If Amillennialism is true, prove it per Revelation 19.

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In order to prove this, you will have to show that 1 Corinthians 15:25 has nothing to do with psalm 110:1.

As it stands, psalm 110:1 states that Jesus will sit at the right hand of the Father until all his enemies are made a footstool. Peter explains psalm 110:1 in acts 2:33-36 by stating that psalm 110:1 is about the ascension of Christ to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father.

So based on psalm 110:1 and Acts 2:33-36, we know that Christ IS IN HEAVEN, at the father's right hand, UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool.

You keep reading into Acts 2 a doctrine of men that is not there:

Acts 2:29-30
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

KJV

The idea is God's promise to David that He would raise up Christ to sit on DAVID'S throne. David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE. And that's why in Matthew 25 Jesus showed this:

Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:


32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:


33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV


That is what Psalms 2 is about with the "rod of iron". And even Psalms 110 shows Jesus reigning right in the 'midst' of His enemies, which has never... happened yet to this day.

So all you're trying to do is make up support for the doctrine of man you hold to which actually doesn't exist anywhere in God's Holy Writ. And the more you try to create support by misapplying Scripture, the easier it gets to show how you err.
 
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What is going on in this verse and what happens when Jesus comes? When Jesus comes he gives the believer who endures to the end authority to rule nations with an iron rod, just as he had received this authority.

And that's because only when He returns is when that "rod of iron" is for. Even here in Rev.19 it is showing the timing that "rod of iron" is for, i.e., at His return:

Rev 19:14-15
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

KJV

The Psalms 2 timing is linked to that time of Christ's wrath upon the nations at His 2nd coming, even as Psalms 110 also shows.
 
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There is nothing wrong with eagerly searching the scriptures to see if they are true. We all have the right to put each other to the test to see if what we speak is true.


Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. As a result, many of them believed, along with quite a few prominent Greek women and men.

What you've been found doing is just the oppostie... of what the Bereans did. Paul's description about them didn't include trying to change obvious timeline events like your false doctrine has you doing.
 
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That is what Psalms 2 is about with the "rod of iron".

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

The Son destroys the flawed pottery with the rod of iron.

He does not correct them like a schoolmaster.

He now owns the title deed to this sin-cursed world, because He paid for it in blood at Calvary.

When the sinless heel referred to in Genesis 3:15 touches this planet it will cause the greatest earthquake in the history of the world.
It will begin a chain reaction that will destroy the planet and bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth that Peter was looking for in 2 Peter 3:10-13.


Rev_6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev_8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev_11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev_16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.


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Is this the 2nd coming of Christ?

Let's examine some of the text.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


What should we do with this part, and where should it logically fit?----And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them

What should we do with this part, and where should it logically fit?----But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

Usually these two parts are ignored a lot for some reason.

You would think the former is referring to an event that occurs only one time and at a specific time.

Then as to the latter, who are the rest of the dead meaning here, and why do they remain dead during the thousand years? If the thousand years are meaning the here and now, and that it symbolizes the past 2000 years, and the fact people have been dying everyday since the beginning of time, meaning after the fall of course, what point is John trying to make about the rest of the dead not living again until after the thousand years have expired?
 
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You keep reading into Acts 2 a doctrine of men that is not there:

Acts 2:29-30
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

KJV

The idea is God's promise to David that He would raise up Christ to sit on DAVID'S throne. David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE. And that's why in Matthew 25 Jesus showed this:

Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:


32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:


33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV


That is what Psalms 2 is about with the "rod of iron". And even Psalms 110 shows Jesus reigning right in the 'midst' of His enemies, which has never... happened yet to this day.

So all you're trying to do is make up support for the doctrine of man you hold to which actually doesn't exist anywhere in God's Holy Writ. And the more you try to create support by misapplying Scripture, the easier it gets to show how you err.


You quoted post #220. No where in post #220 did I mentioned acts 2:29-30 or talk about the throne of David.

I did however talk about acts 2:33-36 in regards to you stating that 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place after Jesus returns.

So let’s look at this again:

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
Acts 2:33-35


So we see in acts 2:33-35, that Jesus ascended into heaven, to the fathers right hand, UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool.

However, you stated 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place when Jesus is on earth.

For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1 Corinthians 15:25


You have created a glaring contradiction:

So which is it, is Jesus in heaven or earth until the resurrection (death being the last enemy defeated once and for all)?
 
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You quoted post #220. No where in post #220 did I mentioned acts 2:29-30 or talk about the throne of David.

I did however talk about acts 2:33-36 in regards to you stating that 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place after Jesus returns.

So let’s look at this again:

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
Acts 2:33-35


So we see in acts 2:33-35, that Jesus ascended into heaven, to the fathers right hand, UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool.

However, you stated 1 Corinthians 15:25 takes place when Jesus is on earth.

For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1 Corinthians 15:25


You have created a glaring contradiction:

So which is it, is Jesus in heaven or earth until the resurrection (death being the last enemy defeated once and for all)?


I think what you might be failing to grasp, when Christ returns to the earth, the fact there will still be those alive on the earth at the time who are still His enemies, one then can't take sitting on the right hand of God to only be meaning while He is in heaven. What about the remnant Christ slays per Revelation 19? Weren't all of these still physically alive when Christ left heaven? And aren't these some of His enemies?
 
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?----And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them

Would this be the same thrones the disciples were promised in the regeneration?

Matthew 19:28
28And Jesus said to them, ‘Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit — ye also — upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

If so, then we need to know:

1.) what is the regeneration and when does it occur?
The only other reference I could find to the greek word regeneration was titus 3:5 He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit,

The greek word for regeneration means properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.

So based on the meaning of the regeneration, it appears it is about being born again in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
17so that if any one [is] in Christ — [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things. 18And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, 19how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,

2.) when did Jesus sit on the throne


Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

3.) when did the disciples judge the 12 tribes of Israel.


Acts 2:36-41
Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and to your children and to all who are far off, to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.” With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

Acts 3:14
You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.
____________________________________________________________________________

So are the thrones literal or are they positions of authority?

Usually these two parts are ignored a lot for some reason.
What should we do with this part, and where should it logically fit?----But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished


Here is the problems amils run into
they believe in 2 resurrections: 1 spiritual (being born again) and 1 literal (when Christ returns)

However, if the amil also believes the mark of the beast and antichrist are future they run into a problem: the first resurrection in revelation 20 happens after the mark of the beast. If the first resurrection is spiritual (being born again) how can it be after the mark of the beast?

However, to give the amil some credit, where does it say, besides revelation, that there is 2 literal physical resurrections?
 
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I think what you might be failing to grasp, when Christ returns to the earth, the fact there will still be those alive on the earth at the time who are still His enemies, one then can't take sitting on the right hand of God to only be meaning while He is in heaven. What about the remnant Christ slays per Revelation 19? Weren't all of these still physically alive when Christ left heaven? And aren't these some of His enemies?

So the marriage of the lamb with his bride takes place on earth before the white rider appears and before the resurrection?
 
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Would this be the same thrones the disciples were promised in the regeneration?

Matthew 19:28
28And Jesus said to them, ‘Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit — ye also — upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

If so, then we need to know:

1.) what is the regeneration and when does it occur?
The only other reference I could find to the greek word regeneration was titus 3:5 He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit,

The greek word for regeneration means properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.

So based on the meaning of the regeneration, it appears it is about being born again in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
17so that if any one [is] in Christ — [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things. 18And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation, 19how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,

2.) when did Jesus sit on the throne


Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

3.) when did the disciples judge the 12 tribes of Israel.


Acts 2:36-41
Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and to your children and to all who are far off, to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.” With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

Acts 3:14
You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.
____________________________________________________________________________

So are the thrones literal or are they positions of authority?

I notice you are a thinking person. I like that in a person.

As to the thrones, I'm not sure one way or the other. Maybe literal thrones, maybe not. But even so, that doesn't mean these twelve thrones have to apply to the here and now, assuming not meaning literal thrones.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

There is apparently two thrones in view here. Currently Jesus is set down with His Father in His throne. This is not the same as this part, which is obviously meaning future still----To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne.

The following proves it is future.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Unless someone wants to claim this event has already happened, the text above is rather clear. It says----then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. When? That's answered in the first part----When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This too involves sitting in the throne of His glory. And we already saw the timing of this per Matthew 25:31. The same timing has to apply here as well.



Here is the problems amils run into
they believe in 2 resurrections: 1 spiritual (being born again) and 1 literal (when Christ returns)

However, if the amil also believes the mark of the beast and antichrist are future they run into a problem: the first resurrection in revelation 20 happens after the mark of the beast. If the first resurrection is spiritual (being born again) how can it be after the mark of the beast?

However, to give the amil some credit, where does it say, besides revelation, that there is 2 literal physical resurrections?


John 5, for one says there are. 1 Thess 4, for another, says there are. To try and somewhat prove this, let's consider the latter first.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This clearly says the dead in Christ shall rise first.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Who would be rising first out of these two groups mentioned in John 5:29, they that have done good, or they that have done evil? Keeping in mind that the dead in Christ first. In a simultaneous resurrection there would be no such thing as someone rising first. They would all rise at the same time. This at least proves two resurrections are in view in John 5:29. And if we use Revelation 20 as a template, who seems more likely to rise in the first resurrection? They that have done good, or they that have done evil? Who seems more likely to rise in the resurrection after the thousand years, where it involves folks getting cast into the lake of fire? They that have done good, or they that have done evil?
 
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So the marriage of the lamb with his bride takes place on earth before the white rider appears and before the resurrection?

The marriage of the Lamb appears to be taking place as He is descending to the earth. According to 1 Thessalonians 4, those who are alive and remain, are caught up and meet Him in the air. I would think the marriage of the Lamb would involve those who are alive and remain. But if this marriage already took place in heaven before Jesus leaves heaven, how do those who are alive and remain have part in a marriage already in the past when they too are gathered? So I'm thinking, though I of course could be wrong, the marriage happens on the descent to the earth, IOW in the air where they all meet Christ once He has physically left heaven. I'm not dogmatic about that, yet I can't think of anything else ATM that might work, especially since I'm not Pretrib.
 
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There is apparently two thrones in view here. Currently Jesus is set down with His Father in His throne. This is not the same as this part, which is obviously meaning future still----To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne.

While I think this is a good point, I hold to the trinitarian view that Jesus and the Father are one. The Father’s throne is Jesus’ throne. So by Jesus sitting on the Father’s throne, he is sitting on his throne.

The following proves it is future.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Unless someone wants to claim this event has already happened, the text above is rather clear. It says----then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. When? That's answered in the first part----When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him

I’ll attempt (notice attempt, I could wrong) to make a case for the present/already occurred

`And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory;
Matthew 25:31


When Jesus comes in his glory, then he will sit on the throne

When did Jesus come in his glory?
I would say the death, resurrection, and ascension is when he came in his glory:

Was it not behoving the Christ these things to suffer, and to enter into his glory?'
Luke 24:26

and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
1 Timothy 3:16

and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
Hebrews 2:9
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And when Jesus ascended to enter / come in his glory he sat down on the throne:

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:3,8

21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Revelation 3:21

John 5, for one says there are.

I see 2 as well, but one appears to be about being born again and the other about the last day.

Are there any OT scriptures that talk about 2 different literal resurrections for the righteous?

Thess 4, for another, says there are. To try and somewhat prove this, let's consider the latter first.

Would the 1000 year gap go in between the dead in Christ and those who go up in the air to meet them?

Who would be rising first out of these two groups mentioned in John 5:29,

According to matthew 25 the good and bad are gathered at the same time
 
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Revelation 20:4-6 will be the fulfillment of Revelation 5:10

Revelation 5:10 (KJV)
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we SHALL reign ON THE EARTH.
That's your opinion, but an unsubstantiated opinion. And if your belief regarding the thousand years is based on an unsubstantiated opinion, it's really not worth much, is it?
 
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Where does it instead say the reign will be in heaven? Don't you basically have the same problem?
Kind of. I can't use Revelation 20 to prove his reign is from heaven, just as you can't use that chapter to prove it will be on earth.

However, the combination of other verses prove that I'm right and you're wrong. ;) We know that he currently reigns from heaven, and that his reign ends when death is destroyed and we are resurrected, and that he stays in heaven until the end of his reign, and that we are resurrected at the end of the thousand years (the last day). So if we put all that together we can see that his thousand year reign is now.

So for my deduction to be true, the following have to be provable by scripture:
  1. He currently reigns from heaven
  2. He reigns until we are resurrected
  3. He remains in heaven until the end of the thousand years
  4. We are resurrected at the end of the thousand years
And of course, all of these are provable by scripture.
 
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Revelation 20:4-6 will be the fulfillment of Revelation 5:10

Revelation 5:10 (KJV)
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we SHALL reign ON THE EARTH.

Yes, 100% true. We shall reign on the earth, the earth will be first purified, purified by the fire, btw, the everlasting Spirt of God is a devouring fire, but know that this FIRE is invisible for God is invisible, this wonderful event will be a conquer, and it through a strong battle, (Hallelujaaah!) and it will be through the Word of God. AS YOU KNOW, there is not word more powerful than the REVEALED Word of God, since the beginning. Since Genesis 1.
until Revelation 22

Rev. 2:v.25-29
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And
he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give POWER over the nations: (Hallelujaaah!
27 And
he shall rule them with a ROD of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


The question is: Who is worthy to enter in the kingdom of God which will be established now in this beginning of this first century of the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ? As JESUS said, and is written in Luke 20:35-36: - 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world... to come

O yes, it is necessary to be worthy to inherit the Kingdom of God.
 
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[QUOTE="claninja, post #220]

So Jesus, at his coming, will give THE BELIEVER WHO OVERCOMES UNTO THE END, the power over nations AND the BELIEVER WHO OVERCOMES UNTO THE END WILL RULE with an iron rod.[/QUOTE]

Your interpretation is 100% correct. Preach this message to the Churches very much, because the time has already come to fulfill all the promises of our Lord Jesus Christ. BTW, " God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" (Numbers 23:v.19)

In accord the
REVELATION which GOD gave to JESUS as is written in Rev.1:v.1: - the promise of our Lord is clear when He says:
(Rev.2: 25-29)
25 That which ye have already hold fast till I come.
(He is at door, He comes soon)
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give POWER over the nations: (Daniel said prophetically in the chap. 7:v.22 -
22 Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Hallelujaaah! (V.26-27) -
v.26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
v.27 And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


Rev. 2:v.27 And he shall rule them (the nations) with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they (the nations) be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches.

It's already midnight on God's watch

 
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