Revelation 20:4-6I agree. I think this is another good answer.
So when does the resurrection of those in Christ occur that they may receive this authority?
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Revelation 20:4-6I agree. I think this is another good answer.
So when does the resurrection of those in Christ occur that they may receive this authority?
In order to prove this, you will have to show that 1 Corinthians 15:25 has nothing to do with psalm 110:1.
As it stands, psalm 110:1 states that Jesus will sit at the right hand of the Father until all his enemies are made a footstool. Peter explains psalm 110:1 in acts 2:33-36 by stating that psalm 110:1 is about the ascension of Christ to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father.
So based on psalm 110:1 and Acts 2:33-36, we know that Christ IS IN HEAVEN, at the father's right hand, UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool.
What is going on in this verse and what happens when Jesus comes? When Jesus comes he gives the believer who endures to the end authority to rule nations with an iron rod, just as he had received this authority.
There is nothing wrong with eagerly searching the scriptures to see if they are true. We all have the right to put each other to the test to see if what we speak is true.
Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. As a result, many of them believed, along with quite a few prominent Greek women and men.
That is what Psalms 2 is about with the "rod of iron".
Is this the 2nd coming of Christ?
You keep reading into Acts 2 a doctrine of men that is not there:
Acts 2:29-30
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
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The idea is God's promise to David that He would raise up Christ to sit on DAVID'S throne. David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE. And that's why in Matthew 25 Jesus showed this:
Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV
That is what Psalms 2 is about with the "rod of iron". And even Psalms 110 shows Jesus reigning right in the 'midst' of His enemies, which has never... happened yet to this day.
So all you're trying to do is make up support for the doctrine of man you hold to which actually doesn't exist anywhere in God's Holy Writ. And the more you try to create support by misapplying Scripture, the easier it gets to show how you err.
You quoted post #220. No where in post #220 did I mentioned acts 2:29-30 or talk about the throne of David.
I did however talk about acts 2:33-36 in regards to you stating that 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place after Jesus returns.
So let’s look at this again:
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
Acts 2:33-35
So we see in acts 2:33-35, that Jesus ascended into heaven, to the fathers right hand, UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool.
However, you stated 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place when Jesus is on earth.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1 Corinthians 15:25
You have created a glaring contradiction:
So which is it, is Jesus in heaven or earth until the resurrection (death being the last enemy defeated once and for all)?
?----And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them
Usually these two parts are ignored a lot for some reason.
What should we do with this part, and where should it logically fit?----But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
I think what you might be failing to grasp, when Christ returns to the earth, the fact there will still be those alive on the earth at the time who are still His enemies, one then can't take sitting on the right hand of God to only be meaning while He is in heaven. What about the remnant Christ slays per Revelation 19? Weren't all of these still physically alive when Christ left heaven? And aren't these some of His enemies?
Would this be the same thrones the disciples were promised in the regeneration?
Matthew 19:28
28And Jesus said to them, ‘Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit — ye also — upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel
If so, then we need to know:
1.) what is the regeneration and when does it occur?
The only other reference I could find to the greek word regeneration was titus 3:5 He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit,
The greek word for regeneration means properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
So based on the meaning of the regeneration, it appears it is about being born again in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17-19
17so that if any one [is] in Christ — [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things. 18And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, 19how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2.) when did Jesus sit on the throne
Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
3.) when did the disciples judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Acts 2:36-41
Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and to your children and to all who are far off, to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.” With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
Acts 3:14
You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.
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So are the thrones literal or are they positions of authority?
Here is the problems amils run into
they believe in 2 resurrections: 1 spiritual (being born again) and 1 literal (when Christ returns)
However, if the amil also believes the mark of the beast and antichrist are future they run into a problem: the first resurrection in revelation 20 happens after the mark of the beast. If the first resurrection is spiritual (being born again) how can it be after the mark of the beast?
However, to give the amil some credit, where does it say, besides revelation, that there is 2 literal physical resurrections?
So the marriage of the lamb with his bride takes place on earth before the white rider appears and before the resurrection?
There is apparently two thrones in view here. Currently Jesus is set down with His Father in His throne. This is not the same as this part, which is obviously meaning future still----To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne.
The following proves it is future.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Unless someone wants to claim this event has already happened, the text above is rather clear. It says----then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. When? That's answered in the first part----When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him
John 5, for one says there are.
Thess 4, for another, says there are. To try and somewhat prove this, let's consider the latter first.
Who would be rising first out of these two groups mentioned in John 5:29,
That's your opinion, but an unsubstantiated opinion. And if your belief regarding the thousand years is based on an unsubstantiated opinion, it's really not worth much, is it?Revelation 20:4-6 will be the fulfillment of Revelation 5:10
Revelation 5:10 (KJV)
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we SHALL reign ON THE EARTH.
Kind of. I can't use Revelation 20 to prove his reign is from heaven, just as you can't use that chapter to prove it will be on earth.Where does it instead say the reign will be in heaven? Don't you basically have the same problem?
Revelation 20:4-6 will be the fulfillment of Revelation 5:10
Revelation 5:10 (KJV)
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we SHALL reign ON THE EARTH.