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In James... the same 1st Corinthians 13 principles are there. The “poor” man (not speaking of carnal money) is to be treated exactly as “the rich man”.

The entire book states faith without “Love” (AKA... “Works”) is Dead. Paul makes the identical statement. If I have not Love... I am no thing.

Epistles and books are to be taken in totality and Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Obedience to the Law doesn’t save...

But... Jesus does.

We Fail and are hopeless!

He... Alone... is our hope!

Our carnal righteousness is as filthy rags!

Let me ask you. How can a dead faith access the saving grace of God that is a free gift? James says faith without works is dead. Oh, and you are right. Obedience to Christ's commandments is love. For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Is loving Jesus by keeping His commandments a salvation issue? I would say yes because Paul says if any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ let him be Anathema (accursed) (1 Corinthians 16:22).

Anyways, while Jesus is our hope, and James mentions Jesus, that does not mean James had mentioned love, faith, hope in the same way that Paul did in 1 Corinthians 13. Unless of course you would like to show me where in the epistles of James such words exist in the same way. For Paul says, "And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1 Corinthians 13:13). James does not say anything like this. Please show me where James says these words. Give me exact verses numbers and show me the exact words please.

As for James 2:13:

You are taking this verse out of context. The New Living Translation clears up some of the confusion here for you.

"There will be no mercy for those who have not shown mercy to others. But if you have been merciful, God will be merciful when he judges you."
(James 2:13) (NLT).​

This fits within the context of James talking about having respect of persons among the brethren. Yet, you want it to be about something else to fit your belief.
 
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James 2:10... break one Law... you break them all. No Hope! What does that leave? Jesus... (Hope). Jesus expounded that even the inclination of sin in the heart is breaking the Law! There’s 613 Mitzvah!

This isn’t rocket science and you ain’t without sin!

Look at what all 613 Mitzvahs entail! We are condemned!

Jesus is our only hope and He is the hope of ALL... Not just “Some”.

Faith... “Faith without pure religion”... do some textual leg work for crying out loud!

James is not talking about the 613 laws given to Israel in James 2:10. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed. James 2:13 refers to this Law he is speaking of as the Law of Liberty. As far as I understand, the 613 Commands given to Israel is not the Law of Liberty. The Old Law brought death. For if you broke certain Laws within the Old Covenant you could be stoned or killed. Jesus brought a better way. In the Old Testament, you were told to hate your enemies. Yet, Jesus says now that we are to love our enemies. The Old Law requires one to keep the dietary laws. Yet, Peter was told by God to eat unclean animals. Circumcision was a part of the faith in the Old Testament. Yet, Paul says to the church (Not Israel) that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (See Galatians 5:2).
 
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Dude! The almighty is straight Zachariah 14 from the Acts 1 for the symbolic number of the “144K”.

And yes! You have to read them for yourself.

I’ll drop a hint..,

“Mount called Oliviet”

How do all these verses help prove your case with the OP?
Can you help me by explaining it for me?

As for Zechariah 14:
Here is a snippet (that shows the Lord's return) from my extensive "End Times Chronology" here at CF:

The Lord Lands on the Mount of Olives & Destroys Those Who Have Captured The Area:
(And the Mountain Splits Apart Creating A Valley):

Zechariah 14:4-5 NLT

On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.

You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah.

Isaiah 42:13a ESV, Isaiah 42:13b NAS, Isaiah 42:14a ESV, Isaiah 42:14b,
.. Isaiah 42:15a NLT, Isaiah 42:15b NIV, Isaiah 42:15c NAS

The LORD goes out like a mighty man, like a man of war he stirs up his zeal; He will utter a shout, yes, He will raise a war cry. He will prevail against His enemies. For a long time I have held my peace; I have kept still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in labor; I will destroy and devour at once.

I will level the mountains and hills... and dry up all their vegetation; I will turn rivers into islands... and dry up the ponds.

Micah 1:3-4 NIV

Look! The Lord is coming from his dwelling place; he comes down and treads the high places of the earth. The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like water rushing down a slope.​

As for the 144,000:

Revelation 14:3-5 says this,
3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

So we learn that the 144,000:

(a) Were not defiled with women.
(b) Are virgins.
(c) Follow the Lamb wherever he goes.
(d) Mouth's was found no guile.
(e) Are without fault before the throne of God.

This does not sound like what you are proposing in the OP.
 
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Hmmmmm...

You seem to be “adjusting” context to fit your view.

Just saying so does not mean anything. You have to point out in Romans 7 why the words I posted in Scripture does not mean what I say they do (by showing me the context and explaining the verses I put forth). However, I am not expecting you to do that because you have not done so within this thread yet. Personally, I do not think you can do it. For example: You make it appear like you say things as if they just pop into your head (at random) like when you said James talked about faith, love, and hope together (like Paul did in 1 Corinthians 13). When in reality, James does not mention anything about faith, hope, and love together like Paul did in 1 Corinthians 13.

You said:
I still Love you Jason0047

And I still love you; But I do not love your belief.
For it makes an excuse for sin that the Bible does not allow.
For in your OP, you said that everyone sins and if they say otherwise, they are liars.
But what about the 144,000? Scripture says no guile was found in their mouths and they were found without fault before the throne of God (Please, out of your love for God, please read Revelation 14:3-5).
 
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In light... men see their deeds.

“This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil”

Actually you are quoting the "Condemnation" in Scripture out of context.

Let's read it in context. For it says:

19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." (John 3:19-21).

Did you catch verse 20? It says everyone who does evil hates the light, and neither comes to the light (i.e. Christ) unless their (evil) deeds are reproved. Their evil deeds can be reproved if they ask Jesus to forgive them of their evil deeds. If their evil deeds are not reproved, then they are doing evil, and if they are doing evil then they hate the light and neither are they coming to the light of Christ (for forgiveness and salvation).
 
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"For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Romans 7:19

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Show me someone who claims to have overcome Willful sin in this body of death... and I will show you a willful liar.

While I am not expecting you to personally read and carefully consider each word of the Scriptures below, I am posting them for the sake of others (so that they may see that what you are pushing within your OP here is not correct or biblical).

17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more..."

Colossians 3:5-7 says,
5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them."

Ephesians 2:2-3 says,
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

1 Peter 4:1-4 says,
1 "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:"

Titus 3:3 says,
"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you..."

Romans 6:19-20 says,
19 "...now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness."

1 John 3:10 says,
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
 
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We struggle. Even Paul struggled.

Thorn?

Cultural Christianity has become semantics obsessed and void of connective truth that acknowledges real life.

The Bible? It hasn’t lost one bit of effectiveness and struggle of humanity is cover to cover.

Jesus holds our honesty to higher standards... and if we aren’t forgiven sinners then 1 John 1:8 is a lie.

1 John 1:8 is actually refuting the popular Eternal Security belief that attempts to partially deny sin by them saying that they are forgiven of all their sins past, present, and future by Jesus. People who believe in the religion called "Christian Science" believe sin is an illusion. So 1 John 1:8 is a warning to them, as well. In other words, 1 John 1:8 is saying, if we say we have no sin (in the sense that sin does not exist for us whatsoever) than we lie and do not the truth. The Eternal Security proponent is denying the existence of sin partially. They may say that sin exists for them physically, but they deny that sin exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus paid for it all by his blood. 1 John 1:8 is not saying that we must constantly admit that we are in some kind of sin otherwise there is no truth in us. If this was the case, then you have to admit that we sin 24/7 or that we sin every waking second of every day. But does one sin while they are praying? Does one sin while they are sleeping always? Does one sin if they are preaching the gospel? So there are times that men do not sin; And if it is possible for men to not sin for a set short amount of time, then it is possible for them to not sin for a longer period of time.

Also, 1 John 1:8 has to be read in light of 1 John 2:4. 1 John 2:4 says if we say we know Him and yet do not keep his commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us. 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the Law. In other words, 1 John 1:8 cannot be interpreted to mean that we must admit that we will always sin 24/7 otherwise 1 John 2:4 would be a lie.
 
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Problem:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? ” 1 Corinthians 6:9

Solution:

“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” 2 Corinthians 5:21

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"For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Romans 7:19

The context says,

Romans 7:4-5
4 "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death."

For when we WERE in the flesh. This is speaking past tense here.
Also, in verse 4, which law is Paul talking about? The Old Testament Law or the New Testament Law? Well, surely it would be the OT Law for the NT Law was not fully completed yet because the New Testament writings were not finished yet.

So Paul is recounting his experience in trying to keep the Old Law before he became a Christian. If Paul was talking about trying to keep the New Law or all law in general, he would not say,

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

For Paul says above here that we are to SERVE IN NEWNESS of spirit and not in the OLDNESS of the LETTER.
 
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"For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death." Romans 7:5 (past tense)

"For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Romans 7:19 (present tense)

For more information on the difference between past and present tense please see…
Tenses - PDF Worksheets - English Vocabulary and Grammar
 
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Problem:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? ” 1 Corinthians 6:9

Solution:

“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” 2 Corinthians 5:21

Paul is not teaching two contradictory statements.

2 Corinthians 5:21 is in view of repentance.
2 Corinthians 7:10 says, "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

Jesus defined repentance for us, so you cannot change it into something you would prefer.

Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).​

Also, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul says,

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

So we have to prove that Christ is in us unless we be reprobate.
How can we have an assurance that we know Christ?
The Bible says we can have an assurance in knowing Christ if we find that we are keeping His commandments.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." (1 John 2:3).
 
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"For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death." Romans 7:5 (past tense)

"For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Romans 7:19 (present tense)

For more information on the difference between past and present tense please see…
Tenses - PDF Worksheets - English Vocabulary and Grammar

It is true that the use of first-person present verbs in the passage (“I am” “I practice” “I want” “I hate” “I do”) sounds like Paul is talking about his present experience. But Paul sometimes uses “I” in a rhetorical sense to describe generic experience rather than his own present experience (1 Corinthians 10:30; 1 Corinthians 13:2-3, 1 Corinthians 13:11). In at least one other place, Paul uses a first-person present verb to describe his opponents’ experience (Galatians 2:18).

In Romans 7:14-24, Paul is recounting his experience as a Pharisee before he became a Christian. Paul (Saul) is describing his experience of what it is like to struggle in keeping the Old Covenant Law that did not include Jesus Christ.

If this is not the case, then Paul would be lying to us in the next chapter with Romans 8:4-8 when he says,

4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

Verse 7 says the carnal mind is at enmity against God.
Yet, back in Romans 7:14 Paul says he is carnal.
So is Paul at enmity with God? Surely not. Paul is talking from two different perspectives. In Romans 7:14-24 he is speaking from his experience as a Pharisee (in the present tense because it is his experience) and in Romans 8 he is speaking from his experience as a Christian.
 
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It is true that the use of first-person present verbs in the passage (“I am” “I practice” “I want” “I hate” “I do”) sounds like Paul is talking about his present experience. But Paul sometimes uses “I” in a rhetorical sense to describe generic experience rather than his own present experience (1 Corinthians 10:30; 1 Corinthians 13:2-3, 1 Corinthians 13:11). In at least one other place, Paul uses a first-person present verb to describe his opponents’ experience (Galatians 2:18).

In Romans 7:14-24, Paul is recounting his experience as a Pharisee before he became a Christian. Paul (Saul) is describing his experience of what it is like to struggle in keeping the Old Covenant Law that did not include Jesus Christ.

If this is not the case, then Paul would be lying to us in the next chapter with Romans 8:4-8 that says,

4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."
In other words, scripture doesn't support your claim so you change it to say what you want it to say. The word of God is absolute...
...so you cannot change it into something you would prefer.
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