no wonder I can't possibly take their preaching or their moral convictions seriously anymore.

Who was it that said "May you live in interesting times"? By golly, here we are.

I am asking you to truly open up your mind, all the way. Just open it up and listen. Can you?

In modern America--stop there and breathe and listen--in what way are Christians asking to impose their faith on others, really? Does that "preaching" really impede on your day, week, year all that much? Do we really expect you to avoid sin? How much does this impact your life?

On the other hand---

What about political correctness?

Would you care to know how much it has been implied or even how many times I have been outwardly called a racist, bigot, homophobe and the like simply for the people I vote for and for the policies I support?

Do not tell me about sin and holiness and public living in 2018. There is a group who wants to make their faith very public. It is not Christians.
 
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If Democrats didn't have so many core supporters ambivalent about potentially being the party of family and public morality, they could make a great deal politically with that.

The reality is that conservative evangelicals have the highest divorce rates in the US of any religious group. They are not the group standing up for "family values", and they fight hard against certain families having their dignity recognized (such as single mothers or gays), betraying the notion that they really stand for families at all. Yet the Religious Left, such as it is, is rather anemic in organization, and on the whole, too "nice" to engage in a tit-for-tat style of politics. They are more interested in advancing relatively non-controversial issues.

And if it does grow some teeth it ends up being the same socjus nonsense that the left needs to grow out of.
 
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Who was it that said "May you live in interesting times"? By golly, here we are.

I am asking you to truly open up your mind, all the way. Just open it up and listen. Can you?

In modern America--stop there and breathe and listen--in what way are Christians asking to impose their faith on others, really? Does that "preaching" really impede on your day, week, year all that much? Do we really expect you to avoid sin? How much does this impact your life?

Attacks on planned parenthood, trans military ban, lgbt pushback - if you aren't expecting us to avoid sin, then why is your man (the 'Christian' candidate!) trying to legislate sin away?

Do not tell me about sin and holiness and public living in 2018. There is a group who wants to make their faith very public. It is not Christians.

But that claim is belied by Christians like you gushing over trump. We can have neither ideally.
 
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